PhilipB2k17

Well, aside from a clear Sal B bias in the collecting world (I love Sal B, too). I am trying to get an objective evaluation.

Cap Annual #13. And the GCD says Sal only did breakdowns on that page, not full pencils.

Based on what? Please explain.

Compare these two pages. One (to the left) is by Sal Buscema (an currently sitting at the Comic Link auction on $579, and will probably go for at least $750). The other (to the right) is by Arvel Jones. I posted the original version of the page to the right in another thread about what constitutes a "B" page, etc. Which one do you think is better (taking the tone of the scans out of it).

Please note. Not a single person, who claims to have known the art was legit, said so in response to my OP. (Other than daily I g, they vouch for Ruben). They got pissy pantsed over the mere questioning that their old pal Ruben might not have what he says he has posted for sale. Let’s not pretend this was anything other than a pile on, freak out, to defend the old boys hobby network. This is the last comment Im making on this, as I see the ridiculous overreaction to my post has continued unabated. I did nothing wrong. I’m not apologizing.

No it’s not. The comparison is fatuous and hyperbolic.

I didn’t delete. I added updates. I changed the headline too.

Do people here even know what the word “alleged” means?

Why would a seller tell me it’s fake, or questionable, if they are advertising otherwise? And what if the artist is dead or not responding to emails? Or, what if you have no clue how to get in touch with the artist?

Again, why? The seller is not going to say they are fake, or are questionable. Either because they honestly believe they aren’t, or because they are scamming. With sketches, how the bell does Ruben know where they are from unless, like Mike pointed out, he got them directly from the artist, or the artist themselves confirm their authenticity. But even the latter isn’t fool proof as even folks like Neal Adams get fooled on sketches sometimes. I updated the OP with the info both Ruben & Frenz camp told me. What else do you want me to do?

It depends on what’s being advertised. If you’re advertising the prelim sketches for the cover to ASM 252, then yes. If it’s just a random convention headshot sketch, then no. But, IVE STILL SEEN PEOPLE POST RANDOM HEAD SHOT SKETCHES HERE. Moreover, if you are considering buying said unpublished art for a lot of money, and have questions about it, why shouldn’t you ask knowledgeable people here about it?

Actually, what’s really going on is that people who are buddies with Ruben got offended that someone questioned the provenance of the stuff he was selling. And Mike is correct, all I asked was whether anyone here thought this was authentic. I thought that’s what this board was for? It’s new to me that I first have to contact the seller (as if he’s going to say “No. Totally fake! It’s a scam, you caught me.”) or the artist (assuming I even know where to ask or how). I seem to recall actually doing some due diligence on some art and letting Malvin know my findings in sone CAF messages. He thanked me. Now I’m a villain? I see people post questions like that about pieces here all the time. And these were being advertised as THE prelim sketches for one of the most iconic Spider-Man covers. Not just some rando drawing. My post was legit. And the whiny criticism of it (and ad hominem attacks on my character) are beneath the dignity of most of the people who posted that nonsense. So, thank you Mike for being objective and seeing my post for what it was, and not as a personal attack’s on someone Dealer buddy One last point: I find it hard to believe that my asking this question reduces the value of these pieces. I’m not a major player in this hobby. But, even if it did, that’s the risk you take selling sketches that you cannot demonstrate have provenance other than your say so. I didn’t make up that rule. That’s the way the world works. You try selling some random squiggles on notebook paper as a Picasso, and someone is going to ask questions about it, even if you’re Sotheby’s.

The Junkie conspiracy is yours, Gene. It ain’t mine.

I think on IG pages the gap is going to close eventually. Perez just doesn’t have the same cache with younger collectors as he does with Copper & Bronze focused collectors. And the quality of the pages isn’t that different. Lim did a nice job on Infinity Gauntlet, and drew some of the more iconic images.

I would if I had the money.

The Perez pages might be! But, you could make an argument that IG pages are extremely undervalued from where they will be in 5-10 years. Might be a good investment tp pick up some of the good Lim pages, as I think collectors down the road will not put much of a premium on the Perez pages.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/08/31/marvel-half-million-infinity-gauntlet/ "Marvel Has Sold Half a Million Infinity Gauntlet Trade Collections."

I think that is more true for the more high end collectors than for us Ham and Eggers. But, that said, my purchase of a page at Heritage last year (low/mid 3 figures, LOL!) seems to have re-set the market on similar art!

I have a hard time believing that the original purchasers of this Key art did not know it was stolen. Nobody outside of the hobby was buying this stuff back then.

It's pretty sad that I will likely never own a Perez Infinity Gauntlet page that nice.

People don't usually disclose how much they paid for something (unless it's a public auction), because of three reasons: 1. They overpaid, and don't want to get criticized for overpaying (or be embarrassed); 2. They may, at some point, sell the page and don't want anyone to know what they have put into it. 3. They don't want to disclose their business to strangers on the internets (or at conventions). This is kind of a personal question for hobbyists.

Well, I never said I wasn't irritating.

I don’t remember what I said in that thread. But lots of people thought that. And I am not so well placed in the hobby that I could influence anything. Which is why complaining about this thread is weird.

Try reading what I actually wrote before responding to my comments. It makes the conversation flow better.