AussieRuss

A few new Western Penn Books for the collection. I managed to pick up all 3 at the same time a few weeks ago.

Hello Everyone. Her is a Picture of my one and only "Pacific Coast" Book.

Cmon Guy's Get serious. Below is the strongest hero of ALL. Just the sight of him causes other heroes & Villians to tremble & bow at his presance. Game over.... The war has been won.......

Hey guys . Here are some scans from my "Winnipeg" Pedigree collection. Actualy It may as well be called my "got it from Pedigree comics" collection as thats where they all came from. I missed out on the Giant size Captain America#1 Winnipeg comic & its killing me not to have it. If the owner reads this & wants to sell it please send me a PM. One of my favourite Bronze covers. I just Love the Daredevil Annuals & Giant size comics

Good one. Now we just need to send that list to CGC so that they can begin work on the new "Black Label" assigned to these books. Good work. Aussie Russ...

Hello Deathlok. I have around 40-60 at the moment. I have only been seriously collecting for about 2 years now. However They are all #1's.. I only really collect first issues for now. Except for Golden Age Blackhawk comics. I am very slowly putting together a mid grade CGC run of both Pedigree and Non Pedigree books of this title. This will make you laugh..... The full run that I do have is of the 1994 X-files comics. I have every special edition and variant cover plus about 100 different signed copies. I also have Full runs of the Australian Price variant Copies. I had to start collecting somewhere didn't I. Its a long road and I never seem to have enough of this funny stuff called money to swap for peoples comics. If you got to the "Post your newest Pedigree's" thread in the Comics General forum I have most of them scanned. I have not posted any of my Winnipeg's or Pacific Coast scans books as yet. Regards, Aussie Russ.

Geee.... You don't miss a thing do you.. And to think that it only took me 2 years to finally become aware of this forum.

Hey deathlok. Your quick. I didn't even have time to paste my picture and you did it for me..... Feel free to fly over to Aus an wash the car for me if you want. I was going to do it later today.

Hello. I am not sure if you have seen these before but here is a picture of one of the Northland Certificates. CGC actually graded this book as 9.4 NM. Aussie Russ...

Hello. Dr. Neff. Great List...... Could not see "Big Apple" Pedigree on the list. Also I would change the first line in your list from "CGC list of Pedigree's" TO "CGC List of Pedigrees, File copys & Collections" It has been done to death 10 times over but several items listed are not recognised Pedigree's. There are some items that are company File copys and large collections gathered by people other than the original owners. EG: Nic Cage Collection. Great collection but He wasn't even born when some of his comics were put into circulation. Otherwise. Good work. Regards. Aussie Russ...

Tonight I am listing my 4 Western Penn Pedigree Books. Not ultra high in grade but still quite nice. This captain Action is down a grade on the Boston copy but has bone white pages Its amazing to compare the W/Penn + Northland Ironman&Sumariner books side by side. It looks like they may have been produced very close together in the production run as the page cutting marks are almost identical in their imperfections. Picked the following 2 books up on E-bay in Jan 05.

I disagree for this reason: LET THE MARKET DECIDE. CGC has provided information on the label, it's up to the collector to determine what to do with this information. I also understand why CGC only gives MHII designation to Chuck, since there are probably thousands of MHII certificates floating around, and there are no distinguishing marks on the books. Do I like that, NO, but I understand it. Hello Sfilosa. Thanks for you viewpoint. The problem I have with "Letting the Market decide" is that no binding decision will ever come from having the an individual person/s make their own opinion. My view is that if we could nominate a deciding party EG: CGC or maybe an even better idea would be to let the Overstreet advisers reach a concensus about what is and what isn't a Pedigree. This could be reviewed each 5-10 years to include newer international pedigrees if one happens to appear. Even though the hobby of collecting comics is quite new in relative terms (only 2-3 generations) we will have countless generations to follow in the footsteps that we have formed. In my opinion making this decision will only get harder as time goes on. Why not make the mark in the sand & if you disagree with the choices that are made you still have the option to ignore the Pedigree title. For those of us that want this facet of the hobby to be taken seriously now & in years to come there will be some binding, factual information to refer to. Remember that over time peoples views change and unles rules are made the air can become quite foggy. As this trading comics internationally also becomes more prevalent the origins and lineage of each pedigree will become watered down if this is not quickly set in stone. To my knowlege setting rules and guidelines has worked in many other areas of collecting not to mention the way we live our lives in general. (we may not be happy with some decisions that affect us but they are generaly made with our best intrests at heart) If you would like to explain in a bit more detail why you think it best for individuals (the market) to decide on the future of our pedigree designations Vs having an elected body do it for us it would be appreciated. You could maybe also give your viewpoint on why having an elected body to do this for us would have negative affects on the future of this hobby. I would greatly appreciate to hear your opinions in detail as my view may be a little one sided on this topic. Regards, Aussie Russ

Hi Russell - I think CGC puts the Nic Cage/Dallas Stephens notation on the label, but they are certainly NOT pedigrees, or recognized as such (not in the classic definition of pedigree anyway). Initially we did note MH2 sales, even though this was not originally noted on the CGC label. And more recently the MH2 has appeared on the labels. They usually bring in a higher result and hence why we originally noted the MH2s. I don't think the NC/DS books have generally brought in a higher sale price, but I'm in categorization so I can't say for sure. It's something for George or Simon to report on as they are closer to the market reports. Cheers Rich Thanks for the info, but the issues of Pedigree was skirted. MH2 IS NOT A PEDIGREE I Own 5 of them (see have a cigar for the most recent 2) with all apologies to the fab books you posted I would Never post them here. If I ever do slab them (which I doubt) I will NOT BE INCLUDING THE CERTIFICATE, or in any way, shape, or form alerting CGC that they are MH2. This is the only way I see on righting this glaring injustice to all the other Peds. If I had enough cash I would buy every MH2 I could and start a bonfire on the Beach with the COAs - Alan you could fly out and toast marshmellows They are great books - but a warehouse find and not original owner off the stand purchases. Is nothing sacred in this hobby anymore. Hello. I thought posting my MH2 books might stir up a little emotion. As I stated in my very first line I think that MH2 books are a collection not a Pedigree. BUT.... It is not what you or I think that really matters at the end of the day. With Dallas Stephens books & Nic Cage books, the words are placed below the comic name. This represents a std non pedigree book with some attached significance. Mile High 2 has the words "Mile High 2" posted in the area reserved for Pedigree & file copy books. This means that CGC must recognise MH2 as a Pedigree or they would not place the words where they are. Now before people point the finger at me for saying such things remember I am one of the people that don't class it as a pedigree. Just as I dont class any of the File copy's as a pedigree. I class them as just that, a "File Copy" We will all have areas that we dispute when pedigree's are talked about and if the words "Purchased new from newstand" are used I need to have the MH2, Gaines file copy etc explained in more detail. A line needs to be drawn in the sand. In my opinion the rules for what defines a pedigree should be very clearly stated and once laid down they should be followed to the letter. Ther can be none of the opinions that I often hear including "Gaines file books are not a true Pedigree as they were not purchased of the newstand but I allow it to be one because of what he gave to the comic community ...." Someone like CGC needs to step up to this challenge and clear the air. This will end all debate and set the record straight. Not doing so is only tarnishing the name of these great Pedigree's, File copies & Collections. Maybe someone from CGC could update the 3 year old listing of recognised Pedigree's that they have on file. Till next time, Aussie Russ...

Thanks for the feedback Rich. By the way, well done on breaking through the 2000 subscriber mark with GPAnalysis. Keep up the great work. Regards, Aussie Russ...

While things are on a roll here are three of my "Mille High II" books. This is an interesting Collection/Pedigree. Although I believe it to be of collection status it is worth recognising that CGC place the words "Mile High II" in the area reserved for Pedigree'd books. If it was viewed by CGC as a collection the words "Mile High II" should be placed in the same location as with other collections like "Nic Cage" & Dallas Stephens" I have heard that CGC recognise it as a pedigree but other groups eg: GPAnalisys do not recognise it as a pedigree and will not list the words "MHII" on the sales data. (George, If I have this wrong please correct me.) These come with a lovely embossed Certificate. Anyhow here they are.

OK. I understand that I am bending the rules here by posting a comic from the "Dallas Stephens Collection" but here it is. Please forgive me oh great Pedigree god for I have sinned, I purchased a half baked comic belonging to a collection. I must repent. I still love it though..

WOW... That Orange & yellow color looks great.

Thanks Goldust. I really appreciate the back cover stamp info. I am still waiting for the book to reach Australia at the moment but when it arrives i will have a good look at the back cover. It may sound quite funny to many of you guys/gals who live in the USA. but a lot of these names don't mean a great deal to me as yet. It would make about as much sense as me rattling of name of places located in Australia I guess. I have looked at several USA maps to get a rough idea as to where certain Pedigree's originate from. I just like to share my active imagination with you all now & then. Anyway I do plan to visit your wonderful country In a few years & hopefully visit the areas that some of thes Pedigree's originate from. Until then any information is appreciated. Thanks again Ausie Russ..

Well another Pedigree that I know absolutely nothing about is the "Bethlehem" Pedigree. Everytime I hear the name it conjurs up thoughts in my mind of a middle aged Jesus Christ sitting at a table showing all the deciples his comic collection. Anyway if you are religious person I don't mean to offend.

Here are some pics of my 3 Northland Pedigree Books. These also come with a nice Certificate. One for the Conan Fans Below is a fairly common book unless you want a pedigree'd version. A great D.C. comic. Really screams of the 60's And here is one of the Certificates Notice That CGC graded it 1 grade higher than shown on the certificate

Its "Oakland" time Below are most of my late Silver/Early Bronze age Oaklands. Can someone please tell me what comic cover is reprinted on the "Where Monsters Dwell" cover below. Once again the blue cover is just amazing. Its one of those covers that makes me happy to own this book every time I see it. (Thanks Doug Schmell) Another one from Pedigree Comics And another from Doug. It has taken me a long while to find this one but it popped up for sale in England last December Last one. Again Purchased from Doug.

I forgot to list this Silver age "Boston" with the others last night.

Just had a look on Pedigree comics website & found a really nice Boston copy of SGT Fury #9 from August 1964. Thats about as early as I can find at the moment.

Its not a pedigree but this CGC 9.4 "File Copy" makes me laugh.

Here's my 1 & only Rockford to date. The missing piece came in its own little slab when it arrived. Also came with a lovely double sided Certificate