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I've seen it before though I know that doesn't mean much. Kramerica and others do raffles where some of the freebies aren't necessarily items within the GSB thread. Not sure what else could be done here.

I don't have a real issue with his thread, per se...just thinking about how the general idea of doing this relates to the rules at a technical level. And this one caught my eye because of how he moved this thread back to G/S/B with C/M books remaining in it after it had been moved by the mods to Mixed, with self-justification for why he moved the thread back with the C/M books still in there...

And trust me, the last thing I want to be is the rules police...sweet mother...I can't keep doing this.

thought I'd save a lot of people the trouble

(thumbs u

I had already used "perplexed" in a recent post up above, so didn't want to be repetitive. Mix it up a bit.

And isn't it the case that the mods moved his thread to Mixed once already today? Now he takes the initiative to move it back, and actually addresses the mods in the first thread post, telling them it's OK that he moved it back because now the C/Ms are freebies? Do I have this right?

I don't like the precedent that TheMightyMidget is trying to establish here... that is, the argument that as long as copper/modern books are technically offered as freebies, it's not a rules violation to put them in G/S/B (see the G/S/B thread HERE ). So, if books are placed in the wrong area, the mods should not move the thread if the incorrectly placed books are offered as freebies (and there are 3 of them in there...not 1, as indicated in the initial post...so, 20% of the books in that thread are C/M)? What? I disagree. Don't get the logic...actually, there is no logic offered. Thoughts on this concept?

And the most flummoxing thing is that TheMightyMidget actually (appropriately) has a concurrent thread established in C/M! Why not just put them there?

Why, oh why, oh why does this have to be so complicated?

 

This is posted in the wrong section.

 

+1

I went looking for the rule that provides guidance about the correct location to spew personal vitriol, but couldn't find anything directly on point.

And all this on the heels of such a productive discussion...

Dale,

I applaud you for that decision, sir.

Although I think the separate thread approach provides a nice, clean structure, Rupp raises an interesting point about putting the thread back in Mixed that relates to my thoughts about Mixed that I didn't want to digress to earlier...

This is for all of us to consider:

Why is Mixed a four-letter word? If any of us thinks it’s better to have our books in one large thread for whatever reason, why not run our threads in Mixed? That’s what it’s there for. Is it because it’s a “low traffic” area…no one goes there...it's too much trouble to check it…is that it? I don’t think that’s true…say I’m browsing the boards, I have some money with which to buy comics…I think, ‘hey, I wonder if there are any good threads in Mixed’…I click the link. Why does no one go there…because there are never any good sales threads there? Is that why? I assure you that if Dale Roberts was running an epic sales thread in Mixed, I'd go there. Do you see how this is endogenous? If people put quality combined threads in Mixed instead of incorrectly putting them elsewhere, Mixed would not be a low traffic area…people would go there, and sellers would love putting their threads there. It’s self-fulfilling! You could make a case that the collective rules violations (putting combined threads elsewhere) are a key cause of why Mixed is a low traffic area!

And again... the issue isn't about how many moderns one can push into the G/S/B Only thread.

 

Its how that it's right for any boardie who has clearly violated a stated posting rule, be able to get a retraction of his punishment waiver of the established forum rules after a moderator had made the decision to enforce the established rules (the moving of the thread) by simply asking for it... and not be required to change the content of the thread that caused it to be moved in the first place?

Fixed that.

Didn't want things to be mischaracterized. Let's be fair to the moderators. The moderators never imposed any punishment (nor should they have). The (appropriate) moving of the thread to Mixed was not punishment, but was simply putting the thread where it "should have been" in the first place. Punishment would have been the imposition of some extra consequences on top of putting the thread where it belonged to begin with. The moderators did not impose any such extra consequences (correctly so).

It seems a little silly that if I have a sales thread of GA/SA/BA stuff, but want to include some McFarlane Spideys that it needs to move to a different section...

Guys and gals,

I'm perplexed. This doesn't seem like a difficult problem to me. I myself just went through this with some large sales threads of my own. It doesn't cost money to start sales threads in the different areas. So, here's the scenario...say I have a stack of comics I want to sell. I determine a reasonable starting point for the Copper Age...let's call it January 1984. I scan all of my comics. I recognize that I have some comics that were printed prior to January, 1984 (and therefore belong in G/S/B), and some comics that were printed after January, 1984 (and therefore belong in C/M).

OK...say for some reason I don't want to put my comics in Mixed (because it's a low traffic area or something like that...that's another issue I don't understand, but I don't want to digress). Fine. So, I open up a sales thread in G/S/B. Also, I put a little note at the bottom of my first G/S/B post (or in my signature) that I'm going to start up a C/M thread as well, and if anyone is interested, go check it out. Then, I go over to C/M and start up that sales thread, similarly alerting people to the existence of my concurrent G/S/B thread. In both cases I announce "you can combine shipping for books across my two threads!"

Then, I get ready to start listing my books. If the book (or scan) I'm holding in my hand was printed prior to January 1984, I post that entry in my G/S/B thread. If the book (or scan) I'm holding in my hand was printed after January 1984, I post it up in my C/M thread. Problem solved. Clean sales threads in the correct areas. Comics being viewed by audiences most interested in those eras....

For the love of Festivus, can someone please explain to me why this is so difficult to accomplish?

Ed

His thread is already approximately 25% copper/modern (estimate).

Good estimate!

72 "misplaced" listings out of 281 total listings to date, according to my personal calculations. 72/281 = 25.6%. This is using January, 1984 as the beginning of the Copper Age. Of course, if you believe the Copper Age started before January, 1984, the numerator increases.

(As has been stated, this is indeed not the core issue...just an interesting statistic...I like statistics )

There are currently threads with copper and modern in them besides mine right now. I am talking threads with 20 books, and 4 or 5 of them are copper modern. Why don't you rail on them?

Also, just to make sure I'm clear (then I'm going to stop my rant), the initial thread placement or mix of books therein was not what infuriated me...that's why I'm not railing on "them." My issue was summarized best up above by another boardie, so I'll just post that rather than rephrase:

The bigger problem here is the fact that it got moved from MIXED back to G/S/B ONLY... at the seller's request.

 

That to me is a TOTAL lack of respect to every other member out there who has been threatened with a "wrist slap" or a "strike" for not following the rules.

 

Horrible use of authority all the way around... right here.

That hits it on the head, right there. And the "lack of respect" idea is not a lack of respect on your part, but on the part of the authority. (thumbs u

I appreciate that response, Dale. Further, I appreciate your presence here on the boards and in the hobby, and I was looking forward to your sale.

Surely though, if you put yourself in the shoes of a detached observer and look at the message chain I outline in my last post above, you could see how this course of events might be infuriating.

As for the logic about what has happened in the past and what other people are doing, my opinion is that's never really a good reason to continue doing things the "wrong way," because as has apparently occurred over time, the "wrong way" has now become the norm...this is what happens, I'm afraid.

Again, as I mention in one of my other posts above, if the norm is now that everything gets mixed in anyway and people are OK with that, why don't we just do away with the separate sub-fora and have one general sales area? You are correct that I don't have a long history here, but I'm assuming that the separate sub-fora were established for a reason. If that reason still exists, then we each need to try to do our best to preserve that structure.

Again, I appreciate your response, and my infuriation at the circumstances is nothing personal.

Best,

Ed

Oh, and for convenience, here are some direct snippets from the thread (bold font added by me for emphasis):

Page 1:

There will be Golden Age, Silver Age, Bronze, Copper, Moderns, Magazines, and even some misc stuff like fanzines, hardcovers, memorabilia, some modern full runs.

Page 3 (after the mods moved the thread to Mixed, which by the way was also after Dale had already posted two books in the thread: 1 Golden Age and 1 Modern):

What kind of bull is this. Move my thread back to the GA/SA/BA forum.

Page 6:

Sorry, on the phone. Hopefully will get it straightened out.

Page 28:

Oh and I will try to get this thread back where it belongs if the mods will be nice enough to help me out.

Page 43 (after the mods moved the thread BACK to G/S/B):

Was that another forum shift ?

Yup - I started reading in mixed and now it moved to GA/SA/BA. It does look like it belongs in mixed...., but an awesome assortment of material!!

 

And I would like to offer special thanks to Dena and all the mods for helping me out here.

 

Dale

Page 44:

Actually, its been happening for years. Go take a look at any of Foolkiller's Holiday threads, or a hundred others.

 

Ultimately, does it really matter?

 

Looks like your thread is doing just fine regardless of "location".

 

Probably not. I was pretty fired up last night when my thread got moved right before I was going to start posting. But the mods were cool enough to talk to me about it, and I appreciate that.

 

Anyway, enough of this. Its over and done.

"enough of this", he says.... That's rich...

I think Ed's biggest issue is that Dale got the thread moved back.

 

He's hoping he would set a better example and not go with the same "everyone else is doing it" excuse.

 

Ed if I got your message wrong, my apologies

Nope, Hector...you got it right. (thumbs u

Actually, in many ways I agree with you (joeycgcmaniac), and I actually have nothing personally against Dale. This is just a comics board, and at the core we're just talking about funny books...should not be any cause to get riled up about funny books, right? Seems a bit silly.

What I'm riled up about is a more fundamental concept - the display of a fundamental, transparent feeling by someone that (for whatever reason) the rules should not apply to that person, and the authoritative powers openly taking an action that reinforces that imbalance. It's a more primitive issue than comics, and one that elicits strong emotions in me, personally.

So, if the rules about where to list books have indeed gone to mess and it's just a big open marketplace for selling anything and everything in one place, that's fine too. We should just communicate to the mods that that's what we want, and delete all these separate areas in favor of one marketplace forum with no sub-fora....then, we won't have this issue.

Also, I don’t know Dale Roberts, although I feel like I know him better than I did yesterday. I urge any of you that know him to contact him privately and encourage him to take the high road and set a good example by either (a) asking the moderators to move his thread back to mixed, or (b) stopping being a lazy and separate his books into two threads…put the G/S/B in G/S/B and put the C/M in C/M…it’s not that difficult.

I give a mess. What's going on?

Thanks.

I apologize...I should have been more explicit in my initial rant.

I’m talking about Dale Roberts’ thread, RIGHT HERE. See the first few pages for the initial action. He started this blatantly mixed thread (and stated this intent in his initial post) in G/S/B that he intends to run for a couple months, and the moderators appropriately moved it to Mixed.

Dale then started whining and alleging that he would get his thread moved back to G/S/B, and he was correct - the moderator(s) made an inexplicable exception and moved the thread back to G/S/B, clearly communicating that the “rules” do not apply equally to everyone. Besides…Dale’s thread was doing fine over in mixed, and one could make the argument that he will get more Copper/Modern viewers in Mixed than in G/S/B, but that calculus is apparently lost on him.

I realize that essentially, no one gives a mess what I think, but I'm going to anyway...

When

1) people who should be taking leadership roles in our industry (and by extension, these boards) request blatant exceptions to established marketplace rules/norms (based primarily on the argument that, "well, other people have gotten away with breaking rules in the past so I should too"), and 2) those requests are actually granted by the people in charge,

it might be time for me to take a vacation.

I know, I know...."well, have a nice one Ed...don't let the door hit you on the on the way out"....right?

Toast just bought two boxes full of raw comics from my Bronze thread...the transaction was a real pleasure - instant payment and great communication from a great boardie. (thumbs u

Here's an EC double cover from 1955 (and my the only slabbed double cover in my collection)...it has been very hard to resist cracking this out so I can actually see the double cover...

This is my personal favorite because its subject matter strikes a personal chord. My wife has South American heritage, and my daughter's name is Elena. Amazing.

Beautiful, AND with all quotation marks!

That is a rarity with this book.

Exactly...one of the reasons I pulled the trigger on this copy. Thanks, guys! (thumbs u

Let me in, courtesy of this copy I acquired from Gsims718 a couple months ago!

Just now getting around to presenting my admission ticket...picked up this sweet copy from schlep back in October:

Thinking outside the box on this one.... I think I can sneak it in here...