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CBCS did go super tight at one point. I noticed it myself.

May I ask the genre of book and the grade range ? Perhaps CBCS is tighter in GA or the low midgrade range or some kind of discernible pattern. Perhaps they view tape, writing, printing defects, etc differently than CGC. I suspect there is good info from your post we can extract. They both go back and forth. CBCS has loose and tight periods now just like CGC does.

I did the same thing with Whiz #1. Sold my restored copy to prepare for an unrestored copy when it hit the market....aaaaaand now I can't afford one.

What I don't understand is how RMA gets hit for being combative and posting too much but Jaydogrules doesn't. Anyhow, I'm not going to go back and forth with him. I think most people see where I'm coming from and also agree with my points. I've done what I set out to do and that is provide a reasonable view of the facts.

Roy. He's loaded from what I can see. I haven't had a drink all day!

Price drop. If someone is interested I'm very easy to communicate with. I also have a Hulk #181 CGC 9.0 in case someone is looking for one. I'm just not putting it up here because it's listed elsewhere but you can message me if you're looking for a cheaper copy.

Anybody who listened to me 5-6 months ago would have already bought a Hulk #1. Just sayin'

Publicly available sales data says it, including a litany of sales of this book that literally just happened. You are taking an example of a book that looked MUCH nicer than the assigned grade and using it as a data point for your crusade. That is (again) you moving the goal posts and it shows how 'extensive' your research is. All other things being equal, the White paged book will most of the time be chosen 1st and will most of the time fetch more money than a book with inferior PQ. It's not even a question. But more to this point, all things are NOT equal in this example. 1) it's an outlier sale 2) it's likely an outlier sale BECAUSE THE BOOK LOOKED EXCEPTIONAL FOR THE GRADE - anybody who had a smidgen of experience and is intellectually honest would know that eye appeal (or grade potential) will trump PQ EVERY TIME. Example if a COW book will press up to the next grade point it will generally sell for much more than if the book had White pages but did not look good for the grade. 3) the sale may have been influenced not only by eye appeal but also by the recording setting 9.0 that preceded it (which also looked to be improvable). So your example is completely ineffective and it actually invalidates your 'extensive research'.

Going to drop prices on both books. Feel free to drop me a message with any questions or concerns.

Why not just call Clink?

The GA market had cooled off by the early/mid 2000's according to my recollection, where the SA/BA market had heated up again (there was a slight crossover). The roles seemed to reverse again somewhere about 2010 or so IIRC . In 2010, 2011 you could still find GA keys and classic covers sitting around unsold. Am I correct in my recollection?

Yup. I can't believe he got Rick to drop discussing with him. I'm one thing. Rick? That's another whole ball of wax.

It is unassailable logic that the better preserved book is more desired than the less preserved one. Even if it doesn't sell for more, it will sell sooner (all other things being equal including price) but yes, in my experience too, White pages have a stronger draw both price wise and demand wise.

Imagine being a kid, growing up in the late 1950's and seeing this cover. It's impossible for those of us who weren't to imagine what it was like because by the time we were reading comics space travel was common. Even now I find this cover so compelling that I want to read the story.

This is what I've been saying from the beginning. There is more than one factor to consider. You can't just look at something like the 5.0 auction and just assume this is the new price point for 5.0 copies, or that buyers don't care about PQ because it was a COW copy. If someone sees possibility of improvement in a book that book is not selling for market value, it's going to sell well over market regardless of PQ, QP, etc. It didn't hurt that a potentially improvable 9.0 led the way with a record price to create a frenzy as well (I saw the 9.0 in hand and it had many improvable aspects to it)

I forgot about Stegron. That was actually pretty sad to read as a kid. Death Of Captain Marvel, for sure. Solemn event. But the one that keeps coming back to me was the death of Phoenix. That really sunk in for me.

So now you are the Voice for 'most of us'. How can you make a statement like this and expect anyone to take your comments seriously ? Your statements are obviously not well thought out as you continually pull out random statistics to sound impressive. You have single handedly ruined this, and other, threads with your ridiculous comments in order to pump up books you own. Please consider taking a break from posting. We need a rest. I tried to tell him politely.

A CGC 9.4 sold in Heritage for $430 this past Sunday. That's pretty strong dough for a CGC 9.4

As with all books, there have been slight pull backs after surging. That's a normal market behavior. AF #15 pulled back several times after surging forward. As did BB #28 and Hulk #1. And then all moved forward again once plateauing for a bit. Hulk #1 and AF #15 seemed to be doing well in the last month with AF #15 continuing to lead the way and Hulk #1 also building strength after some weakness last Nov-Dec (record prices for CGC 8.5, 7.5 in the last CC auction and the Clink 7.0 sitting at $36K - about 10% over what they used to sell at). I'd guess a Hulk #1 in 8.0 should approach $100K at this point. Showcase #4 seems to have plateaued a bit, at least at 7.5 with a$78K and $72K sale last year and the Clink $76K sale last month and the $84K sale of SC #4 8.0 last August.

They sure are; at this point I think CGC should just throw in the towel and go back to the old design. They could simply expand the size of the well to what it was two designs ago and use materials in the sleeve and slab that don't interact and cause visible effects. The latest slab that you have does not cause waviness to my knowledge. I've had several hundred books slabbed since the latest change. There is no pressure exerted on the book so no forces that would cause a wave. From what my experience tells me, it's more likely that your book has a wave in it pre slabbing and that is what you are seeing.

I've always noticed 2 different phenomena about sharply rising price. Either 1) there is a lot of low grade and mid grade price build up making a foundation for higher grade copies, which if they don't come to market can seemingly 'explode' in price - making it look like it's a new record when in fact the market was ripe and ready for a high grade copy to hit the market. I remember when I bought the X-men #1 CGC 9.4 Mound City copy, everyone was shocked that the book sold for $107K in 2009 because a copy had never sold for that price but I bid it up to that price feeling that this was the actual market price for this book at that time based on how lower grade copies had appreciated. So for me it wasn't a surprise. Or, the other way it happens is 2) A big, high grade record triggers the market for a particular book and quickly it becomes much more sought after, driving up the price. BB #28 in 9.0 did it a few years ago. What was seemingly forever a slow moving, $10,000 book (or less) sold for $30K, setting a panic in the market for people to find a copy before the price went out of reach. A 9.2 sold for $100K or thereabouts. Now you'd be lucky to find an 8.5 copy for under $40K. AF #15 sold for $227K in a Comiclink sale in 2007 or 2008 and panic set in and the book exploded in price causing all lower grade copies to climb. ----------------------------------------------- In this case, the CC Hulk #1 sale of $330K for a 9.2 opened people's eyes and started a price climb. I'll admit that was an extremely sharp price jump on your chart, but there are a few things to remember about that data. 1) the book started moving in June 2014 when Metro made the big 9.2 sale, not in August. That really lit a fire under it. I was fortunate enough to buy a 9.0 copy in that month of June and when I shopped it around people laughed at my new price point and still wanted to buy the book for $110K (the old price point) 2) there where several other noteworthy sales of Hulk #1 after the 9.2 sale to establish the market. For example, Storms eventually sold my 9.0 copy for $178K in July. The people who laughed at the new price point all of a sudden wanted a shot at the 9.0 copy at the new price point. And there were multiple copies selling at the new 'price points' in various grades so by the time your 3.0 copies started selling, and the price info had trickled down to lower grade copies, it seemed like it was 'overnight' but it had been building for months. 3) it always takes a little time for the 'rising tide' to affect lower grade copies. So while it looks like on your chart the 3.0 double in price during your flight, there was actually a lot happening in the market before it registered as a blip in lower grade copies.

Marvel Chipping is ALWAYS factored into the grade. It just has a more negative effect in the higher grades. As the grade drops, more defects are allowed in lower grades without the grade being affected. For example, if you have a 3.0 book with some long creases, and you add another crease it doesn't necessarily downgrade the book because there are a lot of 'allowable defects' in the mid VG range. But if you have enough accumulated defects any of those defects could lower the grade. Again, each book is a case by case study.

They seem to be in consistent with dust shadows. For example some of the Berk books in 9.2-9.4 had them. I can't really comment with any great experience as the grading with tanning and dust shadows have always been the most difficult for me to figure out.

Sure, but it all depends on how much MC. I've seen it on 9.4 and 9.6 books but it was so tiny it didn't affect eye appeal. The 5.5 copy had lots.

Thanks. When I made the thread on Friday I was traveling and just finished reading in the Hulk #1` thread so my head was thinking Hulk #1.