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Back from NYC Big Apple and Columbus MidOhio, read thru this thread, and a few comments, of course, re Jon Berk's comments regarding my deduction from close up personal examining Comic Cuts #8 and #9 I own (last issue) side by side to NEW FUN #1 and #2, plus a Lloyd Jacquet interview i came across from 1958 purporting to be an abstract Chapter One to a proposed history of American comic books he was supposedly working on at the time this info (plus a lot more) is mostly in my Origin of the Modern Comic Book article in the newest Overstreet (as well as the last bunch going into the late 1990s, each version improving as we go along, with new data being uncovered, such as Jon B and i figuring out Standard Oil Comics was earlier than Gulf's comic giveaway effort The distributor and printer are identical, key to understanding that they would have been the ones fronting the money to make such a project a reality, a common practice back in teh day for most comic book company start ups there is a gap of just a couple months between Comic Cuts and New Fun they are the same tabloid size, non comics features are Comic Cuts is Brit reprint stuff, New Fun is original USA newspaper strip style wanna-be material - obviously they discovered Brit reprint material, from the long running Brit pub Comic Cuts, had no USA audience Jacquet also wrote that the Brit Comic Cuts was the direct inspiration for New Fun, not the Eastern Color efforts - a smoking gun for that info If one desires more info than what i scribe here, I refer the reader to the newest Overstreet Origin of the Modern Comic Book article I most likely will not be up here very much as i am entering Deadline Time for the next Overstreet section with a few more new tid bits of data in the Modern Comics origin piece PLUS, i have pushed back the "recurring comic strip character" in the USA of original USA drawn comic strips to 1852 and have also uncovered more comic strips from the 1860s using word balloons - and will have a couple new examples of these 1860s word balloon-using comic strips in the Victorian section of the next Guide - new research i just accomplished during a few days between BYC Big Apple and MidOhio

Well, i do not have one, - Remember back into the late 1970s when Laurence Watts Evans morphed his column into CBG into a comic book total count scenario? He attempted exactly what you suggested now - counting up the number of copies of a lot of books This was in the days before the Gerber books and his Scarcity Ratio Index follies Watt-Evans went on in his column for many many months, was quite interesting reading, and petered out when the number of collectors interested in announcing what they had waned

That is my understanding re Poughkeepise copies that the keys, in the main, were being cherry picked out of those warehouses long before Geppi bought what was left, and i remember there being 3 of them which came onto the marketplace at different times. I was buying back in the 1970s from people who got into the Poughkeepsie stuff - and by & large they were beautiful copies - and Larry Bigman's father, Irving, a man who taught many of us back in the late 60s thru early 70s how to buy & sell properly - he also got into the Eastern Color files early on, liberating the Frazetta Famous Funnies in runs among other "key" eastern stuff. Then a fellow named Don DeFalco out in Walnut Creek Calif got those remnants, which was still massive. I used to buy multiple copies of Famous Funnies, Heroic Comics, etc at wholesale prices, or traded out of my 85,000 Byrne Xmen comics i had built up beginning in the late 1970s. Most of what Geppi got was later stuff, massive in depth, runs of all kinds of later stuff. He also got the Harvey warehouse holdings, and most of that was high grade as well. There was also the Fawcett warehouse which was split amongst several people, comics, art, ephemera

Nope, just the first two which has better printing on the covers than the latter two Marvel ones google Bud Plant or try www.budplant.com phone 800 242 6642 24 hours a day any body contemplating investing in old comic books should have the first two gerber books

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I thought it was common knowledge that Steve Geppi bought out the remnants of the Poughkeepsie warehouses back in the day - many hundreds of thousands of Dells at what i heard was 50 cents per book Much of the early "key" stuff had already been "liberated" before Steve G got to it My experience back in the day was many many Barks collectors did not collect much of any other comic book, so there has to be a lot of Disney collections out there amongst people wrapped up in the reading concept more than any type of investment concerns, so they would not necessarily get anything slabbed, nor would they want to, as it is pointless to have a barks book one cannot read at one's leisure the Poughkeepsie warehouses began being liberated into comics fandom in the 1970s, and maybe even earlier for all i know. A lot of high grade Disney books began surfacing in the very early 70s and was the earliest pedigree type designation i remember, being "poughkeepsie copies" as the term bandied about.

ware house finds? before i get into Poughkeepsie, let me tell you a tale of what happened to myself and another friend at a Portland comicon circa 1977 thereabouts. There was a 3rd guy who went out to a fellow's car trunk to look at what an off the street seller said was a thousand comic books form 1950 That guy came back in and told us he was not interested, So Mark and myself went out to the trunk, looked inside, agreed there was a thousand comic books from 1950, sure enough. There were only 8 different books, all from one basic month in 1950 They were Ghost Rider #1 A-1 #27 Durango Kid 7 Jungle Jumbo Sheena 8 Bobby Benson's B-Bar-B Riders 4 Tim Holt 19 and the 8th one i do not remember right now The Jungle and Jumbo issues i will pick out of my Gerber line up once i go get that picture bible The guy wanted 'real" dollars, i laughed - as there were about 100 of each, some less, some more. Many were super high grade, some were not so great condition wise. Seems they came out of a basement of an old pharmacy in Boise Idaho I told him that many of each would flood the market, so we offered him $1000 for the lot, which he took and we proceeded to trade them for other stuff - not placing them out for sale Thirty years later, the market place seems to have absorbed them all, as i note the price of a NM Ghost Rider #1 is currently $1500 There are many tales like this from all over the country Please let me think about the Poughkeepsie file copy scenario some more before i commit to print here what i know of what came out of there

There were several Poughkeepsie warehouses, which came onto the market at different times. My understanding of the 1940s Poukeepsie books were of not white paper, such as on the high grade Donald 9 and 29 - so whiter-type paper versions would truly be scarce. Before i start spilling what i know in this area, what is a definition of warehouse find as in "how many copies" ?? 50 100 500 1000 more than that? First time i got to understand that concept of "ware house find" was in the pages of RBCC when Bill DuBay and Marty Arbunich, prolific fanzine publishers at one time, had in one of their comic book for sales ads multiple high grade copies of Detective Comics 59 at $3 each circa 1968 Let me hear from some of you regarding "how many" and i will try to job my memory banks

I have said since Ernie's monumentus tomes were issued close to 20 years ago that his SRI numbers are just plain silly. He partook of some 280 collections in his photography endeavors, so sez the list of people he scoped out in the front of the book - my name being there in the first column. There are many thousands of collections out there. His pool was not large enough to come up with the bumbers he did, just because he did not see what he was looking for in the small pool he ended up swimming in and i know a LOT about the warehouse finds since i entered comics fandom in 1966 - i bought out of many of them - what do you want to know?

There are a few things to consider that a black light will not reveal.. What about black color touch that doesn't show up? What about rice paper? What about trimming? What about switched covers and wraps? What about disassembly or cleaned/replaced staples? What about cleaned covers? I may still be missing a couple... My experience with black light sez one can detect any black color touch, any color which is not printed, but then again, i might know what to look for Rice paper is easy to detect - and usually is always covered over by painting on it, otherwise it stands out like a sore thumb trimming is not restoration - it is desecration switched coves & wraps: ya got me there, white man Replaced staples or switched ones: falls in that 5% a black light will not reveal cleaned covers: again, the 5% factor revealed Black light reveals most restoration, it is not the be-all, end-all, nor did i imply that on any level But one would start with a black light and move forwards from there, wouldn't you agree? UV will usually reveal Japan paper (rice paper). Of course, examination in normal spectrum light will also reveal Japan paper. It's not hard to spot. UV does not reveal all kinds of color touch. My personal opinion is that people are much better off learning how to spot restoration using bright, normal spectrum light and close examination than they are in expecting a UV light to make everything jump out at them. I agree here as well - black light will reveal most, but not all, work done on a book - which is why i said 95% - beyond that, consult an expert, of which i do not claim not be in the slightest. But ever since Bill Sarill began his quest back in the early 1970s to get all the magic tape off spine that Stan Lee told us all to apply to all our comic books as a preemptive strike against damaging the spines of your comic books in a Stan's Soap Box in i think it was 1968, the concepts in and around restoration have taken quantum leaps in what gets done to any given book

There are a few things to consider that a black light will not reveal.. What about black color touch that doesn't show up? What about rice paper? What about trimming? What about switched covers and wraps? What about disassembly or cleaned/replaced staples? What about cleaned covers? I may still be missing a couple... My experience with black light sez one can detect any black color touch, any color which is not printed, but then again, i might know what to look for Rice paper is easy to detect - and usually is always covered over by painting on it, otherwise it stands out like a sore thumb trimming is not restoration - it is desecration switched coves & wraps: ya got me there, white man Replaced staples or switched ones: falls in that 5% a black light will not reveal cleaned covers: again, the 5% factor revealed Black light reveals most restoration, it is not the be-all, end-all, nor did i imply that on any level But one would start with a black light and move forwards from there, wouldn't you agree?

My experience is you turn off/tune out all other light sources so just the black light bulb gets all the attention form your retinas - anything layered onto a book should usually then stand out -

One of my favorite war covers, THE UNITED STATES MARINES #7 from 1952:

yea, you might be paying $5 instead that said, i believe that is what most resto guys initially use to check for all the easy stuff any type of painting or sprays will glow in the black light - it all shows up

any body can become expert enough to detect 95% of all resto simply by buying a black light bulb at Walmart for $4, turn off the other lights and shine the black light onto your comic book. Go get a bankers lamp, those desk models with the green glass "shade" That said, i had input from Bill Sarill back in the 1970s to check for work done on comic books, so i can detect most stuff done so full disclosure to the best of my ability is what i try to do As far as i could tell, i could see nothing on the front cover of this Tec 31, and saw light coloring on the back cover - up & down the spine - couldn't tell why it was done, as there is nothing wrong with the book - so i am guessing on a very slight spine roll pressed out and any back cover color break due to a spine roll covered up, back in the day when this type of work was considered an enhancement

I have had two Tec 31 issues in the past year up for sale - both VF looking, both with resto, the earlier one had more work done on it than the one currently pending with Rick. Both came from a fellow who had 5 copies as he upgraded over time. Same fellow has half a dozen WEIRD #1 and at least that many copies of Submariner #1 - these three being his favorite Gold books. That said, this newer Tec 31 is a beaut, has color work done on the back along the spine as i think it had a slight spine roll pressed out many moons ago. Paper is supple, the inside covers are white People have gotten confused who looked at my earlier copy - we'll see what Matt sez

No sweat Gary, i pretty much read the scan Mark Z sent - but it would be better if i could examine my copy of that CBG with less squinting great story -

Thanks Mark, Do you know which CBG number this came out of? I have a near-complete run thru 1990 or so some one gave me for the cost of shipping them - a friend had died, and the heirs had no where to store them, so they asked me - would like to read this a bit easier bob

That may very well be, i kind of remember that article. My thinking was prompted by Bill Thailing ending up with it. He was pretty much out of dealing concepts in comics by the mid 1980s having been one of the powerhouse dealers in the 60s comes into the 70s. Thailing lived in Ohio as did Wriginsky - and Wriginsky was welcomed by many of the publishers for his well-honed defense of comics in print. happen to know the CBG number referenced? A friend sent me a complete run of TBG *spoon* CBG a couple years back - replaces my run lost in my warehouse flood back in 1986. I could look it up. I am unaware of this Brown thesis and now want to track it down.

Gary, you must be talking about David Pace Wigrinsky, a then 14 year old boy who took on Wertham in the pages of Saturday Review of Literature back in 1948 - and was written up in the anti-Wertham editorials marvel Timely published back that year. I would post the editorial, but do not have time right now to ferret it out of my holdings. David Wriginsky was huge defender of comic books in the late 1940s - has to be this lad. There was quite the controversy then in the SRofL because no one believed such an erudite well-versed lad could write like that - until his high school principal came to his defense. David wrote about having 5000 different comic books then, having them back into the 1800s, amongst his defense of comic books amidst all the controversy which sprung up in 1948, there being a Town Hall Meeting on radio with Al Capp as defender of The Faith, among other haps. I know some one very well who knew David well back then - they were friends seems in 1960 David blew his brains out That is how Bill Thailing got all David's books there is way more to this story, but that is the 25 cent tour as Jon Stewart is coming on soon david is written about in my forth-coming comics history book

I always stayed away from the B&W comic books as a rule, those issues with no color covers at least such as these sub only editions, as the Eerie #1 B&W "ashcan" was reprinted at least a couple times, and i always thought it couldbe done to other issues, especially after the Cerebus #1 bootleg brou-ha-ha back in the day, when i called the FBI and broke the case, being across state lines, the crime factor was higher

yes, a long time ago at a comicon, same publisher Harvey also did a B&W small size mailed only to subscribers for Boy Explorers #2 four years earlier in 1946

\ Rather than clog this thread up replying to every post here which all are well thought out, yes, i posted a whole slew of ACGs over on that thread. Before i posted any more than just 4 or 5 of them, i requested any body reading that thread to ask me which ones they might want to see, and what i posted were what people asked to see, and the PMers mentioned if i put them up on the thread, or PM'd em back, either was OK. So, the only ACGs i posted there were what i was asked to post, hence, i put up Blazing West (Hooded Horseman shows up with #14), Spy & Counter-Spy, Spy-Hunter, and some of the Adventures Into the Unknown No one asked me to post any other titles, so i did not, and the thread has dropped down the list, as i had no intention of flooding it per se, and i ask how many people have seen almost all the scarce Adv Unk 3-D effect run - i bought this ACG collection to explore the company Where i over-stepped is only here, in the cosmic scheme of things, by posting those two Chesler books - a company i have explored since getting my first one back in, oh, 1969, when i discovered Dynamic 17 after acquiring a Crime Reporter 2, which is where Wertham saw the Hot Poker story he dissects in Seduction of the Innocent I began by investigating any sort of relationship with Chesler first publishing that story, then St John picking it up for CR #2. Some body back then must have liked that one. I began investigating SOTI about the time Fred Wertham called me up at my house in Fremont as a high school student in 1969 to order a subscription to my comics fanzine FANZATION which contained contribs from Jerry Bails, Steve Ditko, Ted White, Robert Weinberg (Chicago comicon promoter and major SF historian) among many others. FANZATION #5 had a Crandall cover Wertham and i exchanged a lot of letters in 1969-71, he said he was doing a book on comics fans. My fanzine was referenced at least 9 times in his last book THE WORLD OF FANZINES. The index only mentions 2 places, and one of those is the wrong page. The index in TWOF is jokingly incomplete and just plain wrong. Wertham died soon thereafter - Wertham basicly exonerated comics fans, saying in TWOF we turned out OK, energetic entrepreneurs, impressed with the industry demonstrated by all the fanzines then being published and all kinds of creativity contained therein. For some to equate what i do as simply being a dealer of comics is rather disheartening, a little bit insulting, but i see where the arguments come from, and oh well, i thought i was a serious comics scholar these days what with the three history articles in OPG. history lessons if you were, on what i think i have honed into a succinct time line of how where when why the comic book industry was spawned in America beginning in 1842, and then how when where why that industry evolved over the next 164 years, i stop my coverage in OPG in the mid 1970s All that serious research takes time & energy, and if i do not turn over stuff i buy, i have problems, and if i have problems, then the research time slows down, but that is just me, doing what i like to do, doing it full time, I am entering a new phase in my life, as i cannot do all the shows i was doing, shleppin 8 tons of books when doing a show: 2 tons to load the van/trailer, 2 tons unload at show, 2 tons load back up, 2 tons unload the boxes back at the ranch. I surely do not wish all the threads to be completely clogged with every dealer posting his/her wares and dampen the enthusiasm of posters showing off their books. So, i will from time to time be posting stuff i get in here & there, and i wish very much i could afford to keep all the cool stuff which comes thru my hands. I do see a lot of transacting going on thru many threads, and rest assured, i will not be doing a lot of posting covers, as it is not much fun sitting at a scanner, making covers ready for web posting I pick up a great many books because i i need stuff for certain research sub-projects of my larger macro-history, as i fill in jig saw puzzle pieces. I cannot afford to keep all my stuff. We have had a great deal of fun discussing comics history on various threads mostly all in the GOLD - rather heated at times as passion for the art form and its people who brought such great entertainment to us are discussed. Anyway, end of sermon, looking forward to seeing more Cheslers

I'm sure someone as thoughtful and polite as Bob would be happy to follow forum guidelines. There is a thread for members/dealers/anyone to list books that they have for sale on their website. well, maybe i over-reached a bit on this forum. I am gearing up for a hip replacement operation which has dampened my going out of town to all the shows i had been doing. need to raise bucks do i want to P.O. anybody off? of course not

Here are a couple Cheslers - both are for sale