EC ed

It's apparently not unusual. Three months ago or so, I ran a big sales thread here, during which a veteran Boardie (who will remain nameless) PM'd me about some raw books that had been listed in my thread for an hour or so, asking for a discount on the stack (5 or 6 books). In the spirit of giving him a good deal, I thought...sure, why not...and I actually sold him the books in that "deal" at a loss...no big issue. Within a relatively short time (say 60 to 90 days or so), I watched that Boardie list those same raw books within his own sales thread upgraded at least a full grade point, which he then sold for more than my original (undiscounted) sales thread asking price. It was a great learning experience for me. Along with some other realizations, that's when I really had to internalize the bit of wisdom that says to make sure you are happy with the price at which you sell books, and then in some sense who cares what happens after that. Trust me...I understand that argument. Still, having said that, it felt like a light kick in the crotch.

Sounds like a RedRocks situation.

Not even in the same neighborhood as RedRocks. From what I remember of the RedRocks situation, RedRocks had a warm, fuzzy story about how he wanted the book for his grandchildren, etc. The buyer in my tale offered no story behind the "deal" request...there was no misrepresentation whatsoever. After the fact, looks like he wanted the "deal" so that he could earn higher profit margin on the flip...but he never indicated any intent to the contrary...fair enough. Way, way, way different than RedRocks - incomparable, actually.

I bought books from edowens. They were tightly graded and priced fairly. If someone is marking up the grades, the books are now over graded. I was not the buyer he spoke of.

Correct...not you Pat. (thumbs u

Anyway, I wasn't trying to make an issue of that incident, or "indict" the person...just offering another example, and lesson learned.

I'm going to start perusing these before I buy books. I don't want to end up with someone's overgraded flipped undergraded book.

It's apparently not unusual. Three months ago or so, I ran a big sales thread here, during which a veteran Boardie (who will remain nameless) PM'd me about some raw books that had been listed in my thread for an hour or so, asking for a discount on the stack (5 or 6 books). In the spirit of giving him a good deal, I thought...sure, why not...and I actually sold him the books in that "deal" at a loss...no big issue. Within a relatively short time (say 60 to 90 days or so), I watched that Boardie list those same raw books within his own sales thread upgraded at least a full grade point, which he then sold for more than my original (undiscounted) sales thread asking price. It was a great learning experience for me. Along with some other realizations, that's when I really had to internalize the bit of wisdom that says to make sure you are happy with the price at which you sell books, and then in some sense who cares what happens after that. Trust me...I understand that argument. Still, having said that, it felt like a light kick in the crotch.

Has Friday come early? Should we take this to CG?

No, no, no. Let's use this thread also for airing personal grievances and discussing our entrepreneurial strategies...anything, anything...just as long as the discussion does NOT relate to a potential probation list nomination or probation list removal.

Wait a minute...is one of you guys going to nominate the other for the PL? If so, get that mess out of here.

From what I can tell, this was the last PL situation on the table, pending resolution, right?

I think he is laying low since his shilling was discovered and he took a (deserved) beating. Hasn't posted since 1/23/2014. Which is a VERY long time for him. I hope you are made whole Dale.

 

Doesn't look good.

Dale, If you don't mind me asking, how long ago was the transaction? He got caught shilling (great job Joe) and then reset his bids and someone won a cgc'd book for .99+shipping and he refused to send so he got negged. Got raked over in General for it and has been gone ever since. I REALLY don't want to see you get burned, you're always so nice to me at NYCC

 

I think I sent the invoice about January 8th. He has been pretty straight forward all along, that he needed to sell some stuff before he sent payment, and that's fine. He asked me to give him a couple of weeks and that's fine too. Just hope he comes through.

 

I intend to give him every shot to make it right.

 

So, (@ Dale) has HusTruck paid this invoice yet? If not, when are the 30 days up for purposes of PL nomination?

Anyway, this is the Probation List Discussion thread. Does any of this have anything to do with the PL?

8 pages later, this question bears repeating.

There was a dedicated thread to the topic that started with a link to the court case which made the news. I think it had the username in the subject line.

Here's a short one: http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3454212&fpart=1

Beware incredibly over-simplified internet summaries. They only bear a scant resemblance to the full story.

 

Chris, do you remember that thread in Comics General? It was a long one, and I cannot find it. Even when I go back to 2009-2010.

Is this it? It starts off as a thread about Pedigree, but later morphs into a discussion about Heritage...

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3773342&fpart=1

Just picked up a raw Wild Boy (SOTI book) from Collin - awesome transaction, as usual...love buying Collin's books!

Is that actually binding?

Interesting question...I had a similar nagging thought. I think wipple has a case he could argue should he choose to do so, but having said that, I think this structure indeed introduces some grey area into the situation. Also, I must admit that generally I'm not a fan of the "I'll take it if he passes" type of post, although it's tough to put a finger on why it bothers me...maybe it seems too close to a 'pre-emption'...the book isn't actually technically for sale again until the first "contingent" buyer officially passes, so can it be taken by a second buyer before that happens?...

Can we assume if Ed posts the payment and refund that the seller had accepted the deal?

Yeah, why not just put this on the PL fast-track just for the sake of thoroughness...seems like the refund + disparaging Ed's lineage would qualify as "refusal to complete the transaction"

Did anyone see this?

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7399107#Post7399107

 

just curious what the group thought?

I'm curious whether wipple is going to let him off the hook on this one, or whether wipple is going to formally ask for an explanation/PM timestamp...say, over in the PL discussion thread....

Just bought a raw ASM 37 from jop...beautiful book, packed bomb-proof with freebies attached! KUDOS!

So if the buyer is elected to the PL over this, his only recourse to get off is to buy a book he presumably doesn't want. Is that really what the seller wants?

Would you make this same argument on behalf of a n00b who was put on the PL for not following through with a commitment to purchase a book "they no longer want"?

This situation sucks, and many of the arguments on behalf of Bob are fairly sensible...this one doesn't fly, though. Otherwise, the whole notion of the PL for purposes of enforcing 'take its' goes out the window.

Also, hypothetically speaking, perhaps this wouldn't be Bob's only recourse...but still, most of this is just until we hear from Bob, right?

I have no doubt that Bob is a fine guy. However, I don't like the tone this discussion is taking...it's starting to reek of 'the PL mechanism shouldn't be enforced equally against all boardies'...and some of you might recall how I feel about that type of thinking...

As far as this goes, we need to think of Bob as 'Boardie A' and Spider-Dan as 'Boardie B.' Further, as far as this goes, the value of the book shouldn't matter, either. Nor should the stain, unless there was a contingency included in the deal. Could be any two boardies, with any book. Should Spider-Dan have waited to get the book in hand before selling it - probably. Should Bob have gotten the notes before agreeing to the deal - probably. But if that didn't happen and a deal was committed to, if Bob indeed failed to follow through on the commitment, he's subject to the PL, and it's up to Spider-Dan (and Bob) to work out a satisfactory resolution for Spider-Dan. How could Bob rectify this? The same way a n00b with a low-dollar book would rectify it...

I agree that it is unfortunate that this is happening with veteran boardies on a 5-figure book, but the process doesn't vary based on these dimensions...it's equally applicable.

So, the next thing that we need to know is Bob's side of the story, from Bob himself, so it can be assessed whether he failed to complete an agreed upon marketplace transaction. If evidence bears that out, it is what it is.

Ed

As I see it, there are five arguments against this notion, that we keep hearing repeat:

 

1. Things are fine. People are blowing a couple bad apples way out of proportion.

 

2. People should use a little common sense. If they weren't such greedy schmucks they'd be able to realize that an Action 1 at 9% FMV from a noob with three posts is a scam.

 

3. There is a problem, but implementing this (or maybe any) solution will unduly burden the good noobs.

 

3a. When I was a noob I was good, so...

 

4. Not all problem Boardies are noobs, and not all noobs are problem Boardies.

5. Dude, be quiet. If we wake the sleeping Arch, he'll take away our sales threads!!!

 

I'm not counting 3a. as a separate argument, 'cuz it's basically just an anecdotal version of 3.

 

Does that sound right?

As written, these are arguments against the general notion of imposing some type of restriction on noob seller/buyers. There are also arguments out there against the specific "post count/membership time" restriction mechanism (not necessarily "my" arguments, mind you, just ones I've seen):

6. To a scammer with a little patience, the membership time/post count is not much of an impediment. They can simply register, wait out the two months (all the while posting dancing bananas everywhere), then start hitting it under false cover of "meeting the requirements, so they must be OK."

7. A boardie's membership time/post count information is readily visible on every post...even more obvious than the PL...so it's hard to argue the need for further policing of that issue, given the relatively obvious nature of the information.

... plus get the names out there to make them easier to remember

Would have been nice to have been able to have fit in the sig line

I even tried deleting everything except names (e.g., dates added, aliases, etc.)...still it's twice too large

I get that! But what for?

I tried to put it in my sig line, but it won't fit...too many characters

Might look nice nestled in the first post of any future sales threads I run

I get that! But what for?

I tried to put it in my sig line, but it won't fit...too many characters

At a minimum, someone should think about putting HusTruck into the "blocked eBay buyer list" that slym started in CG, HERE .

Speaking of which, when slym started that thread, he mentioned the possibility of, in principle, consolidating that list to make it easier to view. If we went ahead and did that consolidation, perhaps that would be an alternative place to get ne'er-do-wells on a visible list...of course, this will only work for boardies with eBay accounts...

Well mess. If he isn't on the PL/HOS lists, how are we supposed to know not to deal with him? I have a purchase in his thread, but didn't know his history.

A third list!

(sorry...couldn't resist)

And dude, if you're feeling the frustration after almost 12 months (hey, happy anniversary! ), try five or ten years!!

Thanks! Yep...first anny coming up! I can only imagine how the frustration must build after 5 years. I think I'll try to deal with it by just buying more comics.

Can we start a new (noob?) thread, strictly dedicated to endless discussions of how to improve the system?

What would be left in this thread, then? Endless complaints about what's going on in the marketplace (with no solutions being discussed, mind you) and funny memes? Doesn't sound very interesting. Although I must agree with you that endless discussion of solutions without ever seeing any of them pushed through to implementation is equally .