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1 hour ago, skrilla1212 said:

I picked up the other one.

The one you picked up is worth every penny...Congratulations!

Thank you for sharing the link. I was tempted. But, then I saw the page you scored. And, I closed the wallet...

$1,800.00 for the remaining page is still a 'reasonable' BUY...

The page is a BUY at $7,000.00 USD...Est. valuation, $7,500.00 to $9,000.00 USD.

It does not legitimately 'sell' today in this eBay auction. It is certainly being offered in the 'wrong' venue...this early showing has perhaps (only slightly) negatively impacted the perceived value of the page...

I like this page...

So, this Batman 457 2nd print Newsstand sits unsold on eBay, with a $5k asking price, or best offer...

What do you all think is a 'reasonable' estimated valuation for this example??...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/173859590723

On 4/10/2019 at 5:05 PM, bluechip said:

Just so we're clear, I'm guessing you would tell me not to have this Buscema piece colored?   

Wrong again...

Just so we're clear, going forward, as your attorney, I am telling you to cut this Buscema piece into three sections. The first being just the top panel with the right hand side downward arrow included. The second being the middle panel. And the third being the bottom panel.

It is in your best financial interest to then have each cut panel hand colored by anyone. Preferably Steve Oliff, Lynn Varley, Frank Miller, Bob Layton, or even Barry Smith if possible. Have each colorist prominently sign the panel which they colored somewhere in the art area with a Sharpie(kindly allow them the option of selecting the ink color).

This next step is crucial...list each finished panel separately in a no reserve auction approximately four months apart. Place the first with eBay, the second with Comic Link, and the third with Heritage Auctions. Ensure that you understand exactly how much each panel is worth and enlist your friends/family to bid up the panels to that dollar amount. 

After you win each auction, you can either have them posted for sale on ComicConnect or on your very own original comic art dealer website. Regardless of platform, the NEW asking price for each panel must be marked up approximately 2-3X what you respectively paid to win each one back. Be certain to offer timed payments as well as offering to accept trade credit towards any panel or piece. After all, this is only fair.

Now, there are only 2 graded...

1 hour ago, delekkerste said:

The sigs in the art area are ugly, and for someone to have had them placed there in the last few years (not long ago, before people knew better) is pretty inexcusable. I mean, *nobody* gets sigs in the actual art area anymore

I agree with Gene.

...this "fine" example occurred during last year's Alamo City Con...The Governator, in blue Sharpie...

The show opens at 10 a.m...should the 'First-Thing-Is-First-Mignola' attendee be in line at the door by 8 a.m.??...

Who remembers a line at the door a couple of hours before open for last year's show?? 

On 3/21/2019 at 7:35 PM, Frank Mozz said:

It sold at Heritage last August for 60k

Regarding the 'valuation' of Conan The Barbarian #5 cover art by Barry Windsor Smith...

$60k includes the Final Bid & Buyer's Premium. But, that price does not include the buyer's State Sales Tax charge, if it sold to a buyer in a taxed state, and nevermind shipping & insurance costs if it was mailed...

...Maybe, with all the trimmings, the cost was ~$65k(?).

While I do not subscribe to a singular  'Silver Bullet' explanation or theory as to why a page of ART may sell for different prices one day to the next, I would agree that at least two critical variables are likely to influence THIS auction resulting in a 'minor' net loss...those two variables being the Venue and proximity to prior sale.

I absolutely do not agree with the argument that the lack of Buyer's Premium and State Sales Tax will encourage potential bidders to bid beyond $60k on this specific piece of art. And, if you tell me that this Venue is better able to 'market' this cover than the 'competition', then I also respectfully disagree.

Regardless of the final bid, this result is not one that I would use to strictly price any BWS Conan the Barbarian pieces I may be holding. For full disclosure, I do not own ANY BWS Conan original comic book art. And, I do not wish to own any during this lifetime. 

If there is no reserve, nor any yet to be revealed 'mitigating circumstances', then the cover will break $54k, but stop short of $61k...

On 2/19/2019 at 8:05 AM, Bird said:

I tweeted to Mike asking him to hold off on selling to the dealers until show ends, hopefully he will consider that.

Did Mike tweet back?

8 minutes ago, Michaeld said:

Am I to assume you were the original owner?

No. I was not the original owner...

Jungle Comics #31, Dan Zolnerowich cover, only 3 Universal labels on the census...

7 hours ago, tth2 said:

Without knowing more about the books, particularly PQ and QP, it's hard to say whether the price differential might be legit or not.  If the cheaper copy has OW pages and is a miswrapped monstrosity typical of the period, and the more expensive copy has W pages and is perfectly wrapped and perfectly square, I could see a basis for the difference. 

I failed to download the individual scans of the two books. As best as I can remember, the page quality was different. But, I am not certain which one possessed the 'higher' quality. Both books were under Universal 'blue' labels. As far as the wrap difference, I vaguely recall that one of the books had a very minor and ununiform miswrap, but, again I am not certain which one possessed greater alignment. 

Found this today...a clipping from an old CBG in the late 90's...

7 hours ago, tth2 said:

Probably the same reason they don't allow their comic results to go onto GPA. 

Their 'reasons' are meaningless to everyone but themselves and arbitration...

It is unsettling to imagine what CLink CGC graded comic book 'sales' results would do to the GPA data...when so many 'speculators' & would-be 'flippers' of the book you are selling denegrates your asking price by quoting what the last example 'sold' for according to GPA.

I appreciate GPA & HA distinguishing between non-HA 'sales' with a link to the sold item page. In countless examples, especially for certain lesser valued books, the outlying GPA sales result has been lower than the averages, when the book was 'sold' via HA. This phenomenon is presumably a reflection of bidders taking into account the impending sales tax(?).[Shouldn't sales tax be included in the data point calculation?]

CLink doesn't collect sales tax as broadly as HA...so, what is this 'recent' 'sold' auction example a reflection of??...page quality difference, perhaps. But, it is certainly not a reflection of their consistent ability to achieve record-breaking sales results for their consignors...

Two CGC graded 9.8, X-Men 101's, same auction, days apart...

28 minutes ago, vodou said:

I would think consignors boycotting consigning

If a few dozen or one hundred unique disenfranchised consignors decided to go elsewhere OVERNIGHT to unload their consignments, then I hypothesize that, at least in the short term, only the number of items in a given CL auction would slightly diminish.

Because...because there is a large number of potential consignment items being held in reserve by either the house and/or 'friendly' would-be consignors.

Regarding original comic art consignment material, there are at least a half dozen, active and well known, original art 'dealers' who combined hold enough material to keep the game going for an unnaturally extended amount of time (while still operating their own platforms). Years would be an understatement... 

I guesstimate that a few dozen or one hundred 'genuine' BIDDERS boycotting BIDDING would be detrimental to the house in the short-term, however, the occurance of such an event is significantly closer to being a scientific impossibility...than an equal number of 'genuine' consignors boycotting consigning...

1 hour ago, jjonahjameson11 said:

it would be disadvantageous for old data point to have an influence on a current auction

Disadvantageous??...

As in, it would be disadvantageous to the consignor's net return...??

As in, it would be disadvantageous to the auction house's comission fee...??

As in, it would be disadvantageous to the illusion of consistently achieving 'record breaking' sales results...??

[...because most of what they are 'selling' isn't worth buying, from a certain (price) point of view.]

An auction house choosing to keep bidder's uninformed, or blind, deaf, and mute, and at a bidding, or financial, disadvantage, creates unsavoury optics...

Ultimately, IF any of the desired sales data is found to be compromised from any number of 'potentially corrupt' variables, then the data is 'useless'[unreliable] to those of us seeking historically accurate valuations of an item...but, perhaps it would prove more useful in other 'legal' arenas...

For those of you with greater memory banks...was Burkey ALSO indirectly/directly shill bidding in Comic Link auctions?? 'We' suspect that he was, but, did he in fact acknowledge/admit to doing as much in his post on the boards?

Forgive me for not understanding the paparticulars of their relationship...

Is CAT omitting CL auction items from CAT notifications?

Or, is CL omitting auction items from being 'automatically enrolled' in CAT notifications?

In otherwords, is CL not sharing auction data/listings?

2 hours ago, Rick2you2 said:

if the omission of Clink from comic art tracker is resulting in lower prices being bid than if the site was included.

Please clarify...or rephrase the concern...

Did You Know: You are only the second person to own the page after it was created by Bill Willingham.

42 minutes ago, Justin Case said:

Wow $15K! That certainly puts things in perspective. Maybe delekkerste is right and $20K is the absolute floor for the splash page.

You wouldn't need to worry about me bidding against you should the Title Splash page to SS 17 ever turn up at auction...

And, remember to consider the BP, sales tax, & shipping costs, at the very least (it would 'certainly' be offered via HA)...

I guesstimate that the final cost to become the new owner is no less than $30k...

2 hours ago, delekkerste said:

$20K is probably the absolute floor!  I'd probably take a chance at it even at that price, as someone would surely pay more than that for a Surfer/Mephisto splash. #amiriteoramirite

This BEAUTY was briefly available last year...it was considerably tempting...even at $15k...

2 hours ago, Matches_Malone said:

 The rumors are true, Frank Frazetta's The Egyptian Queen will be up for auction. 

 

 

Looking forward to putting this out on the curb in May...

1 hour ago, vodou said:

His flip was listing each of the six pages for the price he paid for the whole lot of six

Five of those six pages were 'sold' as BINs back in January, according to the seller's completed/sold listings filter...

If those are actual 'sales' results, then the 'flips' were 'successful'(?) & likely served to reinforce future arbitrage...

...& if true, then these results also do not support several of Clink's claims. For example,

Sellers have become accustomed to receiving top dollar using both ComicLink Auctions and the ComicLink Exchange–often at least 20% more than anywhere else.

In this instance, & likely too many others, eBay would have been the consignor's 'better' venue..."caveat venditor".

The ASM #224 Cover had been listed on the Donnelly Art Exchange sometime ago, for $20k(?)...it 'sells'[Brunswick?], and is posted for sale shortly thereafter amongst Glen Brunswick's CAF listings, for $27k(?)...it 'sells' again(?), then is later consigned into this Winter Featured Auction & the rest can be told from the auction/bid history...

I have not tried the Comic Art Tracker, but, hope one of you experienced users can tell me if such 'short-term' buy & sell data points are amongst the software's features...??

This auction had many examples of arbitrage [wagering] which resulted in less than 'successful' returns for the consignor(s). Remember to please take into account the 10% seller's commission, shipping costs, & TAXES!!...Nevermind those pesky 'Opportunity Costs'...

Other notable examples include Amazing Spider-Man #61, page 15 & X-Men #59, page 18 which both previously 'sold' on eBay...