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I just received my catalogue for the Heritage auction and saw the memorandum for Ed. I was shocked. I’ve dealt with Ed for 20 years at Heritage. What a nice guy and so friendly.  RIP ED my condolences to your family and friends.

On 7/27/2021 at 11:42 PM, RareHighGrade said:

Anybody else notice that the Church pre-Archie Pep run was just dropped on Heritage?  

Must have been the 20 I dropped when I was holding them so long ago!

On 7/26/2021 at 4:18 PM, Aman619 said:

so its still raw?  ought to be a minimum 9.4.  That collection is awesome.  THEYRE STILL OUT THERE!

 

Don’t know what happened to it after I saw it other than it was sold to someone in Texas!

I saw the Western Penn AF 15. Awesome book didn’t look at it close enough to grade but it sure was purdy!

7 hours ago, lou_fine said:

Well, if the big Jon Berk collection is any indication which was consigned through CC instead of Heritage, I don't seem to remember many (if even any in fact) posts about overgraded books.  

What I do remember though is that many of the books were being flipped back out encased in slabs with higher grades by some dealers and sellers within mere weeks of the completion of the CC Event Auction.  Of course, this was rationalized away by some boardies here as making perfect business sense since the objective of CCG as a business owner is to make money by maximizing both their top and bottom lines.  As such, it was stated that CGC had a massive interest in undergrading books, particularly those with "improvable" defects.  

Any bets that we will not be seeing this same scenario played out when it comes to the Promise Collection of books as they clearly did not follow the same grading playbook which makes me wonder if the choice of the submittor/consignor auction venue had anything at all to do with this.  

All I know is that as a bidder for some of these books, whether they be the Jon Berk books or the Promise Collection books, and with CGC supposedly being an independent 3rd party certification service, I wish they would just grade the darned books on as accurate and consistent basis as possible, as opposed to seemingly grading the books to their current business agenda of the day.    

What does the grade matter? Isn’t it about the book not the number in the upper left! 😇

42 minutes ago, Dark Knight said:

My Promise win..  Really love the cover to this book :). I got smoked out on a few others I had my eye on.  The big whales just devoured their food, luckily as a mere kelp floating around in the ocean, I managed to get away and snag this copy 

Congratulations, that was my favorite in the 6th round. You were relentless!

I had 2 books in the auction that did pretty well not like Tim. I also built a nice war chest to bid on some of the Promise books, but after looking at the hi res photos I couldn’t pull the trigger on the books. Dust shadows and miss-cuts just turned me off!

8 minutes ago, fifties said:

I have a question about how quickly comic lots go through on the HA Sunday auctions. This is because I try to figure what time to be near the PC, when a lot I'm interested in comes up.  Would you say 100 comics per hour, or would it be more, or ?  Has anyone timed it, to determine an average, or is there a reference?

You can always set it up to b a phone bidder and they will call you!

8 hours ago, tth2 said:

One of the 9.8 X-Men 1s is the Pacific Coast copy, upgraded from its original 9.6 grade.  The other is the Curator copy, which was graded as a 9.8 the first time it was submitted, and described by the owner as "bone white".

I held both side by side. I owned the PC copy that was upgraded, there is a second. The Curator is a much better 9.8 copy, IMHO!

Certainly was a thrill to watch that thread unfold. I know he is passionate about his books but I hope that he does entertain the thought of selling them someday in his lifetime. It would be terrible if something happened to those gems!

That’s too funny Tim, me too! 

5 minutes ago, tth2 said:

All I know is that every time I see the acronym, I suddenly get a craving for frozen yogurt.

Here’s the ad we ran in CBG! Didn’t remember the Pep 22 but it’s in there.

some info I found while reading through our correspondence. Collection was found in 1976! George the OO worked out of town for 6 months in 1961. The place he bought his books marked some with grease pencil like the SC 31. I guess he picked the ones that didn’t have it because none of the Flash’s did.

It’s been fun looking through all of this stuff I had forgotten how much fun we had.

Best

Here u go DB! First picture is Mike after I kept bugging him about the DC’s. Found the cars. Enjoy!

I have an ad somewhere that I ran in CBG for a lot of the WPA books. If I find it I will post it. If I remember correctly those runs you mentioned were sold to Keith. Most of the Marvel junk was sold to Sparkle City and then ultimately to Brulato. I’m going through my collection and finding things I had totally forgot about. Most aren’t that interesting to anyone but me although they do bring back great memories.

I’ll look for the car pictures I probably have them.

Best

Something I remembered when I saw Eides obit. That was the store that George was selling his books when Mike approached him. Hence when I mentioned his name to Greg he wasn’t  that enthralled!

Best, Tom

I just read that Greg Eides passed. I bought an All Star 55 & 56 from him on eBay. Very nice person until I mentioned Michael’s name!

Hey Dan Cooper what do you know about the Western Penn Collection? 

Thanks to all for putting your books up In this thread. Great to see all the Western Penn goodness that you collectors have enjoyed!

Best

1 hour ago, TeddieMercede said:

Believe this book is still in its original holder. Beautiful book.

If they’re Western Penn and in original holders they have never been manipulated. Just as they were found in the basement of Western Pa.

Great books Microchip but you have a ways to go to corner the market on Captain Marvel 1. I counted 9 in the catalog. As I said earlier in the thread, the OO bought between 10-20 copies of the later 60’s #1’s.

I think the PL on the cover had some breast augmentation! Or the one in the splash had a reduction! 

BigJ: We don’t discriminate in this thread. It was listed by me in the Silver Age but that is because they are the books I was most familiar with. Bring them on! Wonderful way to honor a great pedigree.

I don’t have any holier than thou issues! I think all collectors should b proud of their books and want to show them to others.

39 minutes ago, lou_fine said:

I guess it's really a case of to each, their own, but personally I would have much prefer the books were going through CC as opposed to HA.  

Any bets that if the books were going through CC, there would be far far fewer cases of "damaged" books encased in what are rather obviously and sometimes blatantly overgraded holders.  Think back to the big Jon Berk Auction on CC back in 2017 when we had this wonderful 150+ page "group hug" thread on these very same boards here and as far as I can remember, not a single post about possibly overgraded books while the auction was taking place.  Of course, no real incentive there for CGC since CC is a competitor to their very own affiliated auction house.  

As for an auction catalog, CC also produces one for their Event Auctions like the one they did for the Jon Berk Auction, but definitely not as nicely laid out and formated like the one from Heritage.  As for their auction listing descriptions, they are most definitely the worst by far as in most cases, they just simply list the title, grade, PQ, CGC label notes, and then sort of expect the book to sell itself after that.  Definitely not the all out hype that CL does when it comes to their auction listing descriptions for their Featured Auction books, whereby you are almost tempted to throw in a bid after reading that flowery overblown description of theirs, even though you might have had zero interest in the book to start with. 

Being a bit selfish though, I guess there's also a personal reason why I would have prefer the books to have gone through CC, as opposed to going through Heritage.  I believe the auction would have been done in a slightly different format and rollout which might possibly have made it a bit easier for some of the smaller players with shallower pockets to have a better shot at getting some of these books here.  I also like their 3-minute extended auction format because that 3 minutes is actually a very very long time in the midst of a live auction and I remember winning almost all of my Berk books based upon last minute impulses because that's more than enough time to analyze and decide if you are going to bump your bid up to the next level or not.  

Of course, it would also appear that both auctions had completely different goals in mind.  One of the main purposes of the Jon Berk Auction as he himself had stated at the time, was to pass his collection into the hands of the next generation of comic book collectors to love and care for, similar to how he had been the caretaker for the books for all of those long decades.  With the Heritage Auction of the Promise Collection, I get the distinct feeling that even though it was already an once in a lifetime generational GA OO collection that would have set record prices and also had an overwhelming number of highest graded copies in there right from the start, that was still not good enough for them.  Even with the record dollars expected for the books as they were, if there was even a chance of squeezing that one more last dollar out of the book, risk of potential damage to the book be dammed, let's go ahead and do it.    

Hence, my personal take on it is that if the collection had gone through CC, it would have been better for the comic book hobby place, whereas by going through Heritage, it's better for the comic book marketplace.  

 

As u said “to each their own”

I thought they were in the catalog. They were! We use to joke around that the Bronze Age books would never be worth anything. 😩