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Well.spill it before I go nuts looking for a silver cover.Was there a gold cover...?

Sorry,logo...

A tease...

What isn't as well known is the SILVER logo cover............

 

I know about the silver logo cover...

Just got back my coupon submission. I am very happy with three of them, but the fourth has me baffled.

 

 

What the? This one looked better than the Super Friends! Either CGC typed in the wrong grade, or there is something going on inside the book that I missed. However, there are no grader's notes??? How are there no grader's notes? There is no spine stress, the corners are sharp, the edges are sharp, there are no dents, bends stains, holes, etc. I almost want crack this out and re-sub because the difference in value between an 8.0 and a 9.8 is about $500!

 

 

You have to pay to get grader's notes.

 

I know, but CGC's website says that there are no notes available. I don't even have the option to buy them. I can see this with a 9.8 as there is not much to note. However, I would think an 8.0 would warrant notes to explain how they arrived at this grade.

Hey Kaptain!

Ok, I see what the main problem is with this book.

Apparently, this book was kept in a comicbag for a *long* time. Long enough that that the plastic of the bag adhered to the front cover in places.

As some point in the past, when the book was finally removed from the bag, the bag took a lot of color and ink from the front cover.

If you look at the big "JOKER" logo, it should be a solid red. However, all those yellow streaks on the logo are from where color was literally peeled off the front cover.

(And this probably happened years ago- if something like this occurred when one of the graders at CGC removed a book from a bag, CGC would contact the submitter. While this is not a common defect, it is one we see every once in a while in the grading room. It seems to be most common with DCs and Marvel from the 70s and early 80s and almost always affects the reds in the cover the most.)

That's why, even though it looks *structurally* to be around a 9.4, it only got a VF grade.

I'm sorry it didn't get as high as you were hoping for.

It's either this, or stand around with his hands in his pockets.

NOTHING will top the Tony Moore cover April Fool's joke from a few years back. I can't remember how much that sold on Comic Link for, but that was cruel.

 

I wasn't around for that one.........information anyone?

 

I remember someone on CAF Fake selling or something like that a blank Adlard cover

Hey all,

As was mentioned previously in the thread, the matter is being investigated even as we speak.

As far as announcing anything here on the boards currently, the only two people authorized to do that are Paul or Harshen. Paul is currently flying back from Seattle and Harshen had scheduled the day off to to attend to his fathers surgery today.

Rest assured, once we have a better idea as to the facts involved, we'll make a statement here on the boards.

I've always felt that there was something similar about these two covers, but I've never been able to quite put my finger on it.

That is great...Funny how our stories come together...I bet there could be a whole novel on the (2nd) Clone Saga...

There pretty much was!

Check out this 35-part blog series "The Life of Reilly" about the Clone Saga, with imput by Spider-writer/editor Glenn Greenberg.

http://lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/2008/03/part-1.html

There was some inter-office political intrigue that went on at the time. I can't remember the details, but James Owsley was the Spider-Man writer, and Shooter was the EIC. Somehow, when Owsley was away, it was decided that the Hobgoblin would be killed, and revealed to be Ned Leeds. This happened in Spider Man vs Wolverine. Owsley felt the rug had been pulled out from under him, and left he book. Peter David had to come in and write a clean-up story in 289.

No, no. Jim Owsley (aka Christopher Priest) is the guy who *wrote* SPIDER-MAN VS. WOLVERINE, specifically with the intention of having Ned Leeds die in it.

This is Peter David from his blog explaining how the whole ASM #289 reveal came about:

THE HOBGOBLIN

 

Yes, the Hobgoblin…a villain whose identity was revealed to fans in one of the most bizarre twists that Marvel ever embarked upon. Stunned fans demanded, “Why the hell did you do it this way?” And I shall now answer that.

 

At the time, Hobgoblin had managed to move beyond simply being the Green Goblin redux, becoming one of Spidey’s more formidable villains and certainly the talk of Spidey fandom. Who is he really? was one of the most bandied about questions in the letters pages, one of the most posed queries at conventions. (What I started doing was answering it point blank. Fans would come up to me at signings and say, “Who’s the Hobgoblin?” And I’d say, “Ned Leeds” or “Flash Thompson” or “Jameson” or whoever crossed my mind at that moment. The questioner would always look surprised, and I’d say, “You asked. What’d you expect me to do?” And they’d wander off, looking shellshocked. And I’d tell the next questioner something different.)

 

But the question did have to be settled and answered eventually. And it became somewhat problematic, especially considering that Roger Stern (the character’s guiding light) was no longer involved with Spider-Man at the time that we were starting to move towards a revelation storyline.

 

At one point there was a Spider-writer’s meeting, spearheaded by editor Jim Owsley. All the Spider writers discussed the open issue of who the Hobgoblin really was. Tom DeFalco’s inclination was to go on the assumption that Hobby was Daily Bugle reporter Ned Leeds. There was always the option of going in a different direction at the last minute. But so that we were all on the same page, the consensus was that we would all operate on the basis that Ned was indeed Hobgoblin. Amazing Spider-Man, which Tom was writing at the time (I was on Spectacular Spider-Man) would be the main source for clues, hints and storylines that would eventually lead up to the revelation of the Hobgoblin’s identity…presumably Ned, unless so many readers nailed it that we felt we had to go in another direction.

 

Time passed, stories were written…

 

And then stuff happened.

 

Tom left Amazing Spider-Man under circumstances that were–how shall I put it?–less than cordial between himself and Owsley. This was unfortunate, since I thought that Tom’s work on Spider-Man was some of his best stuff.

 

At the time, guesses as to Hobby’s identity were coming in hot and heavy since Tom had stepped up the Hobgoblin storyline. And the vast majority of the guesses centered on Hobby being Ned Leeds. We weren’t fooling a lot of people; indeed, most of the people who guessed otherwise did so on the basis that it couldn’t be Ned because it couldn’t be that obvious.

 

In any event, one day Jim Owsley came by my office (I was working in the sales department at the time) and said, “You busy for lunch?”

 

“Nooo…”

 

“Good. We’re going out to discuss,” and he got a slightly demented cackle in his voice, “the Hobgoblin. You’re going to write the story that reveals his identity…”

 

“I am?”

 

“Yes. And at lunch, I’ll tell you who he is.”

 

I frowned. “He’s Ned Leeds.”

 

“At lunch,” Owsley repeated, sounding quite mysterious, and evaporated from my office door.

 

So we went out to lunch and Owsley wasted no time in getting down to business. “Okay. In Amazing Spider-Man #289, we’re going to reveal who the Hobgoblin is.”

 

“Right. Ned Leeds,” I said, in hopes that Owsley’s odd reaction to my saying it previously had been an aberration.

 

“Nope. Because I’m killing off Ned Leeds.”

 

My jaw kind of dropped. “You’re what?!”

 

“There’s going to be a Spider-Man/Wolverine one shot that I’m writing, and Spider-Man is going to find Ned dead in his hotel room.”

 

“Dead? Who killed him?”

 

“We don’t show who killed him, but it’s implied that it’s terrorists.”

 

“But…but,” I stammered, “if you’re killing off Ned…then who is the Hobgoblin?”

 

Owsley grinned. “The Foreigner.”

 

The Foreigner was a master assassin character whom I’d created to be a nemesis for Spider-Man. Bore a strong resemblance (when he was drawn correctly) to Patrick McGoohan.

 

“The Foreigner?!” I said. “The Foreigner wouldn’t be the Hobgoblin!”

 

“Sure! It’ll be great!”

 

“No, it won’t be great,” I said. “First off, the Foreigner’s whole shtick is that he’s low profile. He doesn’t run around in gaudy, conspicuous costumes. He blends in. Taking on a costumed villain identity is totally against his character. And second, we’ve been telling people that Hobgoblin is an already-established character in the Spider-Man cast. The Foreigner was created after Hobgoblin showed up. It’s a cheat. We’d be cheating the readers. You’ve got to change this idea of Ned being killed.”

 

“It’s too late. The book’s already written and drawn.”

 

I moaned.

 

“Okay,” said Owsley gamely. “If you don’t want it to be the Foreigner, then let’s figure out who it can be.”

 

We started going over recent developments in Amazing, and slowly we came to a hideous realization.

 

He had to be Ned Leeds. Tom had been extremely thorough, perhaps too much so. When one took all the clues into account, there was really no one besides Ned Leeds that it could be. No wonder practically all the readers were figuring it out. No other suspects really fit.

 

“The Hobgoblin has to be Ned Leeds,” I said.

 

“Yeah, but Ned’s going to be dead a couple of months before #289 comes out. He can’t be the Hobgoblin.”

 

I thought about that. And thought about that.

 

And I had one of those frightening skewed moments of mine. A moment when I look at a story point where something outrageous would be required to resolve it, and I think to myself, Well we couldn’t possibly conclude it that way. And then that magic two word phrase occurs to me, the phrase being…

 

“Why not?”

 

Owsley looked at me strangely. “What do you mean, why not?”

 

“Why can’t he be the Hobgoblin?”

 

“Because he’ll be dead.”

 

“Exactly!” I said with increasing excitement. “Jim, think about it. Comic readers are locked into certain patterns which we can use to our advantage. And when it comes to mystery villains, the pattern is: You present your suspects, you drop clues, you might kill off a suspect or two, you have a big confrontation with the hero and the villain, and the villain is unmasked.”

 

I could see he was still with me, if skeptical, so I pushed on. “Right now, Ned Leeds is the number one suspect. But if we violate the pattern…if we kill him off, but make it that he was the Hobgoblin…we can sucker punch all the readers. Ned Leeds will go from being the most likely suspect to the least. Fans will have the same reaction you just had: Ned’s dead, so that eliminates him as a suspect. For a period of several months between Ned’s death and issue #289, the one guy fans will be positive can’t be the Hobgoblin is Ned Leeds. We’re sacrificing the climactic showdown between Spidey and his arch foe…but what we’re gaining in exchange is something unprecedented. Something so unique, that no one would ever be able to do it again.”

 

“It’s so stupid, who’d want to?” Owsley said, but I could tell that he was really getting into the loopy novelty of it. “But then you’re saying the Hobgoblin’s dead? Gone?”

 

“We’ll have a new Hobgoblin. The guy who was responsible for his death, whoever that is. It won’t be terrorists, it’ll be…” I paused, trying to come up with something.

 

And Owz and I were on the same wavelength, because we said it at the same time: “Jack O’Lantern.”

 

It made perfect sense. Jack O’Lantern was scared of Hobby and had gotten the snot kicked out of himself the last time they’d faced off.

 

Very quickly the mysterious and unseen terrorists who had knocked off Ned Leeds metamorphosized into operatives of the Foreigner. It was consistent for Jack O’Lantern. Having gotten his head handed to him once, he decided to hire a top assassin to do his dirty work for him. And we had the simple leap of faith that the Foreigner, being as well-connected as he was, had been able to determine that Ned was the Hobgoblin. Why not? God knows enough fans with far less resources than the Foreigner had figured it out. Jack hires Foreigner, Foreigner aces Ned, Jack becomes the new Hobgoblin, and we get our shock revelation.

 

And that’s exactly what we did.

 

When the revelation issue came out, I fancied that I could hear jaws dropping throughout the country. People didn’t know what to make of it. Some felt cheated. Some loved the idea that we had totally fooled them.

 

And almost all of them said, “How the hell did you come up with this?”

 

And now you know. So if you didn’t like it, blame me. Sure, I was just dealing with the plot twists that had been thrown at me, but ultimately, the responsibility is mine.

 

But it was Owsley’s idea to kill off Jean DeWolff, and Al Milgrom and Bob Harras made the Hulk gray.

 

That’s another story, though…

Late copper/early modern - Web of Spider-Man 118 had a second printing

 

 

That a book that came with an action figure?

 

I'm not sure. It's from 2001, but other than that I'm at a loss

 

The first print would have come out about 9 years earlier, so chances are that printing was related to something like a toy or promo.

If, during your quest, you find a 2nd print of (Marvel's) GI Joe #21 you get ahold of me for some serious offers!

 

To my knowledge it is the only GI Joe book I do not own and I have been looking for it for a decade! I'm starting to think this only exists in the land of unicorns!!! 1st and 3rd prints are common; 2nd print apparently non-existent.

 

(my OCD is going to drive me to the crazy house!!! )

G.I. Joe #21 second printing does not exist. Only 1st and 3rd.

(In other words, all the third printings would technically be second prints. But since they all say "Third Printing" on the 1st page, that's how they are labeled.)

If you go to the original SW trilogy there's NOTHING to indicate that Vader is anything other than a heavy. He doesn't exhibit the least bit of humanity or caring until that last desperate act. All we have are a few words from Obi Wan about who he was.

 

 

Oh! Oh! I can think of one particular moment where Vader seemed to show at least a smidgen of humanity!

 

 

Can you guess what it was?

 

 

I have been trying to think of something in the original trilogy...not seeing it.

 

 

The moment I'm thinking of is in EMPIRE right after Vader gives the order to lower Han into the carbon-freezing unit.

 

Chewie starts to go crazy and Boba Fett raises his blaster to shoot him. Vader slams Fett's blaster back down.

 

(And of course it's followed up with Fett turning to give Vader a "What the hell is *your* problem?!" look.)

 

 

I thought he wanted his bargaining chips to lure Skywalker to cloud city to stay undamaged until he could spring the trap.

I don't know about that. Vader knew that Luke was already on his way to Cloud City. And even if Chewie were killed, and Luke knew it, he would still come to Cloud City to save Han and Leia.

I think Vader simply thought "There's no reason for the Wookie for to die. Solo will calm him down. I don't want anyone to die unless it's necessary."

If you go to the original SW trilogy there's NOTHING to indicate that Vader is anything other than a heavy. He doesn't exhibit the least bit of humanity or caring until that last desperate act. All we have are a few words from Obi Wan about who he was.

 

 

Oh! Oh! I can think of one particular moment where Vader seemed to show at least a smidgen of humanity!

 

 

Can you guess what it was?

 

 

I have been trying to think of something in the original trilogy...not seeing it.

The moment I'm thinking of is in EMPIRE right after Vader gives the order to lower Han into the carbon-freezing unit.

Chewie starts to go crazy and Boba Fett raises his blaster to shoot him. Vader slams Fett's blaster back down.

(And of course it's followed up with Fett turning to give Vader a "What the hell is *your* problem?!" look.)

There was that one time..

 

 

Is this that "Gangnum Style" I've heard them talk about so much lately?

If you go to the original SW trilogy there's NOTHING to indicate that Vader is anything other than a heavy. He doesn't exhibit the least bit of humanity or caring until that last desperate act. All we have are a few words from Obi Wan about who he was.

 

 

Oh! Oh! I can think of one particular moment where Vader seemed to show at least a smidgen of humanity!

 

 

Can you guess what it was?

 

 

When he let Admiral Motti go from his force choke without completely shattering his larynx?

 

Nope! Guess again!

If you go to the original SW trilogy there's NOTHING to indicate that Vader is anything other than a heavy. He doesn't exhibit the least bit of humanity or caring until that last desperate act. All we have are a few words from Obi Wan about who he was.

Oh! Oh! I can think of one particular moment where Vader seemed to show at least a smidgen of humanity!

Can you guess what it was?

Probably old news, but I don't think the complete image has been shown in this thread.

(Some people were speculating things like a baseball cap in the final part.)

PREDICTION:

It will be revealed that Merle is the reason that his and Daryl's mom died in that fire.

And take Maggie off the list of photos.

 

you sure that's Maggie? looks like future Carl

 

It certainly looks like where Carl is headed.

It looks like Carl is headed to growing his eye back?!

I think it is CGC's scan.

 

FYI: When you choose the "image" option when submitting, CGC doesn't scan, they photograph.

No, really. We have scanners. We use scanners.

Done. -andy

I love it!!!!

Thank you so much, Andy!!!!

Looking great so far, Andy!

PS Finally vindicated on pronouncing it Mish-own...

 

But Kirkman was great by saying as he always does...pronounce it however you want

Wait til they start saying it on the show.

"My name is Me-SHAWN."

"Nice to meet you, Me-SHOWN"

"Where do you come from, ME-shawn?"