Lago32

On 10/30/2023 at 1:20 PM, Fischb1 said:

So, if I understand you correctly, what you're saying is: Don't take my own money and buy what I love because it will lead to prices going up in the hobby? Doesn't it sound silly when rephrased like that?

It is invariably going to happen given what I said re more collectors and less art, its simple economics. Throw in the nostalgia/go-nuts factor and it turns it up to 11. I am just saying that that mentality and the current hobby economics have lead to the prices we see today, which many collectors consistently gripe about (ie. I am getting priced out of the hobby, etc.). Do whatever you want, I am just saying what it leads and has lead to.

On 10/30/2023 at 12:32 PM, Fischb1 said:

If I can buy what I love and make the money back by selling off other pieces that I don't love (and that have gone up in value over the years), why not? 

That's fine and I have done it too on a couple of "gotta have it" pieces. But when we do that, in other words when we let nostalgia take control and "go nuts" as you put it, often it leads to bidding to irrational unprecedented levels. And again, that is fine except it invariably leads, and has lead to, exponential price jumps in OA as opportunistic dealers and collectors that hold that type of art will see these "go nuts" results as bar-setting. This results in that OA being that much higher for the rest of us which then triggers countless threads here complaining re rising prices. Again, I have done it but I am very aware of what I contributing to when I do it so I try to be selective where/when I do it. Unfortunately for the hobby, it is happening more and more nowadays as there are more collectors chasing less art = major FOMO = more people "going nuts"

On 10/30/2023 at 11:35 AM, Fischb1 said:

If it's a piece you've loved since childhood, GO NUTS!

 

And people wonder how/why prices escalate in this hobby the way they do lol.

Seller took a 30% loss on the Byrne Avengers 191 page vs April 2022. And that is with the black backing board removed as well.

Honestly, I would be hard-pressed to find examples of artists where I don't prefer their pencil art to their inked art. In my opinion, it is a purer form of the medium. In particular, as Scott mentioned a few years back, Neal Adams' pencil work was/is sublime...and was pretty much right up until he passed. The best example is the tight finished pencils he provided for the Green Arrow back-up story in GL87. I used to own a few originals from that story and it is some of the best OA I have ever seen. Another pencils-only favourite is Byrne, just look at the great con pieces he did between 78-82, and then of course his shot-from-pencils work in Cap255 is stunning.

On 11/13/2022 at 6:21 PM, Xatari said:

This is a guy who started his new company by having people click an online button, turned a comic book company into a donut dealer, gave out the painted art rocks as collectible giveaways, and had a Kickstarter to shut down his business at NYCC with fans protesting around the convention. In my opinion it’s refreshing to see someone enjoy the hobby and bring some fun back into the industry. He’s fairly public, so I guess I’m surprised to see anyone taking this seriously. That’s what I meant. 

I hear you and he sounds like a fun dude. My point remains that lots of dealers/collectors nowadays offer high-end art at what can be called ambitious prices, and without additional context how is one to discern what is serious and what isn't....fun dude or otherwise.

On 11/13/2022 at 5:21 PM, Xatari said:

This guy gets the joke. It’s funny to me that people in this thread actually took Dinesh seriously. Lighten up friends. This was about having some fun in the hobby. We don’t need to take everything so serisously. We aren’t saving lives, we are collecting funny book art. This is a fun weekend we can all enjoy and laugh together!

All good, but just curious how it's funny to you that some folks took Dinesh seriously given many don't know him at all or well, and there was no additional context other than the price itself. I mean, are we not supposed to take certain dealers seriously when they post high-end art at 2-3x comps/perceived FMV?

It's the constant "pushing" of prices that irks me. Always been there, always will be I suppose.

On 12/24/2021 at 5:00 PM, Lago32 said:

The two Secret Wars 8 Spidey pages now at $210k next bid with 19 days left in the auction...looks like the offer of $250k may have been a little...low.

Now $340k next bid for both pages....

On 12/5/2021 at 3:23 AM, romitaman said:

The consignor contacted me and showed me this and the previous page where spidey turns on the machine to create a new costume......I offered him 250k cash for this page and the previous page and he said Heritage told him he will do better with them so he consigned them.....So we shall see how he made out.

The two Secret Wars 8 Spidey pages now at $210k next bid with 19 days left in the auction...looks like the offer of $250k may have been a little...low.

On 8/5/2021 at 1:37 PM, Spider-Variant said:

Not disagreeing, but if Walmart stiffs you, you can go down the road to Target.  With one of a kind items, your ability to go to another provider is nearly non-existent.

 

I totally get the one-of-a-kind rationale, it is just mind-boggling to me that it happens. 

Reading this thread just reminded me how much slack we readily give dealers in this hobby when it comes to customer service. Imagine telling someone to not worry about getting a response back from Best Buy or Walmart or Amazon or your electrician or your plumber or your doctor...because August isn't a good month for them....and then being ok with it. Crazy...

A couple of observations...

1) With his "forever keeper" comment on his X109 page (and therefore dashing the hopes of anyone with designs on his page), I think Gene may have just inadvertently added another $10-20k to the final hammer price for this X109 page in Clink lol

2) It is a real sign of the times - and in particular of the high demand for, and coinciding dearth of, Byrne X-men pages - that we are giving so much attention to this one Byrne X-men page

I was pleased as an Adams fan, and frankly surprised, that the GL76 page got to where it did given that it has ping-pong'ed back and forth between various dealers, as well as at least two private collectors, over the past few years. When you have a book as key as GL76 and a growing dearth of prime Adams pages come to market, I suppose a page like that becomes more resistant to over-exposure.

For me, the more appealing Adams piece was the killer Deadman page from SA209.....most memorable page from the run for me and the perfect example of both character/story and of Adams ground-breaking composition and style - and fresh-to-market to boot.

1 hour ago, jjonahjameson11 said:

Mike, I'm in complete disagreement with you, and we can discuss it over a beer one of these days, post-covid.

Appreciate it bud but honestly not sure what would change my mind. Regarding these comments about "it is working" or me "blinking" lol, it depends what you are referring to. If you are referring to it irritating me, yeah it does obviously. If you are referring to that irritation then having the intended effect of deterring/demotivating me from bidding on or winning a piece, no it doesn't at all. I will stay there and bid as per normal up to my threshold and put up with it taking 10 minutes instead of 2 minutes - nothing changes on my part. Conversely, if you are referring to that irritation having the intended effect of then motivating me to bid more on a piece, yeah I can see someone potentially getting caught up in the emotion of it all and placing some "how-dare-they" type bids perhaps past their original threshold. But as mentioned by someone previously, in this latter instance why would anyone want to do this unless they do not intend on winning the piece and are either thrill-bidding or shilling, which obviously does happen. Hence my initial post questioning the intention and effectiveness of the bidding "strategy" to give someone an advantage in winning a piece. Anyways, nuff said on this, seems pretty clear to me.

1 minute ago, RBerman said:

Not so much in the signature auction, but in the weekly auction, there's often the tedium of watching an undesired item go for $5...6...7..8...9... eventually making it to 30...32...34... with almost five seconds passing every other bid for an item that ends up around $100.  Seems like somebody just having some fun horsing around with the system, making a low consequence item take 5x as long to conclude as the big ticket items.

Exactly, this is what I am talking about. Someone is either doing it to have fun aka irritate or they mistakenly feel it advantages them somehow.

There is no rattling or demoralizing in the situation I am describing - only irritating. I am talking about in the Heritage Live format (either the weekly auctions or the cheap day on the Signature Auction) where all active bidders are watching and participating. The irritation comes from the guy who decides to wait to bid until literally the last second during the "fair warning" period. There is no "too late" as I am sitting there ready and watching and am still able to bid and I do immediately and then often have to wait for the other guy to count down the clock. With the other guy(s) doing this literal last second bidding, the outcome will still be the same but instead of the auction potentially being over in 20 seconds, these "snipers" have to drag it out for minutes needlessly. There is no situation where I get demoralized or rattled and give up bidding or adjust my bidding if the other guy(s) are doing this, again it is just simply incredibly irritating. I guarantee it is simply a mistaken instinct on their part having been through other auction formats where this type of "sniping" actually works like Clink or eBay. 

This is to those of you that consistently wait until the 1 second mark under the "Fair Warning" section of the Heritage Live! auctions to place your bid....and then get outbid and then wait again until the 1 second mark of the next "Fair Warning" section to place your next bid and so on and so on.

Newsflash - there is no strategic advantage to doing so....it is pretty obvious that HA is not like Clink or eBay in this regard. All you are doing is dragging things out and frankly annoying us all.

Thank you in advance. 

Venting over.

When Big John put in the time and effort into inking his own work, it was pretty special (ie. some of his early covers and more specifically many of the plates he did). Unfortunately, I would imagine given his workload, this usually wasn't possible hence why many feel his own inks are rushed/loose (and they aren't wrong). In terms of his inkers, Klein on Avengers 58-62 and Palmer on Avengers 74-76 is the gold standard. I may be in the minority on this, but I really don't like Palmer's inks on Buscema after Avengers 76...Palmer's influence becomes increasingly evident with each subsequent issue which is not as desirable to my eye. Not sure why this happened - maybe Buscema started to feel more comfortable giving Palmer looser pencils after Av76 or maybe Palmer just started feeling more confident in his inking which started to overtake the pencils. Same thing happened with Palmer over Adams pencils on their X-men run.....compare the first few issues to the last few issues of the run and there is a significant difference in terms of amount of Palmer that shows through. There is an even greater difference between early Adams/Palmer X-men vs their Avengers run.

Here we are 20 years into the internet age with a wealth of information at the click of a button but yet this guy posts this vintage Byrne Avengers page as if it was still 2003. 

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/193505765205

I suppose it's good to see deals can still be had every once in a while on eBay. And if the buyer is reading this and you'd like to make a nice profit on that page, please send me a direct/private message here on the board

Just noticed this in the weekly HA auction....partially credited to "Frank Miller details".

https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/panel-pages/sal-buscema-frank-miller-and-dan-green-avengers-193-story-page-15-original-art-marvel-1980-/a/122014-11555.s?ic2=mytracked-lotspage-lotlinks-12202013&tab=MyTrackedLots-101116

Did Miller work on the interiors to this book? If so, to what extent did he contribute?

Thanks.

Mike