PhilipB2k17

Yes, but a Frazetta is great because people love the art. Tastes could change, but that’s why people buy Frazetta. Nobody is buying the black lotus because they love the art and want to gaze at it every day.

I don’t want to be snobby. People say the same about comic art. I just think it’s a bubble due to a very frothy, immature market.

But if you can buy a Frazetta Conan cover for the same price, give me the Frazetta.

Fair enough. Not all trolls personally insult other posters. But all those who personally insult other posters are trolls.

You are posting this on an Original Comic Book Art message board full of people who have experience pricing one of a kind pages. The Black Lotus painting is being priced like a Frazetta fantasy book cover painting, in an extremely immature market. Excuse me for being extremely skeptical. I get that its the holy grail of MTG. But, if you have that painting, and want to sell it, you take it over to Sothebys, or Heritage. You don't fuss around on the Facebook MTG message boards.

Just wait a year.

Is a “borderline” troll someone who doesn’t hurl personal insults? That would make a “troll” someone who does.

Well, I suggest you folks go corner the market on MTG art, then.

You started an entire thread just to attack a comment by Comixforfun that was made on a locked thread. And you are calling me a troll?

I personally don't care. The sign of a serious bubble is people paying these kinds of prices for items in an extremely immature market. Comic OA has a mature auction and sales market. MTG card art doesn't.

Like the person who finds a beat up copy of Action #1 in his grandmother's attic, and thinks it's worth $3.8 million.

Fair enough. Maybe the person is deluded.

Maybe so. But MTG cards are valuable because they are still playable, correct? And some of these valuable ones are also rare. You can't play the Lotus painting in a MTG game.

I explained why. MTG art is a very immature market, so any serious cash money offer for the Black Lotus painting (We're talking Action #1 CGC 8.0 money), would be accepted in a heartbeat. It's theoretical.

It's not plausible, because if it were offered, it would have been accepted. How do I know this? Because the auction market for MTG art is, Underdeveloped" at best. It's not like someone turning down $2.5 mil for the Hulk 181 cover. You have a pretty good idea what that would go for based upon auction sales, etc. And, I dare say, that if the owner of the Hulk #181 cover was offered $2.5 million outside of an auction, they might well take it. That's 3 times the value of the Hulk 180 1st appearance panel page, and no item of OA has hit 7 figures in an auction setting, yet. (The rumored private 7 figure sales, notwithstanding).

So, in other words, there is nothing but word of mouth sales outside of the auction house, and this claim the owner received a $2,5 million offer for it is apocryphal, at best.

I do not believe, for one solitary second, that the owner of the Black Lotus painting turned down $2.5 million for it. If that were the case, why isn’t this guy submitting it to an auction house?

A lot of dealers now have eBay pages, and do most of their selling there. Just, food for thought.

What if you don't use CAF?

Again. All of this requires using CAF’s somwhat cumbersome process. It should be separated from CAF in some way.

Yep. See my comment about divorcing it from being CAF dependant. That creates an ingrown bias toward people with large CAF galleries, or those who use CAF regularly. Most newer collectors don’t.

This goes to my previous comment.

I’d divorce it from being CAF dependant.

Gulp.

A similar rough Conan sketch by Frazetta, with Conan holding a sword, got $1700 at Hake’s in 2012. A much more detailed full body Conan sketch in a similar pose (with C resting on a sword) went for $8900 in 2008 at heritage. A Conan bust sketch went for $1500 in 2016 at Heritage. I think this would go for $3-5K, but I can see a bidding war driving it up much higher just because it’s a Frazetta Conan drawing and these don’t come up very often. Assuming it’s authentic, and it appears it is.