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CGC's former head of security was a Police Detective from the North East, and that was many years ago. They're a $Billion company now. I think it's safe to assume they're going to devote some proper resources to this to get it solved and dealt with.

Dude, YOU twisted the meaning of my post and responded to something that had NOTHING to do with you. You tend to overreact often. Relax.

Look man, you don't need to respond to any of this back and forth either. You took the word 'some' and equated it with 'all'. You completely mischaracterized what I said and then went off. You want to streamline the discussion? Stop doing that and everything will be fine. May I suggest reading up on what a false equivalence is?

There is not a single person in this thread who has sugar coated this problem. I'm just trying to put some real life perspective in here as some seem to have lost all sense of it. With that, I'm out for a bit. I look forward to reading 30 new pages when I'm back!

To lump us all as wanting to see them fail is a gross misrepresentation of the facts, and a false equivalence. In your world does some = all? I was neither talking about you NOR to you. This thread is starting to look like a mob so I'll let it breath.

Some people are always sour about CGC and want them to fail. You're on a CGC message board. Of course you're mostly going to hear about CGC problems. The only time you're going to hear about non-CGC problems is if someone posts about them here, and since the raw side of the hobby is probably many times bigger than the certified side of the hobby, you're getting an unequal representation. People need to learn to scale their perspective to reality.

While I agree that everyone needs a wakeup call once in a while that wasn't what I meant by wakeup call and I disagree that CGC isn't a safeguard. That's ridiculous talk. Safeguards remove MOST of the risk. They never remove ALL of the risk. Not even NASA can remove all the risk. Who here thinks that just because a street light turns green you still shouldn't look both ways before crossing the street? People have become dumbed down and the idiocracy is real. People need to sharpen their pencils a little and think before they walk. That street light changing removes 99% of the risk. It's on you to work with the remaining 1% risk.

That's a question for Clink, but if I had something like that pass through my hands I'd do what I could to make it right. You can't sanitize the planet. Drivers are all licensed (certified) to drive and many things like injuries still happen. Insurance companies and authorities levy up heavy fines to try to reduce these injuries and yet they still happen. People wear seatbelts and have airbags and injuries still happen. That's why I drive defensively, to minimize MY risk. Caveat Emptor. Buyer beware. The world is not your friend, so educate yourself and navigate the world with some aforethought and you will GREATLY reduce your chances of being injured. This is a wakeup call for everyone and we all need those from time to time. Nobody is exempt because nobody is perfect. Also, BINGO!

I know what I said, and others believe the same thing that I do. From my experience, I was under the impression a reholder meant a proper reholder and had no reason to believe otherwise and I assume that if there's a mistake with the interior of the book that the interior would get checked, like in the case of the MJ insert. I am pretty meticulous in areas that call for it and expect the same but I also have stated that I'm happy to be wrong, so I'm not sure what your point is?

Sorry drotto, while I would love to believe you, the only way to prove that it has the MVS now seems to be cracking it open. Since CGC slabs have lost their credibility. To be fair, CGC slabs FROM THIS SELLER have lost ALL their credibility. That doesn't mean every slab is automatically problematic. I understand, you don't know which are which out in the wild, but just as when we saw the counterfeit labels in the NW earlier this year that were caught by more experienced dealers, buying from a reputable dealer greatly reduces your chances of a problem with the sale over all. I would have NO problem buying slabs from reputable dealers even now. Guys like Storms, Ritter, myself and many other dealers and auction houses have great eyes for this sort of thing. If I had any hesitancy, all I need to do is inquire whether they were slabbed or not by that dealer (I directly slab 99.9% of my books), or, if the dealer remembers where they got the book from. Reputable dealers have a LOT of experience with grading and slabs and can remove a lot of the worry that this new problem has brought to the marketplace. This definitely is a problem, but this is a drop in the ocean as far as the entire pool of CGC graded books out there, and buying from reputable people OR knowing how to spot these things eliminates a majority of the relatively small risk left that thieves will always exploit in any field. If you're buying your things from someone inexperienced, or worse from a dark alley, you greatly reduce your chances of success...which is EXACTLY how the previous counterfeit slabs came to market earlier this year. This guy has what? 285 eBay feedback linked to these sales? It's not like there are 10,000 feedback and compared to 10 Million books graded, it's not an insurmountable obstacle to resolve by CGC.

CGC will have this info on their end.

Blame that on WB for tampering with the roadmap Zack Snyder was building out. Including the 'Dawn of Justice' Snyder and Terrio didn't want to use, but were told to work with. I had no idea there was this infighting happening. I just always felt like something was off about this movie, because it felt rushed and disjointed. This explains why. If you know of any easy links to read up on this I'd appreciate it.

You make great points. Rare for you, but I have to admit it.

An Avengers vs X-men film would be a total waste of IP much like B v S was a waste. They rushed that movie and could have built a multi-movie universe out of it instead. Disney is hurting financially and that makes me nervous about their intentions as desperate people don't make good decisions so here's hoping they don't rush it.

He indeed is , as we all are ! Prayers for everyone ! He liked my post so he's reading this thread.

A guy who trimmed books? I think his list of submissions did get out, although I suppose not officially from CGC. CGC released a list of serial numbers on these forums and asked people with books within those numbers to send them in for inspection to verify them.

Nah, just teasing. Fanboy jokes are the bomb around here! I'm a lifelong fanboy so I can tease my own kind.

This would be REALLY difficult to do on a repeated basis. Maybe on a one-off submission, someone might say something like "oops, got these out late, can you handle them" but to repeatedly get favors? No way. I have a hard time seeing it. CGC is too large to do little things like this for one person, especially without raising red flags. Your box shows up with literally 1000's of other boxes per day, get opened up by a receiving crew, get sorted through another crew, and off to the proper department to get dealt with by other various crews. Getting insider treatment on a regular basis is next to impossible in a factory the size of CGC. Far too complex.

Can you summarize the video? I'm kind of tired of watching a bunch of fanboys lathering each other up while spreading 10 mins of information into 2 hours. If this guy was REHOLDERING 1000's of books, that would be an obvious flag so I'd like to see some proof of this rather than just guess like this.

This is how I understood it as well, and argued as such for the first 20 pages (that the book would need to be inspected to verify the MJ insert before adding the designation on the label). That may have changed with cost cutting or reducing turnaround times, but I was under the same impression as you on this.

The amount of white on the right can change depending on how the spine is positioned in the holder, if the spine is moved at all (like a spine roll) or the spine can move with just a simple pressing. The rest of the matching defects are the real tell.

Borock's reasoning for having a discussion forum was always that it was much better to have the conversation in your front yard, where you can be aware of it than on some far corner of the internet where you can't. He was also really good at addressing public matters in a timely manner. I'm sure we'll hear something before Friday hits. Leaving this thread without a response through the holiday weekend is probably not a good idea.

They started scanning books because of a similar fraud that happened in the NW this year. People were caught manufacturing labels that didn't match the books. Short of a book damaged from encapsulation, the case doesn't cause damage. Poor handling of a CGC graded book damages the book in the case. If you throw a book across the room and it gets damaged while in the case that's not the case's fault.

I can see AI being used to prevent, or at least catch or highlight fraud in the future. I can't see it EVER replacing graders. There's too much involved with grading a 3 dimensional object like a book with many pages for just a program to do on it's own.

As someone who has gone from being a small time submitter to a large time submitter, I can say that undergrading and overgrading always happens in BOTH directions. You just don't hear about it much on here, but in the background a lot of dealers discuss these things amongst ourselves. Buyers complain about the overgrades. Sellers complain about the undergrades. That seems to happen to a lot of large collections (Lost Valley, Promise, Church) where the books sometimes seem to get favorable grades. Maybe there is a Ped bump? Maybe the graders are just geeks excited at seeing a new collection with rare books and they're more favorable toward them? I have a hard time accepting that some submitters get favorable grades over others, because if this was happening, you'd hear about various huge submitters calling each other out for it, and I personally have never heard such a story and I don't think anybody else has, either. Heck, if anyone has been submitting for more than a few years, you'll all remember back when we could get grading notes for books before the books were shipped and WE ALL used to call and complain but complaining got me nowhere. I used to think some submitters had favor with CGC and even accused CGC directly of doing it but I've learned it's all just luck of the draw and time / place. You have good days and bad days just like everything else in life. CGC's main service is their impartiality and if that collapses, the hobby is done like a tinderbox because all the money that built it will dissolve, so the IMPARTIALITY is what needs to be guarded above all else.