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I agree and will do that. Thank you for recommending it for me

Whole book foxing.... sorry 

Graders notes 

bottom back cover large piece out

left bottom cover tear with crease

left top front cover restoration color touch

right top front cover restoration color touch

spine wear breaks color 

whole book fixing 

It ashame, it's still a very nice book as a retired copy. I will package and send back Monday. I suppose he gets a nice slabbed book with proper grade and discription and I pay for grading and now shipping registered mail with signature confirmation 

Update........ PayPal came through and decided in my favor. I out the grading /pressing fees but oh well... lesson learned.... I wanted to thank everyone for your time, advise and experience. I am very happy to be a member of the society

1 hour ago, bronze johnny said:

Can't tell what the future holds but perhaps the definition for amateur color touch will one day be amended to include a provision that widens how it can be interpreted?

Back when I was a kid first collecting in the late 70s, my friends and I would "color touch" a cover to personalise it or make it appear nicer because we loved the artwork and in some cases, wanted to add to it- with no intention on selling it for a better price (the conception didn't exist for us kids). Those were different times and today's standards may one day change to leave room for interpretating what the intent was for adding a marker (and markers may have been different back then- not water based like many the kids use today- we had ballpoint pens, Pilot razor points, etc. Back then) to a cover given that in addition to the stuff we did back then- and amateur color touch could also be seen by a kid as a way to conserve a book- the idea that a professional third party grading system would exist decades later was inconceivable. 

I've read about greys in this thread and absolutes- there are plenty "shades of greys" when we start looking at the question of what young people did to there books during a different era of comic book collecting and the reasons why. The time may come when the rules for color touch amateur restoration are changed to make room for interpretation - one that considers what readers and collectors did to their books decades ago.

Of course, great emphasis is placed on the word "interpretation" since amateur color touch can be abused by speculators and questionable dealers. Third party grading restoration checks may one day have the technology to make the distinction. Third party grading can also note "inconclusive" where there's insufficient evidence to determine what the intent was for the amateur color touch. Technological advancement may permit this at some point. (On a different note- Computer "generated restoration" may also change things to the point where it may become impossible to detect restoration?). Yes, the world of comic book restoration will become even more complex...like the world around us is in this 21st Century. 

For now, can you really go wrong in keeping a beautiful copy of AF 15 with amateur color touch and a purple label? If not, then take a blue marker and color over the purple label- worst that can happen is that CGC gives the blue label an amateur color touch designation...

Best,

john

Thanks for your input, It is a nice copy over all. Maybe your right to say leave well enough alone. Maybe I should buy another copy (On a payment plan)  

I think I'm done with PayPal. Just received another email saying I'm not supplying them with enough proof to show the item is not as described.

ill call again in the morning and they will put frosting over the issue and say they will look into it only to have the person in charge reduce my claim to nothing. If I can't make headway I will close the case there and open with my credit card company. I don't know how it is difficult for them to see my point?

I pulled up the certification and it says graders notes coming soon... so I need to call them tomorrow?

I will get the graders notes and post

7 minutes ago, G.A.tor said:

Should sell about 1.0 to 1.5 range if you can find a buyer that doesn't mind the resto

So about 50% of guide on a 3.0...? Right?

7 minutes ago, G.A.tor said:

Should sell about 1.0 to 1.5 range if you can find a buyer that doesn't mind the resto

3 minutes ago, G.A.tor said:

Right buyer maybe 7-9k

I guess that sounds still good for investment purposes. But the million dollar question. Should I chance with removing restoration?

1 minute ago, G.A.tor said:

Should sell about 1.0 to 1.5 range if you can find a buyer that doesn't mind the resto

So about 50% of guide on a 3.0...? Right?

1 minute ago, G.A.tor said:

Should sell about 1.0 to 1.5 range if you can find a buyer that doesn't mind the resto

So if resto is left how much could I expect to see if I want to try to upgrade?

It was small Ct and it was professional restoration. 

I own a 3.0 af15 with slight a restoration 

small color touch on the cover. Where would that fall in a price/value? 

They were nice enough to email me the grade report with the graders notes. Sad thing is it's so hard to explain that all they need to do is verify certifiacation on cgc comics. Com

i hopeful but one more delay and I will go through my credit card issuer

I threaten and challenged the process, I said I think I proved that the listing was not honest and frauds me. I also said I think my credit card company would view my proof differently. I called my credit card company and they said I would normally have 60 days to file. But even after that they can look into it. I at a loss for words and don't know which direction to go?

PayPal is becoming hard to deal with. I sent them the sellers listing, an invoice from cgc showing submission and the posted grade and notes showing restoration. Today I receive an email telling me I need a 3rd party to write a report showing restoration.... I called and explained that the report is in the registry online. I went so far as to show the Rep how to do it. He said he put notes and will re-escalate. But I get the feeling I being put on hold. Any thought or guidance will be greatly appreciated 

I will post as soon as I'm contacted. I'm assuming they will need me to upload the cgc grade and graders notes, invoice ( even though I won't be paid for the encapsulation, grading and pressing.) And his listing from eBay. Just a bummer when I thought I picked up another key book for my collection and instead was taken for a ride

Thanks, no news from PayPal yet, it says they are reviewing and will contact me if anything is needed

PayPal was easier to open the claim with. 

The seller already responded. PayPal said they would review both sides and either make a decision or ask for more information. I will kept everyone up to date as this unravels.

Thank you for your advise, Makes me rethink buying from eBay, I think this happens often

Got an update from eBay, they have to close the case. They say there window to help is limited to 30 days, I initiated the claim on the 32nd day. I explained that I sent it to Cgc for verification but the said they. Ant help and I need to file a claim through PayPal.... should I go this route or just go to my credit card company. I feel as if eBay just wasted my time....

Got an update from eBay, they have to close the case. They say there window to help is limited to 30 days, I initiated the claim on the 32nd day. I explained that I sent it to Cgc for verification but the said they. Ant help and I need to file a claim through PayPal.... should I go this route or just go to my credit card company. I feel as if eBay just wasted my time....

would my slight A restoration graded 3.0 go up as well? not as much though right?

Thanks for being there through my mis step

i appreciate your time and expertise

joe