grapeape

On 8/3/2018 at 4:53 PM, The Voord said:

Ah Ha, are they still going?

Nah uh 

3 hours ago, comicjack said:

Jim Mooney was in his twenties when he did that slash and he kept it up into his eighties 

Great man and terrific artist. He did have trouble selling some of his art. Some pieces meant a lot to him. 

41 minutes ago, vodou said:

I'm not.

I lost my Bros Virginity when they tricked Frank Miller into signing Captain America Annual #5 cover art even though it's Ed Hannigan and he's stated so publicly (on Comicart-L).

https://www.comicartfans.com/ForSaleDetails.asp?ArtId=407222

They even twisted GCD's arm into changing the correct credits to falsely back up their 'claim'.

Indexer Notes

Miller pencils confirmed by signature on original art. Info per Cory Sedlmeier. Previous indexer credited Ed Hannigan.

https://www.comics.org/issue/34974/

This was all like ten years ago, probably more; I've been done with them ever since. Full stop.

Los Bros S H A M E

I forgot about this. I can’t keep track of all the shenanigans. Although there is a main thread about Los Bros it’s good for some of these latest grievances to show up on a fresh thread.

Im angry for Khazano and sorry for him. These wipes are messing with a key ingredient that comic art collectors desire. One of a kind art, fully disclosed and honesty in representation.

My buddy Vodou—-he mentions the “Miller” cover. Outrageous and we have seen a pattern,  a fetid legacy of cautionary tales. Due diligence is on us though. Question everything. Auction houses make “mistakes” all the time in attributing artistic credit. eBay auctions are robust with inaccurate postings.

We joke all the time. This is no joke. Los Hermanos Del “ask my brother” are laughable but mostly harmless when they tell us to inquire or quote 3x 5x 10x real value on pieces. Well maybe not harmless as they make stale a chunk of nice art.

When art is misrepresented, altered, and artists credits are deliberately manipulated you’re hurting the market and the collector. No bueno.

signed on my high horse 

21 minutes ago, vodou said:

Maybe OP should change the thread title to name the piece by artist/title/number - that will really make it stand out for what it is. And it's pretty important this stuff is paid attention to, not just for the guy that they eventually sucker for the line of suckers that will follow into perpetuity. Anybody that can defend them, in other deals/situations while this stuff goes on simultaneously...should be publicly admonished/shamed too. I write that because there are some apologists out there for The Bros., along the lines of "well, they are difficult to deal with but I've never seen them pass fakes". Well. Wrong. Here you go: This Thread.

Bingo. Blinders off. 

1 minute ago, Khazano said:

Here's mine... The proof really is in just comparing their recreation to the published version. On the recreation, none of Venom's scars or shadows line up with the published version at all. (Heck, nothing lines up with the published version on theirs. Where as mine is obviously dead on.) 

This a loathsome practice these two have unleashed on the comic art community. I don’t buy from them but like you I dread every time they sell something like this. Dread more the day they realize they’ve been had.

i certainly feel for you owning the legit cover. You’re working hard to explain yours is the legit cover. Those two are working just hard enough to deceive the buying public.

If you are tired of these two place the word SHAME in any post about them!!!

21 minutes ago, Khazano said:

http://www.coollinesartwork.com/Featured.asp?Piece=308697

Well, another day, another thread about one of the Donellys brothers being crooks. Ive sent them an email about it. But history has taught it will fall on deaf ears. 

They're passing off a recreation of a cover I own as the real deal. This recreation was made YEARS after Ultimate Spider-Man 36 was published. (And Im pretty sure was commissioned by a board member here.)

It is not the FINAL cover as they state. They've added logos to a recreation and labeled it the "FINAL" cover. IE They are looking for a dupe. Buyers PLEASE be aware. 

No shaming Los Bros but we might as well keep trying. Love to see your cover to compare.

5 minutes ago, comix4fun said:

Think he'll take my cardigan in trade? 

I have 1000 A Ha cassettes in their original seal that weren’t sold. I got them when we bought a Tower Records Inventory. Can I trade those for a page?

who am I kidding...?....I was 18 when that song-video came out. Not gonna lie I still try (fail) to hit that high note..

2 hours ago, Blastaar said:

Ok, so I decided to post the commission but whited out the artist's name. Again, he is a great guy, easy to talk to, and I will probably reach out again some day. Just think he was having an off day plus it was on the cheaper end of commission prices. I'm trying to fall in love with it, put it in a frame.....but I think this one is going into storage

Also below is the image I gave for inspiration to the artist. 

 

 

 

 

If this were drawn for me at a con by an artist that gave it to me gratis I would cherish it. I would always remember the 3 minutes he took to scribble it for me.

I understand your disappointment not terrible but far from the artists best I’m sure.

43 minutes ago, Blastaar said:

OBJ not having it 

4 minutes ago, Chicago Boy said:

Thx for the insight grapeape ! 

My pleasure....I'm not an expert but for valuation I think Vince at Metropolis or Heritage Auctions is a good place to start. I don't work for either one ha ha. I would love to know more about it later. Like if you obtain the page, own the page or sell the page. Jim Mooney was one of our very best artists. This is really gorgeous art work.

If you own and want to sell please take it to auction. It could be a sleeper. Granted Lash Lightning is not Superman. However how many excellent super hero splashes from 1942 are floating around? Please let me know even if its through PM. This is a fascinating piece of art.

36 minutes ago, Chicago Boy said:

Any thoughts on what this might be worth ?  1941-43 ??  Sure Fire or Lightning Comics ? 

Probably April of 1942. Volume 2 issue 6......In that issue Lightning battled the Eel.....I don't have the comic to confirm but....It's a beautiful Splash. I would think at least $9-15 K starting bid? I can't find price point data, past sales of similar. Contact Metropolis Comics on this one.

Used to be Flash Lightning but changed to Lash Lightning to avoid problems with The Flash. It's really a sweet splash. Below I believe is the comic the splash comes from. The entirety of art is credited to Jim Mooney for the Eel story art.

2 hours ago, dirtymartini1 said:

Does the artist owe you money or are you the Message board sheriff?  Maybe we should go protest outside of Fugits house until we shame him into doing what you want.  FUGIT,  I want the apology to be in the form of a Haiku. It evokes more sincerity and thought. Get writing!

Sorry I also want you to give us 3 Our Fathers and a Hail Mary or you better now show your face around these parts again!

The guy goes by Fuggit...FUGGIT

No ones shaming Fuggit into anything I suspect.

7 hours ago, Rick2you2 said:

Just to be clear, I only responded to his snotty comments. I wasn’t planning to continue.
That attitude, however, gives hobbyists a bad name. If artists think that sort of behavior is commonplace, prices for commissions will go up as artists have to include the risk of nonpayment in their pricing for commissions or just refuse them without prepayment. With prepayment comes the risk that the commission will get done “eventually”, or maybe never.

As to that image, Purple Drank isn’t 100% of anything.

Rick I hear you but this is a one off. That one interaction going south is not representative of most commissions. My position is clear. A deal is a deal. I would eat a loss even if I didn’t love the finished product.

Ive always paid the artist before a single line was drawn. I don’t like to waste an artists time. I trust the artist maybe more than I should but it’s worked for me.

In Fuggits case, this transaction feels wonky from the get go. There’s more to the story then we’ve heard I suspect.

But the buyer who “stiffed” the artist goes by the name Fuggit....

FUGGIT

He got away with one, he doesn’t give a Fugg....

In a handshake deal one guy did the work, the guy who agreed to paying reneged. So I respect the artists opinion the most. Without a written contract an artist should collect at least 50% up front in my opinion. If upon presentation of the finished art the collector balks at paying the rest the artist keeps the up front money for time and effort. 
Then he can sell that piece to another collector.

Mr. Scott Williams Anything I would commission from you I would pay you up front. I would trust you would give me your best. If for some reason I wasn’t blown away, I would just give it time.

Thats the beauty of art. I think of Moebius, whose art I detested as a teenager. There are drawings I once loathed that today I would give ( insert any boardie name here but mine) a left ball to own one of those drawings today.

Art does that....images you don’t like when seen in a different frame of mind can be images you fall in love with.

And yes purple drank you ain’t all that !!!

38 minutes ago, exitmusicblue said:

No one's dead !!!

We're all ghosts of the Rue De Morte

3 hours ago, fuggit said:

Y'all are effing vultures here. And it's so unwarranted lmao. I remember why this place is dead.

This place is not dead !!!!!!

DJ. Play that beat upside down !!!

1 hour ago, Rick2you2 said:

I am not an artist, and have virtually no artistic skills. But, I am a man of my word. Try it sometime.

And by the way, where is this piece from hell you keep complaining about? Or maybe you just decided you didn't want to spend $4,000 after ordering it, hmmm...?

Ok Rick lay off the guy. You want to see the art? There it is? You pay 4 K for that !!!

4 hours ago, PhilipB2k17 said:

First, I was referring to "Batman" in the generic sense, not the "Title of the Comic" sense. But, still, is this a fair comp?

https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/neal-adams-and--giordano-batman-stacked-cards-book-and-record-set-pr-27-cover-original-art-power-records-/a/7187-91002.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

Sold for $31,000 a year ago. Are we expecting the #251 cover to go for 20 times that?

Some of us are yes

41 minutes ago, Rick2you2 said:

I don’t see that as an artist’s screw up at all. There are way too many stories of artists getting payment up front and then not performing. I don’t offer it, anymore, and would think hard about ever doing it again. I generally don’t get asked, either.

Mostly kidding Rick—screw up in that most artists take money before the commission. Artists would waste a lot of time working in commissions and then asking for money after completing the work. People change their minds at the drop of a hat. 
in saying the artist screwed up I’m really telling the person who changed his mind on the four K piece got lucky.

it usually doesn’t work that way.

29 minutes ago, Rick2you2 said:

Why did you think it was super ugly? Did you approve preliminaries?  I ask this because if it were well done, but you didn’t like the way it was posed or it “just didn’t seem right”, and if I were the artist, I would be pissed off, too. Were you able to articulate specifics to him so that the artist didn’t think he was being hosed? I am a fan, not an artist, but I am still curious about the whole situation.

The artist screwed up. Should have collected some earnest money up front. Fair point about “ugly”—-  specifically where did the artist go wrong?

Hey cheers 4 K is a lot of dough and somehow you managed to see the finished product without being on the hook financially.

2 hours ago, Bronty said:

I don't think you can assume that.     Purchases big and small are all motivated differently.

You have to read my mind Bronty. You see I plan on winning the lottery and outbidding everyone. The reason I am sure it won't resurface is my will demands it be entombed with my body in a booby trapped tomb in an undisclosed location.

4 hours ago, BCarter27 said:

Agreed. And as I mentioned in the other thread, I wouldn't want to be holding this piece past about $350K. I think there are better Marvel trophies to be had above that price point. But I think Heritage will game this out to the tune of $500-600K BP included.

The person that buys this won’t care in the least about price point now or how much they can sell it for 10-20 years from now. The person that buys this will have spent “Because I can” dollars.

You won’t see this cover for auction again in my lifetime or yours. Well at least in my life time.

30 minutes ago, PhilipB2k17 said:

Any guesses on the 2000 AD #2 (First Judge Dredd 5 page story appearance)?

I'm a massive Dreddhead, so this is grail territory for me. But, how will this play ion a US comic art auction? 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/mike-mcmahon-2000-ad-2-judge-dredd-first-appearance-complete-5-page-story-original-art-ipc-total-5-/p/7212-234003.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

I wondered the same thing. For the history and the art it’s a once and a life time buy for the right collector. I love the artwork on this.

4 hours ago, Jay Olie Espy said:

I predict that during the live auction Neal Adams activates a remote device that releases the art from its frame and into a shredder 🖼 

Banksy Adams gets us again!!!!

2 hours ago, NamesJay said:

My guess is going to be $537,000

$605,000 with BP

48 minutes ago, Bronty said:

I’ve had three commissions done so far.    One was 700, one was 1600, one was 7k.

The $1600 job was professional and well done and I feel I got exactly what I paid for and was happy with the result.    The $700 job, the artist went above and beyond and just nailed exactly what I wanted.    The $7k job didn’t turn out the way I wanted.   He put in the work and he tried to listen to what I wanted but in the end it was a swing and a miss.   

You never know what you’re going to get and if they did the work, you take the bad with the good.

Great examples! It is Telling that 7 K produced the least satisfactory result for you. There’s a lesson in there.