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DELTA 62

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    Certified Collectibles Group to Acquire James Spence Authentication

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    I don't feel any signatures outside of CGC Signature Series (witnessed) should get the yellow label.  In their announcement, CCG/CGC specifically distinguished the difference between JSA authentication and CGC Signature Series - in other words, they made a point to remind everyone which one is witnessed directly and which one is not.  One shouldn't have to look at the fine print on a yellow label to figure out if it was JSA authentication or actually witnessed.  The slab's label color itself should tell you right off the bat what the book is all about.  Adding JSA authentication to the yellow label series at minimum dilutes the integrity of the yellow label.  JSA authentication should get its own label color.  

    The JSA acquisition is going to be a game changer for Signed non witnessed books

    in The Signature Room

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    On 3/27/2024 at 1:30 PM, William-James88 said:

    ok that makes sense. So half of what's necessary for a witnessed sig could have come from Kevin's team while the other half came from the shop owner I dealt with. I mean, neither are people who work for CGC, which was my main point. But I guess that doesn't matter since what's necessary is the approval from CGC, not their direct presence.

    CGC approved witnesses are paid for by CGC.  So, if you want to call that as people who work for CGC, that argument could be made.  

    The JSA acquisition is going to be a game changer for Signed non witnessed books

    in The Signature Room

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    On 3/27/2024 at 9:29 AM, DELTA 62 said:

    What you described above is not how CGC Signature Series works let alone how CGC witnesses work.  First of all, CGC Signature Series doesn't have to be at every con for a book to qualify for the yellow label / Signature Series.  That's why they have a network of approved CGC Signature Series facilitators that work various cons / private signings.  A facilitator, however, can't witness the signatures themselves - that's the role and literal job of the approved CGC witness.  A facilitator has to have an approved CGC witness work with them per event.  A CGC witness just doesn't get approved to witness an event without working with a facilitator or CGC themselves (if they are at the event).  If the Eastman books were signed privately away from the crowd, that's fine as long as the approved CGC witness was present for the signing and that there was an approved CGC Signature Series facilitator working that event.  That scenario isn't uncommon.  But if CGC's Signature Series process wasn't followed for the book you posted, then CGC Signature Series needs to investigate what happened.  

    For my $.02, I don't feel any signatures outside of CGC Signature Series should get the yellow label.  In their posting, CGC specifically distinguished the difference between JSA authentication and CGC Signature Series - in other words, they made a point to remind everyone which one is witnessed directly and which one is not.  One shouldn't have to look at the fine print on a yellow label to figure out if it was JSA authentication or not.  The book's label color itself should tell you right off the bat what the book is all about.  In my humble opinion, adding JSA authentication to the yellow label series at minimum dilutes the integrity of the yellow label.  JSA authentication should get its own label color.  

    And if I recall correctly, Kevin Eastman has people on his staff that are CGC approved facilitator and witnesses.

    The JSA acquisition is going to be a game changer for Signed non witnessed books

    in The Signature Room

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    On 3/27/2024 at 6:07 AM, William-James88 said:

    I know for a fact that this sig below wasnt supervised by CGC. Eastman appeared at a local show which had 0 CGC presence. A local comic store owner applied to be a witness and got approved and had Eastman to sign a bunch privately, away from the crowd.
    While there is 0 incentive to forge Eastman’s sig when he’s right there, all I can do is take their word for it. Could be that they missed or forgot a book and thus forged a sig among the others sent to CGC.

    unlikely, but there’s no proof one way or another. CGC wasnt there, CGC didnt witness anything, they didn't supervise jack. They are simply taking the word of someone who is bringing in more business for them. And that gives me this nice yellow label book that makes it look like an official CGC witnessed sig.

     

    As we saw with the recent scandal, this whole CGC thing is merely trust based, and there could always be people abusing that system.
     

     

    What you described above is not how CGC Signature Series works let alone how CGC witnesses work.  First of all, CGC Signature Series doesn't have to be at every con for a book to qualify for the yellow label / Signature Series.  That's why they have a network of approved CGC Signature Series facilitators that work various cons / private signings.  A facilitator, however, can't witness the signatures themselves - that's the role and literal job of the approved CGC witness.  A facilitator has to have an approved CGC witness work with them per event.  A CGC witness just doesn't get approved to witness an event without working with a facilitator or CGC themselves (if they are at the event).  If the Eastman books were signed privately away from the crowd, that's fine as long as the approved CGC witness was present for the signing and that there was an approved CGC Signature Series facilitator working that event.  That scenario isn't uncommon.  But if CGC's Signature Series process wasn't followed for the book you posted, then CGC Signature Series needs to investigate what happened.  

    For my $.02, I don't feel any signatures outside of CGC Signature Series should get the yellow label.  In their posting, CGC specifically distinguished the difference between JSA authentication and CGC Signature Series - in other words, they made a point to remind everyone which one is witnessed directly and which one is not.  One shouldn't have to look at the fine print on a yellow label to figure out if it was JSA authentication or not.  The book's label color itself should tell you right off the bat what the book is all about.  In my humble opinion, adding JSA authentication to the yellow label series at minimum dilutes the integrity of the yellow label.  JSA authentication should get its own label color.  

    May the Force be with you! Star Wars Signature Series Thread!

    in The Signature Room

    Posted

    On 3/20/2024 at 4:16 PM, dbcn said:

    That seems beyond unprofessional - Official Pix should 💯 know better.

    @frank4713 if you don’t mind, can you follow up on this thread (or the one in restoration) after you hear back? If thats SOP for Official Pix I wont risk sending them any more books - yikes.

    I see it all the time - sticky notes being put on Funko boxes, 8x10 photos, posters, props, etc.   

    May the Force be with you! Star Wars Signature Series Thread!

    in The Signature Room

    Posted

    On 3/20/2024 at 12:14 PM, frank4713 said:

    Just got this back from Official Pix and words cannot describe how upset and disappointed I am.  Official Pix completely ruined what would have been a perfect signing by Mark Hamill.  I submitted a CGC 9.8 for this signing and and it came back with an 8.0 grade.  The primary reason for this grade on the grader notes is "tape residue on the front cover."  I gave them a perfect book to get signed, and it was ruined by their handlers by putting tape on the cover for the signing.  Who does that???  This massive error and misstep on Official Pix's part essentially rendered the book worthless.  Out of 336 copies of this book in the CGC census that are signed, only 2 of them are below a 9.8 grade (this is one of them, and the other has a 9.4 grade).

    Anyone have experience with something like this before and how to handle it?  Any recourse you think I can take out of this?  And outside of dealing with the matter with Official Pix, does anyone have experience with tape residue and is that something that could be removed/cleaned to help bump back up the grade?

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    That is horrible to hear - I am so sorry this happened.  Reaching out to Official Pix (and even taking it as far up the chain as possible) is the first step.  There is always a risk when one cracks open a previously graded book, but to have someone put/leave tape residue on the comic is unacceptable.  And as indicated before, when you take into the cost of his signature and that he is not doing signings much these days makes it even worse. 

    I am just totally guessing here... I am wondering if the book wasn't window bagged for the signature (not even with CGC's yellow ones or any after market variation).  These days, the "handlers" at the cons like to put notes on sticky notes (i.e. if the item getting signed will be personalized, add a quote, add a character name, how many items are getting signed, if you are getting a selfie-combo with the signature, etc.) to help out the guest and they tend to put those notes right on the item.  I am wondering if that's what happened here - that the book was simply taken out of a bag/board and a "handler" put a sticky note on it for Mark to know what to write/do with the book.   And if that is what happened, it is still not acceptable.  Official Pix should have made sure nothing sticky was put on that cover.  

    I hope Official Pix makes things right for you - good luck!