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1 hour ago, krighton said:

Sorry Tony Stark is Iron Man, he even made that clear near the end....Pepper Potts is not Iron Man, anyone can wear the armor, but no human in the Marvel Universe,  besides Reed Richards,  has the tech savvy, smarts and deep felt humanity as the original man in the Iron Suit

1 hour ago, ChasingKingKirby said:

Uhhhhh, people become attached to characters.   It isn't going to be easy for audiences to see someone else playing Iron Man.  Plus RDJ is larger than life.   He was literally perfect for that part.   Not a fan of Chris Evans, and don't think it will be AS difficult to replace him.   Whoever, plays Iron Man will forever be measured against RDJ.  Tough.

I'm not saying to recast RDJ or replace him. I'm saying a what if Pepper Potts as CEO of Stark Enterprises decided to continue Stark's dream of a suit of armor around the world, what if she decides to keep Iron Man alive by keeping the suit operational but with a young team of remote operators. It might be kind of cool to sort of democratize the armor so that anybody could be in the armor, but not to replace Tony Stark, but honor him. And it might be cool if RDJ wants to stick around the MCU in a limited capacity by being a kind of AI for this effort to keep Iron Man alive.

19 minutes ago, krighton said:

it's called RECASTING

And Brie Larson is waaaay better than Emily Blunt who was like a non-entity as Mary Poppins 2.0.

18 minutes ago, krighton said:

it's called RECASTING

You can recast her in your dreams, how 'bout that?

29 minutes ago, buyatari said:

 

The other option is to start over with new origins and pretend none of this happened as they have done before. 

The MCU is like Star Wars now. It’s too successful to reboot and Marvel doesn’t have to. Anybody, or nobody, can be Iron Man. It can even be team of people, S.T.A.R.K.

11 minutes ago, TwoPiece said:

100% true.

I would not call Black Panther or Captain Marvel "A-list" heroes (yet).

How well will a Black Panther sequel do without a Killmonger or Klaue? How well will a Captain Marvel sequel do without tie-in to an Avengers movie, Samuel L. Jackson, and Goose..? Their sequels will tell us whether or not they're on the way to that A-list status.

But that’s the brilliance of Kevin Feige’s plan. Avengers 1 doesn’t work without the success of IM, Cap, and Thor’s first movies. Infinity War is that much bigger because of the success of GOTG and Black Panther. It’s been a cross-over team effort since Phase One and will continue to be so as long as they keep making good movies to build off each other.

56 minutes ago, ianh said:

Oooooo You can't disrespect wamen and their haircuts here. White Knight Chuck is going to get you. edit: nm I see he already told you to gtfo of his site

I agree with the B rated super heroes statement. Without Cap and IM Avengers doesn't work. People keep trying to fit comic teams like Secret Avengers and West Coast Avengers into the MCU. It's just not the same and won't bring the huge crowds in. It's like having the JL without Superman and Batman. Doesn't work. I think Avengers needs to be done and dead with IM and it was a good way to end it.

Hmm, Iron Man and Captain America are only A list now because of the MCU movies.  Before that, Spider-Man, Hulk, and Wolverine are your A listers. Besides Spidey, the MCU has created other A listers because of its success including Black Panther, Thor, and yes, even Captain Marvel. The Avengers have worked for 60+ years with a rotating roster. They’ll be fine and maybe better off without Stark.

So the MCU can’t draw the big crowds without IM and CA, huh? Hmm. Let’s say Disney doesn’t need every MCU movie to make 3 billion dollars but are fine with a billion. Nearly every MCU movie without RDJ or Evans has made almost a billion and the last two films, Black Panther with enthusiasm from the African American community, and Captain Marvel, with enthusiasm from women all over the world, have made well over a billion. I think the MCU will be just fine.

1 hour ago, Chuck Gower said:

Personally, I feel the Black Widow movie may never happen. I think Marvel promised it, thinking they’d do it, but more as an answer to, ‘Why hasn’t there been a female led superhero movie for Marvel yet?’ Now they don’t have to answer that question any longer (though it now becomes,’How come only ONE?’), and really WHY would you make a prequel movie about a character who has no future arc, or place in what goes forward?

Black Widow has a writer, a director, is partially cast. It's happening and is coming out next year. I think if it's a prequel, it may tie in to the Disney Plus shows so that it serves a future story arc. If it's present day, a cosmic Black Widow story where she somehow escapes the Soul Stone (which has been done in the comics) would be out of this world. But I think it's a prequel with a story that maybe sets up present day Falcon and Bucky, kind of like what Captain America First Avenger did. Serpent Crown, maybe? Been waiting for that little Marvel artifact to rear its ugly head for a while now.

32 minutes ago, Chuck Gower said:

Iron Man’s death felt like a cheap ploy for trying to add extra sympathy to the movie. He didn’t HAVE to die. And don’t even get me started on how he got a funeral, with all of these characters making an appearance at it and the heroes going on and on, while… Black Widow’s death was kind of a blip.

And speaking of: Why couldn't it be Hawkeye who sacrifices himself? Wouldn't that have been more dramatic, as he has a family and sacrificing himself for the good of the universe would've been on par with what Tony Stark did? Instead, we get Black Widow, who ends up with one of the worst story arcs of any of the MCU characters - introduced as a 'vixen' from the beginning, and considered a failure because she can't reproduce - she sacrifices HER life because Hawkeye DOES have a biologically created family. (Go back and watch her middle scenes in Ultron - she calls herself a ‘monster’ because she can’t conceive and her scenes in IM2, as a ‘sexpot’ are kind of embarrassing, for someone who’s supposed to be an A-list Avenger…)

I had a few gripes with Endgame, too, but after a second view, my gripes that I guess were born out of personal  expectations went out the window, and I love the movie. I like how Marvel Studios is taking more risks with their storytelling, from Ragnarok to Black Panther to Captain Marvel and this movie, they're experimenting now because they can afford to, and I like it.

Did Tony Stark have to die? At that point in the battle, it was maybe 50/50. Strange, with a little party trick, fooled Thanos into thinking he had the actual Gauntlet, which bought everybody some time and allowed Tony to get the real Gauntlet With Thor and Danvers, they could have all ganged up on Thanos as the mothership was now destroyed though there were still thousands of alien soldiers left. Tony could have given the Gauntlet to Carol Danvers, but he didn't, he made the decision to end it once and for all, and without asking Carol or Thor to possibly sacrifice themselves. He sacrificed himself to end any chance of Thanos getting the Gauntlet back and wiping out the universe. He didn't have to use the Gauntlet, but I think it was a logical choice. It was his tech, and even though he can be a jerk at times, Stark really was a hero, and proved it at that moment. 

I also think it made sense that Black Widow made the sacrifice. Clint made peace with his past already, he moved on. Natasha never could. She'd been looking for a way to clear her ledger since Phase One. I think she cleared it in Endgame.

One benefit of Tony Stark leaving the picture is now everybody has to up their game, and that would be a good thing. It got too easy for the filmmakers to just have Stark dream up a device and problem solved. It was kind of a Mary Sue of technology and it got to be too much, I think. Now Banner, Hank Pym and Shuri will have to be the big tech brains until Reed Richards finally comes along in a few years. 

5 hours ago, buyatari said:

It is hard to know in comics when someone is really dead. Is Tony Stark dead dead?

If so that would have to mean no more movies with the Tony Stark character. 

I’d been hoping there would be an Armor Wars based movie in the future. However, no Tony Stark = no Armor Wars. 

I think if Tony Stark were to come back at all in the MCU it would be as an AI. It would kind of sync with his tech legacy that he'd become his own creation in the end. You saw a hint of that at the end of Endgame. And all RDJ would have to provide is his voice if he's game and Disney wants to pay him. Anybody could be inside the Iron Man armor, or nobody. 

30 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

Where do you get that hate from? I really dislike when folks make this a holy war between Marvel and DC. And it disrupts having a decent discussion because folks are beating on their chest over Marvel, like THEY wrote the stories and casts the actors and produced the films.

The dude said he was basically done with the MCU because he loves only Iron Man and Captain America. The only other comic book universe to turn to is the DCEU.  And I think we can all agree that because of Zach Snyder that universe has been on the average subpar. I loved Wonder Woman, thought Shazam! was good. But the MCU is so compelling now, I just don't understand the equal "hate" people have for Marvel just because they're trying to give women a more prominent role in the franchise. Last I checked we're in the 21st century and...oh wait, that guy's still president...never mind...

14 minutes ago, ChasingKingKirby said:

He just made an honest observation.   It's his opinion.  I happen to share it.   The female force thing was really cringe-worthy.   Iron Man and Cap REALLY are the heart and soul of the team.   Doesn't mean they can't be replaced, but it remains to be seen whether they can be or not.  Not by Brie Larson or Falcon as Cap.   That's for sure...

And I honestly wished him well as he swears off the only comic book movie franchise that really matters. Yay, Suicide Squad! Meanwhile, I’ll look forward to The Eternals, Doctor Strange 2, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3, Black Panther 2, yes, even Captain Marvel 2, Thor 4, rebooted X-Men, rebooted Fantastic Four, those Disney Plus shows...ah, life as a Marvel fan is good....

13 minutes ago, krighton said:

without Tony Stark and Capt America i wont be watching any B rated super heroes......they'll probably turn the Avengers into A-Force with an all female cast...it almost seemed like that one moment in the film was leading up to the that....and Captain Marvel, get a new haricut, looked horrible.

Have fun with DC then. They need your money more than Disney does. Happy trails!

59 minutes ago, OrangeNemesis said:

heard some theories about where cap going back and staying in the past is going to create a multiverse etc. Which could def be the way they bring in Mutants etc. some interesting stuff is gonna happen now

I think the mutants (who won’t appear for a while if Feige is telling truth) will be explained by the Celestials Deviant gene. The Eternals movie I think is going to be big in opening up the MCU post Endgame.

I wonder if this alternate timeline concept in Endgame will be how we finally get the Magus, the evil version of Adam Warlock (when he appears)? Wonder if we’ll get a Counter Earth, (also from Warlock)?

1 hour ago, Bosco685 said:

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WandaVision

Welp, Vision is dead. It looks like that’s one death that will stick…or is it? If you’ll recall, Shuri had actually had downloaded Vision’s data, meaning that they could very well create another body for him. The only other wrinkle? They don’t have an Infinity Stone to actually bring him legitimate sentience. That being said, comic book logic could always come up with a solution.

 

However, it’s not a sure thing that it will take place after Endgame. It could very well follow the romance between the two between Civil War and Infinity War. Recent comments from Elizabeth Olsen hint at a ’50s aesthetic to the series…but unfortunately that doesn’t give us much to work with.

I wonder if this one is now going to have a title change after Endgame?

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Falcon And Winter Soldier

This one seems to be the most straightforward of the bunch, as it features two living characters and a pretty limited window as to when it can take place. At the end of Endgame, Steve has given Sam his shield, passing on the moniker of Captain America. It seems easy enough to infer that this series will follow the pair as Falcon adjusts to his new role as the new Star-Spangled hero.

 

The only thing that seems to contradict that is the word “Falcon” in the title, but that could very well be a branding thing, with Marvel Studios not wanting the uninitiated to think it’ll feature Steve Rogers. Then again, maybe this title was a mislead, and will ultimately be Cap and Winter Soldier. Additionally, there is pretty much no other time period in which this could take place. Outside of Captain America: Civil War, the two characters have had virtually no time together, so post-Endgame seems like a good bet.

Visions body was still intact in Wakanda (except a crater in his head). I figure being in the place Vibranium comes from is a convenient place to repair Vision’s vibranium body once Shuri figures out how to make his AI work without the Mind Stone.

And nobody said Sam Wilson was going to take the name Captain America. He’s just going to wield the shield as far as we know. Maybe put a star on his chest. 

1 minute ago, Bosco685 said:

Digital Spy did a piece just on this Stone alone that helps frame up the requirement.

Avengers: Infinity War's Soul Stone explained

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It's to be found on a peak on the planet Vormir, watched over by a surprisingly familiar face.

 

The thing is, to acquire the stone involves making the 'ultimate sacrifice' – ie killing the person you love the most. Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on whose perspective you take), Thanos has brought along his favourite daughter. (This is just like Agamemnon and Iphigenia in Troy: Fall of a City all over again…) The good news, Gamora, is that he loves you much more than you thought. As for the bad news...

 

Thanos awakens in a pool at the base of the peak with the stone in his hand. The trophy for 'worst father of the year' is presumably in the post.

That's Digital Spy's (who are they?) interpretation, and I wouldn't call them or whomever yahoo wrote the article an official source for the MCU. The Red Skull simply said "a soul for a soul." He didn't say "you must kill and murder someone you love against their will." Red Skull's words are open to interpretation. Clint and Natasha's sacrifice works and was more heartbreaking than Gamora's sacrifice, imo.

1 minute ago, TwoPiece said:

That would make him 105 years old at the end, though.

He looked more like 80 (which he would be if he stayed in 1970).

You could be right. It's neither here, nor there, though. 1945, 1970, there's a branch in time no matter where he went and stayed.

You have to think also that Steve's a super soldier and should age slower. I'd have thought he'd look better than he did at the end of Endgame, actually.

3 minutes ago, TwoPiece said:

I don't think Professor Hulk is doing any more Avenging. One of his arms is basically useless.

I think Banner suffered the injury because it seemed to me he wasn't fully Hulked out. I think Banner's gamma essence will fully heal him back. 

1 minute ago, TwoPiece said:

Cap remaining in 1970

If you look at the final scene, Cap went further back in time than 1970. That house and the cars and the music looked like post WWII to me, as in late 1940's.

7 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

He did. But he didn't provide this sacrifice. It was forced on him by Natasha's self-sacrifice and emotional ending.

As I said, according to Jim Starlin's Adam Warlock stories, the Soul Stone is almost alive and hungers. "A soul for a soul" totally works with Jim Starlin's interpretation as well as the MCU's. I don't think every sacrifice for the Soul Stone has to be some violent murder like Thanos did with Gamora. It can also be the situation with Clint and Natasha. It counts.

5 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

In order to take the Stone, you must lose that which you love. The Soul... for a soul.

I'd say Clinton certainly lost someone he loved. It was a sacrifice.

2 minutes ago, ChasingKingKirby said:

Disagree totally.  Where's the star power?   Cap and Iron Man ARE the Avengers.  Don't forget, Thor's gone too.  And so is Natasha and Vision.   We're left with the supporting cast to reform the team.  Ugh.   Outside of Tchalla, you can't support a big budget movie with that crew.  Teenage Spidey is entertaining.  Cap Marvel is way over powered and has the personality of drying paint.  Professor Hulk is annoying and pinning for Nat.  Who leads the new team?  

Sam was absolutely the wrong person to give the shield too.   His gimmick is entertaining and hard to replace.  It also made no sense.   He gives the shield to a guy that's been missing in action for five years that Cap has known for a couple years instead of his lifelong friend that is one of the best hand to hand combat fighters in the MCU?   I just don't get it.

"Lord, you give them eyes but they cannot see." - Gene Hackman, 1978

8 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

I said the very same thing early on in this thread, and totally agree.

Clint did not sacrifice Natasha. As a self-sacrifice action, she allowed herself to fall off the cliff. Like this plot point. 

Clint sacrificed his best friend Natasha. He didn't want to, but this one counts. The Soul Stone is hungry. It'll take what it can get, at least, according to Jim Starlin.

7 minutes ago, krighton said:

Ive tried to suspend belief and disregard most of the plot holes....

what did cap do with mjolnir, put it in the cupboard?  So now there's 2 mjolnirs in the timeline?

I must have missed completely Ms Marvel losing the hot potato infinity gauntlet, all of a sudden it was on the ground....

i would think she would be the only one to be able to use the gauntlet and not suffer any long lasting effects...or maybe doctor strange....and where were the heroes when everyone returned, Hawkeyes wife calls but no calls from all the heroic muscle

What the heck were they trying to do with the gauntlet, just run it all over the battlefield until the bad guys got it?  Marvel should have taken it to outer space

Why worry about putting the stones back since they dorked with the timeline so much already

How the heck did Cap put the stone back that was guarded by Red Skull....and why is Natasha's death more permanent than a death caused by the infinity gauntlet....so now the infinity gauntlet has limitations and can't bring someone back to life?

Ms Marvel could have used the infinity gauntlet to bring tony back to life, or can it not handle that type of thing.

would it have cost more for doctor strange to say words...kind of odd no speaking at all...maybe his tongue didn't materialize with his body or cumberbatch wanted more $ for a speaking role.

I think you need to watch the movie a second time. Most of your gripes are explained or aren't plot holes.

Rogers returns Mjolnir 2 to Asgard at the end. Carol lost the gauntlet because Thanos punched her. Carol could have used the gauntlet maybe, but Tony chose to end this thing once and for all. They were trying to bring the Gauntlet to the Quantum tunnel in the van to send it into the Quantum realm. Putting the stones back at the same time they were taken would prevent an alternate reality as explained by the Ancient One. Cap and the Soul Stone's return could make for an interesting tale, but it's not a plot hole. Maybe he didn't return it to Vormir? Maybe that's how it ends up with Adam Warlock in GOTG Vol 3?  Natasha and Gamora are in the Soul Stone and according to the comics, that's not a complete death. 

45 minutes ago, ianh said:

I think the MCU going forward will still do good but nothing like this and Avengers again. Without IM and Cap it just doesn't work. It's like taking Superman and Batman out of JL. Just doesn't work and I don't see the newer characters having that star power to do this again.

What!? It's because of Iron Man and Captain America that the Avengers didn't work (as a team). You mean it doesn't work without all that in-fighting? And there have been a few MCU team ups the past few years sans RDJ and Chris Evans and they seemed to do just fine. Guardians of the Galaxy don't need them. Thor's little team of heroes in Ragnarok didn't need them. Carol Danvers even had her own little team with Nick Fury, Maria, and Talos and it was a fun adventure. The Avengers without the tension between Stark and Rogers will be different, but they'll be just fine. There are different stories you can tell other than a Civil War. How about an Avengers team that actually gets along and is functional? What a concept!

45 minutes ago, ianh said:

I didn't think Sam was the right person to get it though. He has no powers and I have no interest in watching the Falcon and SW series but oh well it was a nice gesture I guess.

Sam was the perfect person. He's still a soldier and cares about the good fight. Bucky is like Steve, he just wants to rest after living a lifetime murdering people for Hydra and the Russians. Sam may need a suit and weapons upgrade (Vibranium?) to be a more suitable Cap/Falcon hybrid, but he'll do just fine, too.