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On 4/5/2024 at 2:47 PM, Matches_Malone said:
Very strong price for the Mark Schultz Xenozoic Tales Hannah Dundee T-Shirt Illustration $33,6k
I never even saw the image before but almost bid on it when it was in the low 20s. Such a beautiful piece of art!
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On 4/5/2024 at 2:30 PM, PhilipB2k17 said:
I don't know. How much did the 252 Cover or the SW 8 cover sell for? The were sold privately.
So you're comparing this interior page to your imagined (and unknown) prices of 2 iconic covers? So it would be a bad comp even if you had the values, but you don't have the values so you don't even have a comp?
Great!
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On 4/5/2024 at 2:07 PM, jjonahjameson11 said:
Byrne Xmen page went at $30K discount
Frenz ASM 252 page … a steal at $174K
Have to say I disagree strongly with both of these assessments.
Not sure where you're getting your Byrne comps from but the last Byrne X-Men page was better imo and sold for the exact same price (81k). And before that, the one in 2023, was much better (with prof x and the whole team), and it sold for 90. Where are you comping that this was a 30k discount?
And same for the 252 page. There was one crazy day where 2 black spidey pages sold super high. Outside of that day, if I told you that a 252 page was going to sell for 174k, that would be a HUGE number. Where do you see anywhere except for that one crazy sale of 2 pages that this isn't a GREAT number?
Sounds like you have a narrative ready to go and you're bending the facts to fit it.
The X-Men page sold for close to expected. The ASM page was a WOW sale.
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On 3/13/2024 at 2:44 PM, grapeape said:
For HA it's $5k and you can ask for a negotiated rate down on your end as seller.
Its 10k above if you want to negotiate closer to 0% seller fees.
This is how it was 3 years ago. Not anymore. Not if you're a new seller with them. (If you already sold with them in the past, it's different.)
Now, it's 50k and they lower it to 5% and 100k they lower it to 0.
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On 2/17/2024 at 10:39 PM, JollyComics said:
I understood you perfectly. Just added it.
I was saying that if you bid on something, whether you're ahead or not, if you click on "Auction Bids" it will show you the current price of everything you've bid on in the auction. It lets you follow each and every one like a watchlist. I'm not sure what email notifications have to do with it.
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On 2/17/2024 at 10:32 PM, tth2 said:I don't know if the absence of a watch list makes that much of a difference. Most people I know put in a tracking bid on Heritage, even though they do have a watch function, because it's a pain to toggle between a watch list and a bid list. It's easier just to consolidate everything someone is watching on one page, which ends up being the bid list.
In addition, many OA owners feel compelled to put in "defend the price" bids from the start to establish floor prices for the art and to goose the bidding. This is true on Heritage as well as as Clink. Combined with the tracking bids that many bidders put in, this quickly drives the prices up, but then they'll usually sit for a couple of weeks after the initial flurry.
My group of friends all put in trackers on CL. We don't do it on HA or CC. I know of many others that are the same. Because of the lack of watchlist.
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On 2/17/2024 at 10:04 PM, JollyComics said:
The notifications will be sent via email if you are outbid. It's always too late that auction is already ended.
You didn't understand what I wrote.
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ComicLink (unlink HA and CC) doesn't have a "watch item" function. No watchlist.
So everyone bids early, prices that everyone knows won't be the winners, so that items go on their "Auction Bids" list, which essentially functions as a watchlist. This happens every auction. As an effect of this, many items get most of their bids early and barely move at the end.
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On 1/16/2024 at 10:21 AM, jjonahjameson11 said:
I like both Lim and Perez equally with regard to their artwork and I don't have any stake regarding which artists' work on IG should fetch more attention/money.
Its been roughly 30 years since IG was published, and I remember it was a huge event. People were talking about it at their LCS, at conventions, at store signings, etc. So I'm certain that folks here remember that it was a big deal. Given the passage of time, memories tend to fade and some folks may have forgotten that there was a huge build-up to Infinity Gauntlet, starting with the return of Starlin to Marvel on Silver Surfer and its epic storyline whereby we see the return of Thanos, Drax, Gamora, Pip, Warlock, etc, all the way to the two-part Thanos Quest, which set the stage for Infinity Gauntlet.
Starlin's artistic collaborator throughout his return on Silver Surfer and Thanos Quest was none other than Ron Lim. He was integral in the success of illustrating Starlin's vision for the return of the 'Cosmic Gang' in addition to a rather seemless transition on IG when George had to leave.
Long story short, I feel that Ron Lim sometimes doesn't receive the credit due for contributing to the success of Starlin's cosmic opera, and is often overlooked as such, but I still remember it well
Also, Ron Lim is a super sweet class act. If you've ever met him, you know he's very kind. Obviously, Perez was too. Two absolute winners.
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On 1/15/2024 at 7:05 PM, 1classics said:
Yeah I'm well aware of the market, though I'm also aware of private sales I can't mention much about due to the nature of what it is being "private" LOL. One of which was a recent Lim interior sale that was well into the six figures. Coming from someone who has both Perez and Lim IG art, I'm not biased to one over the other, and I too love Perez's line work and detail to his art, but again to answer Erik's original question, it's not clear cut Perez > Lim as far as value is concerned in this case. And again, not all, but some of the most desirable "battle" pages that most collectors want are obviously in the hand of Lim, since much of Perez's art in this series though beautiful aren't battle pages.
What would be more interesting is would issues 4-6 if in the hand of Perez vs Lim bring more money? I've never really thought of it, perhaps it would? Or is it a TOS 39 scenario where it doesn't really matter who does the art (within reason), due to the importance of the issue or series in this case? Kirby or Heck for Iron Man? Or if it were in Kirby's hand, do the Iron Man TOS 39 pages bring more? Probably not right? Though different being a 1st appearance, the analogy here in question pertains to artist importance, especially when we're talking about one of the most important series of the modern era.
Now that I'm thinking about it more, perhaps I should've thrown another bid or two on the page you just won haha!
A lim interior for well into 6 figures? Are you talking about the 4 page deal?
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On 1/15/2024 at 6:01 PM, 1classics said:
It’s tricky, and the easy answer in most cases would be yes… but I say but here simply because the latter part of the book where Lim took over seems to be some of the most desirable pages amongst collectors. The battle issue for instance is #4, Perez only did the opening battle page with Thanos vs Hulk / Drax and the rest went to Lim. And some very important context/content pages are in #5 and of course #6, so as much as we’d say Perez over Lim in all other cases, perhaps not for IG. 🤷♂️
Many of the most expensive IG pages to sell, both publicly and privately, are Perez. In general Perez does outsell Lim, but there some great Lim battles and DPSs in the later books. But I've seen some Perez pages from IG sell for staggering amounts privately.
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On 1/15/2024 at 1:15 PM, KingOfRulers said:I only had a small number of lots on my watchlist. These were the main ones worth noting for me:
1) Romita Sr. Spider-Man card art. This piece went to the moon. Absolutely insane price. It's only about 4.5" x 6.5" in size. This sold for just a few thousand on Romita Man's site a couple of years ago, I believe. A few thousand is around what I figured it would still command today. Hitting $13.2k blew me away.
2) Perez Infinity Gauntlet page. I thought this page went low-ish. Not absurdly low, but it is Perez, IG, and Thanos. Pretty good page, in my opinion. I thought this would hit around $12k.
3) Bob Larkin X-Men card art from Fleer 1995. This one seems to solidify that 90's card art is no longer cheap. I'd call this a mid-tier piece. Fairly well known character by a fairly well known artist. $5k seems to be the going rate for that level of 90's card art. The last couple of HA auctions have yielded similar results for similar tier card art.
I bought the Perez IG page. I agree it was lowish. I figured it would sell for 12-14 and I would just watch. Especially with the better (more action filled) Perez IG Thanos pages recently selling in the 20s+. But when no one else bid, I did and won. Time will tell if I got a good deal or if the release of all the Thanos Quest pages has dampered the demand for early 90's Thanos. Even so, that being Lim and this being Perez makes this different imo. I'm happy to add it to my IG collection.
If anyone else has Infinity Gauntlet pages from book 1 and is considering selling them, I'd love to have a conversation.
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On 11/16/2023 at 1:17 PM, G.A.tor said:
first Iron Man panel at 280+...surprising or about right?
336,000.
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On 10/30/2023 at 5:28 PM, Dr. Balls said:
Because you're right - if it's one of those pieces you have to have: just go nuts. I'd rather have gotten the piece and been yelled at by my wife for an hour for spending the money, than to not have it - and like you said, you sell a few things to soften the blow - but in the end you have it.
Exactly. As long as you're not putting your family at any risk, sometimes it's good to figure it out later and have the piece.
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On 10/30/2023 at 1:49 PM, vodou said:
Too bad you missed it on CAF for 32k. That buyer flipped it immediately to Heritage.
EDIT: my mistake, I’m thinking of What If 29 cover, sorry.
The what if 29 cover was purchased at auction (by someone I know), sold to someone else 3 years later, then flipped on Heritage, and now Bill J owns it. Beautiful cover! but a different book as you said.
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On 10/30/2023 at 1:18 PM, Lago32 said:
That's fine and I have done it too on a couple of "gotta have it" pieces. But when we do that, in other words when we let nostalgia take control and "go nuts" as you put it, often it leads to bidding to irrational unprecedented levels. And again, that is fine except it invariably leads, and has lead to, exponential price jumps in OA as opportunistic dealers and collectors that hold that type of art will see these "go nuts" results as bar-setting. This results in that OA being that much higher for the rest of us which then triggers countless threads here complaining re rising prices. Again, I have done it but I am very aware of what I contributing to when I do it so I try to be selective where/when I do it. Unfortunately for the hobby, it is happening more and more nowadays as there are more collectors chasing less art = major FOMO = more people "going nuts"
So, if I understand you correctly, what you're saying is: Don't take my own money and buy what I love because it will lead to prices going up in the hobby? Doesn't it sound silly when rephrased like that?
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On 10/30/2023 at 12:30 PM, Lago32 said:
And people wonder how/why prices escalate in this hobby the way they do lol.
If I can buy what I love and make the money back by selling off other pieces that I don't love (and that have gone up in value over the years), why not?
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Sorry you lost out on the piece!
When that happens to me (and it happens once or twice a year between eBay, Heritage etc) I ask myself if I really wanted that piece or was it (my own) hype? Did I even know that piece existed a few days/weeks earlier? In this case, with your GA piece, I'm guessing not, right? In that case, realize there will be many more like that and move on.
The one piece that I absolutely needed to have was the What If 32 cover that showed up on eBay in 2018 or so. It was one of my favorite 2 or 3 comics as a kid and the cover showed up! I waited a week until the end of the auction, and with seconds left I upped the bid from 8k to 14k, and then when outbid, I went to 16k (WAYYYYYY more than I could afford at the time, but I had to have it), and still lost! I was super bummed for weeks.
Years later it showed up at Heritage (last year). I was determined to get it this time. It sat at 18k (or something like that) going into the live auction. All my friends were confident that if I was willing to go to 30k or so, it would be mine. I was so ready. 30k came and went, and when it sat at 46 or 48k (whichever the increment before 50k is) my buddies told me to just leave it be. I couldn't lose out on it again. It had become a mission. I bid 50 (all in, with bp), and won it. I immediately sold a couple other pages to soften the blow, and have had no regrets at all since. It sits behind me on my wall right now.
So, if it's a piece you just happened upon, let the loss go. There will be many others. If it's a piece you've loved since childhood, GO NUTS!
(https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1868226)
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On 10/27/2023 at 4:50 AM, Nexus said:
Your take on this does come off like a case of sour grapes for the consignor. But what I believe the OP was trying to say is that the dealer may have taken the cover on "consignment" and then immediately "sold" it...to himself. At perhaps below market value. And is now flipping it himself 18 months later. At a much higher value. Read his post again.
Or maybe that's not what happened. Whatever the case may be, consignors should have the right to know who bought their art. IMO.
With no proof at all except that the page is for sale again at a higher price? Making the accusation itself is sour grapes. I've sold pieces through dealers that those dealers then had again years later, that's the business. And if consignors insist on knowing who buys their art, all the anonymous buyers that dealers have go away. I'd rather have access to a larger pool of buyers, that's why I sometimes go through a dealer in the first place.
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On 10/25/2023 at 11:45 AM, BigMookie said:Is a year and 8 months considered a flip of the day? I don't know, but I figured I'd submit it anyway. I had a stack of pieces on consignment last year (won't say where), one of which was a Robertson cover to Wolverine #12. I had no idea what to ask on most of my pieces, so I was asked what I paid for it...which was $900 a year or two prior. I needed the funds for car repair....life happens. It was suggested I ask $2k for it. I followed the advice and was told it sold almost instantly...I don't know that I personally saw it go up on the site for sale. Now, a little over a year and a half later, here it is again.....for $8500!!!! Did the buyer decide to sit on it and flip it? Sure feels like it. Who was the buyer? No idea. I do know that I had a Buscema Avengers page that I proposed with an asking price half of this and was flat out told/refused its listing.
I do know that I'll never be buying or selling through any dealers ever again....not that any GAF.
https://www.panelpageart.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=3620&ArtistId=216So you bought a page for 900, then, by your own admission, flipped it within a year or two for more than double (2k), and this happened before the Covid run-up....then, soon after, all the pieces went up in value and now the buyer is trying to do what you did (flip it for more) and you're resentful? Sounds like sour grapes to me.
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