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I am starting this thread with the mandate to promote lessor known underground comix material to a broader audience. On a routine basis (once or twice a month), I will be posting information and images of underground comix that are not the radar of most in the collecting community and/or are rarely offered in the marketplace for sale. I am not going to be concerning myself, too much, with the question "would Jay Kennedy have considered it an underground?". I have attached the published letter that he submitted to the City Limits Gazette. Its seems that he was trying to fine tune his own criteria/definition for undergrounds vs newave. He was even considering using the term "alternative" in his second edition because he felt that underground and newave were "misnomers". It’s an often asked question, but I personally consider “rare” to be: an item that seems to be scarcer then the first printing of Snatch #1 (maybe 350 surviving copies) or at best is offered for sale on eBay/Heritage on average of once per year. To keep this thread concentrated and focused, I ask anyone who wishes to post (even a small comment or question) to: Always include a description and images of their own underground item for sharing; Ensure that their posted item meets the spirit of the Kennedy Guide as being underground related – it can be undocumented, but generally should have been published between the late 60s and very early 80s. If you wish to make a comment or ask a question, but cannot provide your own item as part of this thread, then please contact me by PM instead. Thanks Dan

I am looking for guidance about horizontal folds in UG newspapers and other over sized material. 1) Would I be correct in assuming that the FUGG pricing guideline would always reference unfolded materials in the higher conditions? Even if 9/10 examples for sale are folded? 2) What would be the penalty for a crisp neat fold on a VF items - VG or lower, like a comic? I struggle with this one because of the range of likelihood that an items would be folded. Some items always seem to be folded, while others only occasionally appear on the marketplace folded. I guess the likelihood of finding one with a fold depended on who did the folding: the printer, the store or the collector. I realize that there will always be freak (unfolded) example, eventually posted in the marketplace, but is that what the FUGG pricing aiming for? Take Funny Papers as an example, being a newspaper, nearly all examples are folded without exception - probably shipped that way to the sales point. But I believe I that I have seen one unfolded example for sale. Is that one unfolded example the 9.2 referenced by the FUGG and the hundreds of other copies are 4.0 or lower? What about something more pricey like Yarrowstalks? It seems to be folded about half the time - probably by the store to get it to fit into a rack. Would a sharp example of #1 or #2, only fetch below $100, instead of $250 as stated in the guide for FN/VF. Seems weird to me. Update: I had a brief discussion with the Reverend and he believes that the condition/pricing in the FUGG is inclusive of undamaged, neat folds and that folds (in general) have little effect on pricing.

I was just checking my personal emails today and just found out that Dr. S's (corbenfan, Anrie) wife past away on the 24th. PS you have good/ambitious taste ug18!

Thanks 50. Yeah, I might throw that stub into the garbage over frustration with not finding a "map". Good to know and thanks for sharing.

I will look in to it, thanks for your contributions

As part of my comix insert/giveaway obsession (I did something similar about a year ago), I attempting to compile a better listing of comix that were either an insert/giveaway or contained an insert/giveaway: Kennedy listed/era Adventures of Kaptain Kopter & Commander Cassidy in Potato Land (comic record insert) Alternative Media Comics and Stories (included Saturday Mind. poster insert) Carload of Comics – comic insert Cherry magazine Comix Collector 1 - some variants included an iron-on giveaway on the back page Dealer McDope game – inserted in Playboy magazine Doomsday (included color poster insert) Elfquest Books 1-4 (HC Donning, all volumes included a poster insert) Faces 1 (micro comic inserted into Purple Warp 8/9) Flash Fearless (comic record insert) Goose Lake Gags (included grounds map insert) Gory Stories Quarterly #2 1/2 - inserted into a magazine(?) 50 cent Graphic Fantasy 2 (included EC poster insert) Kanned Korn Komix (comic record insert) Kozmik Star (mini inserted into Tattooed Paper) Lightningwar Papers (included beer can mock promo insert) Miami Concert Comic and Map - cardboard event summary, not an actual map was included! 50 cent Mucus Man – may have been inserted into Vintages 2 Phucked Up Phunnies (university yearbook insert) Purple Warp 8-9 – see Faces 1 Purple Warp 15 (included centerfold insert (?)) Psycho Comics 2 – included comic digest Totally Intense Tales of Action Raw Magazine 1 (included Two Fisted Painter mini comic insert) Raw Magazine 2 (Maus, Beyer cards and gum insert) Raw Magazine 3 Maus insert) Raw Magazine 4 (Maus and flexy record insert) Raw Magazine 5 (Maus insert) Raw Magazine 6 (Maus insert) Raw Magazine 7 (Maus insert) Raw Magazine 8 (Maus insert) Saga of Yukon Pete (record insert) Saturday M. Funnies – see Alternative Media Comics and Stories Scratchatune Comics (comic record insert) Sojourn 1 (included poster insert) Street Comix 4 (included KAK cut out insert) Sunpot (included blue print insert) Tales from the Tube (first printing): inserted into Surfer Magazine Vol 12 #6 swebbvella Tasty Comix 1 (included an insert (?)) Tattooed Paper – see Kosmik Star Totally Intense Tales of Action – see Psycho Comics 2 Two Fisted Painters – see Raw 1 Vintages 2- see Mucus Man Whole Wheat Comix 1 (included order/art booklet insert) Post Kennedy Acme #5 (Fantasian Productions, included Mr. Muscle mini insert) APC 1 mini – inserted into Mobile Destruct 3 comic Barbarian Women Comics 3 (1995 edition included record) Brother J Corspemeat 2 - insert? From 50 cent Mobile Destruct 3 – see APC 1 Muscle Man – see Acme 5 Anything missing or incorrect? Notice how Kennedy usually also IDs a comix insert also as a separate listing. However, or whatever reason he did not list Faces 1 (Purple Warp micro insert) in his guide. I also noticed 2 of my items did not have the promised insert: What does Tasty 1 have? And Purple warp 15? PS what's the story behind Vintages and Mucus Man? I stole that info from the old forum thread a number of years backs. All I know that those pubs are extremely rare.

Here's a link to a free, on-line, genre specific site to get you started: http://comixjoint.com/underground-a.html

I went fishing around and stole some images of Barbaric Fantasy. Have a gander it seems to be all BW and fairly easy to reproduce. Is it the high production value, staple placement that makes it impossible to counterfeit and therefore they will certify it?. Warm up the photocopier, we are submitting to the CGC:

I am trying to figure out CGC's acceptance criteria. They will not grade the Eerie 1 Ashcan (all BW, single type of stock), because it is too easy to reproduce. It seems that they also will not accept the Cherry 1, first printing, it is because it is of single color and stock? Besides the E1 ashcan, it is the only other item, that I am aware of that they will not touch. They will grade the rest of the Cherry mini herd, because why? Those contain more than one ink color? Can't those not be color photocopied, just like an all BW publication. They will also certify Barbaric Fantasy, Gobbledegook and some really notorious counterfeits, including Love and Rockets 1 (real and unreal)? Is it the presence of glossy cover stock that allows those to be processed by the CGC? Would they accept a first printing of Jesus Comics? It is a photocopy, but it has a water mark. Just wondering, please everyone share and enlighten,