BSeldin305

Just now, Bird said:

they just don't like each other at this point. Buyer wanted refund prior to returning the book. Seller said send it back and I will refund you then. Buyer said "say it in these words" and I will. Seller said "I said I would refund but I won't say exactly what you want me to say" but I will refund what you paid. Seller gave professional info in case of issue with refund to prove intentions. 2 stubborn people with no trust.

"Confirming the amount" is not asking him to say it in these words.  It is a way to be clear on the terms and give me recourse if he balks.  

6 minutes ago, Bird said:

this point is moot, buyer has not asked for it and seller has said he would refund what the buyer paid. After that it is just games.

I wanted the seller to confirm the amount of refund after receiving the book.  These words were chosen carefully. 

He would not confirm the amount.  He has already proven untrustworthy.    

Just now, 1Cool said:

It is correct that the $100 dispute money came from Paypal and not the seller?

Correct.  Under your scenario, seller gets original book returned, slabbed and is + $100. That is not fair.   

Just now, 1Cool said:

Did the $100 paypal money come from Paypal??  That is unlikely based on my dealings with Paypal.

Yes, the $100 came from Paypal (as noted on the transactions). 

2 minutes ago, Crops068 said:

Is he on the hook for the $100 dispute?  Per the thread Paypal denied the buyer twice and it was only until he found a friendly CS rep that gave him $100 from Paypal, right?  So that would not be connected to the seller.  So if the seller could verify that the $100 did in fact come from him.

This is correct. 

19 minutes ago, 1Cool said:

I agree that is the crux of the argument.  Is the seller on the hook for grading and pressing cost when issuing a refund?  Is it fair for a buyer to be out money if restoration is detected?  My opinion is no just because the buyer would not issue a refund if the book came back unrestored and CGC 3.5.  The buyer should not be at risk with his initial $300 but I do believe there is some inherent risk when you send a book in to get graded and especially pressed.  You can get a big gain if the book comes back high and some risk if it comes back low (and even restored).  I think the seller offering to refund the initial $300 is sufficient and the buyer can keep the slab if it is his prerogative. 

This book was listed as UNRESTORED.  I will return the book, but i wanted a guarantee that he would send back $300 not $200.  I believe he was being cryptic in a effort to only send $200 and have plausible deniability.   

Homie don't play that. 

55 minutes ago, HuddyBee said:

Buyer said he would return only after getting the PayPal $300, not before.

I've only ever been refunded after I returned my item, never before.

Also if @Peoplesjim and @BSeldin305 did this through eBay, and not the CGC message boards there would be a lot more security and safety netting in case anyone is trying to scam the other. I realize the window for returns has closed, but sellers can still offer returns through eBay anytime. They just can't be initiated by the buyer after the window has closed.

 

I had zero success dealing with him through eBay.  You can see messages on page 1.  He told me CGC was wrong and to have them re-grade the book.  

Just now, kav said:

ps will you be sending it in slab as a gesture of good will?

Of course it will come in the slab.  

Thank you everyone for your efforts;  I can not send him the book if he will not put in writing the amount he intends to refund. (Especially since we are outside of the eBay return system protections).

Who does the community think should take the leap of faith- does he send the $, then I send the book- or other way around? 

2 minutes ago, kav said:

This is his opportunity-we'll see what happens.  I'm rooting for him.  If he refuses with the excuse that well you already bashed him that will come off as AN EXCUSE.

Look this was not about getting additional monies from seller. 

There are no " you better do this and this or I will post things".  This is about  me letting members of the community know about this seller and my experience with him.  

Folks can read the messages for themselves and decide if they want to do business with him.  But I thought folks should know.  

10 minutes ago, Peoplesjim said:

If the buyer hadn't tried to blast me on 2 messages boards, I would have worked it out.

He already had the chance to get a full refund, but didn’t take it and then wanted to have public bashing, on my business. 

The buyer just wants to rant and call me names.

Would others sellers do it at this point? 

Dude, I gave you every opportunity to work it out.  The messages are there - you made ZERO effort.  

PS Me asking for $100 instead of a full refund is not akin to you offering a full refund.   You have never made that offer.  

Seriously, post one pic of you trying to work it out.  ONE PIC!

I brought the issue to his attention and asked how he wanted to handle.  He told me CGC was wrong and to have to book regraded.  

At that point I suggested a $100 refund. That did not go well. 

PayPal has refunded me $100   

Would I take the refund now, probably - but he won’t  do it. 

He did not offer a full refund.  

1 hour ago, kav said:

Objective but needing an expert to determine is a bit different tho.  A layman cannot be called as an expert witness just for this reason.

This is a guy with an eBay store- any higher duty than the guy who says he is selling his neighbor's comics they found in the attic?

Still, you can't make affirmative representations that you know not to be true.  More so in the case of a professional seller, no?

6 minutes ago, kav said:

I would return for full refund and figure the guy didnt do a page count.  If I see a book listed as 'unrestored' I just go 'maybe' and make my decision.  I do not credit ebay sellers with CGC level grading abilities.

The Seller had no business making a claim he had no knowledge of being true.  This is a specific representation. 

Perhaps the next buyer who googles this seller with your "maybe" attitude will see this little kerfuffle and elect to "maybe not" make the purchase. 

If you are someone who buys comics, while this nonsense may be your reality on eBay, it is not conduct you should condone. .  

1 minute ago, kav said:

I dont see this as a 'fraud' situation.  Lots of listings say 'unrestored'.  They also say things like 'rare'.  'CGC it' 'my loss is your gain' etc.  This is called puffing.  Only an expert can detect certain types of restoration.  If you are buying raw books on ebay, you are to some extent rolling the dice. regardless of what the listing says.  That's why raw books are cheaper.  You cant want the guarantee of a CGC book at raw prices.  A seller has one obligation-to refund full price if you are dissatisfied.  If you decide to get a book slabbed, pressed or gold plated they shouldnt be on the hook for that expenditure.   

So you wouldn't complain if you bought a book advertised as "complete" but was missing the "centerfold"?   

What you describe is not "puffing"- "looks great"  "beautiful pages" "presents higher than grade" "looks near mint" are examples of puffing.  Restoration is black and white.

Look what I asked for - a $100 refund - I think is pretty reasonable.

What I got- no apology and "CGC is wrong" is not. 

2 hours ago, oakman29 said:

"Should a seller always partial refund if a book comes back different than the listing claimed eg if they sell claiming an 8.0 and it comes back a 7.0 or if unknown resto is detected and the buyer decided to pay for pressing should the seller reimburse/warranty?

How about if the listing says the books is UNRESTORED and it comes back as RESTORED. Grading is subjective, Restoration is not.   

39 minutes ago, HuddyBee said:

No. I can slightly understand sellers refunding due to unknown restoration, as restoration isn't subjective like grading. But definitely not with just grade differences.

Buy the book, not the grade. This includes unknown restoration. Check for yourself before you ship to CGC. Always inspect the book thoroughly, check for completeness and restoration. A lot of trouble can be avoided this way. The biggest reason this isn't blowing over well is because it has been 5 months since the purchase. @BSeldin305 check for restoration yourself before you send to CGC. If detected you could have returned it for a whole refund and not wasted the $$$ for grading. If you could not detect the restoration yourself, then you have just as much reason to be frustrated with yourself as you do the seller.

Look the Seller listed this book as "UNRESTORED".  It was listed as UNRESTORED  in the title of the listing.  This is a Material Representation.  It was Material because it significantly effects the value of the book.  This Material Representation was FALSE.  

Look, I can not tell if a book is restored/ trimmed;  but if it is advertised as UNRESTORED in the description I feel the buyer has a right to rely on that representation.

Further, this Fraudulent Seller is saying that CGC is wrong and they incorrectly detected trimming on 2 edges.  He is saying everything hoping something sticks.  The only thing that will stick is the damage to his reputation.

Would you buy a raw book from this clown?  I think not.  

28 minutes ago, Peoplesjim said:

Original poster who did you use for a Pressor?

CGC/CCS

Removed and re-typed below

So this clown Cornfield just responded on the CBCS message board:

I measured the book, used black light to check for color touch and checked the page quality for married pages. I can not control if cgc gets it wrong on trimming. There are several threads stating this as an issue. If the book had come backed color touched or married, I would fully refunded buyer. 

I don’t do partial refunds due to many buyers taking advantage of sellers. Buyer should have asked for a full refund from PayPal, but after reviewing my original pictures showing the book over hangs the interior pages and the book has tattered edges, where as a trimmed book would be straight all of the way across. 

As you can see from my feedback and pokecollectoramy book, I dot sell restored books.

So his explanation is that CGC got it wrong on 2 sides and he grades/ detects restoration better than they do!?!?!?!?!?!?

I know its just a $100 and I got it back from Paypal but I can't let this nonsense go.

I think the folks here explained it better than I could have.  I was being reasonable and you were not.  

No apology and nothing to try and make it right. 

You did make nonsensical excuse after nonsensical excuse and you are being rightly clownsuited on both the CGC and CBCS forums.    

On 6/4/2019 at 1:47 PM, aszumilo said:

The problem here is we have not seen any pictures of the book, either when it was purchased nor after it was graded.  Hard to pass judgement without concrete evidence.  How many times have we seen this scenario played out around here?  It is very possible the seller missed the trimming.  It is also possible CGC made a mistake and it could happen that the buyer had it trimmed.  Who to believe without proof?

I don't think anyone believes I would buy it for $300, trim it, send it to CGC for pressing and casing, and then request a $100 refund?  Does that make sense? No it doesn't.  PS there are pics on this forum and CBCS.  

The book was sent to CGC for pressing and casing.  That's what took 5 months.  You made a representation, that was false.  You then made a bunch of nonsense comments to avoid responsibility.  They are here for all to see.

Bottom line you had no idea whether the book was restored or not, but carelessly or fraudulently made a representation that was not true. 

You still have not apologized.  I received $100 back from Paypal.  More cases like mine and they will be done with you.

Like I am.   

This guy will have a booth at Galaxy Con this weekend.  Beware!