Fischb1

On 5/12/2024 at 11:00 PM, Benedict Judas Hel said:

Well, now that CAF Live is over, I can offer my personal experience.  There were about half a dozen items that interested me (but not enough to pay the posted asking price) and saved them for later hoping that a seller would reach out for a possible deal.  Alas, none did.  But that didn’t really matter as I was able to secure a piece I really wanted out right!  It was piece that was more expensive than what I usually pay for examples from the same series but it was actually 2 consecutive pages (concerning the same character) and it was from someone I had bought from before and always love doing business with (Fisch B.!).  He was gracious enough to accept timed payments in order for me to be able acquire these pages as well as offering me a discounted price at the same time!  He has done more to increase my personal collection than any other single person.  Thanks again, Fisch!

Always a pleasure, Benedict! 

On 5/12/2024 at 6:07 PM, PhilipB2k17 said:

Right. I don’t know why I wrote that. LOL!

Well I’m glad you were able to sell some pieces. I guess we should all lay off the Donnellys from here on out.

 

In my own defense (as you compare me to the Donellys), if you watched me on Bill's show any of the 3 times I did amateur dueling dealers, I commonly sell art at cost or under my cost. Last time I did Dueling dealers I sold like 16k worth and I was negative 1k from what I'd spent on the art. I don't usually care or try to make a profit on art I sell. But my collection has been narrowed down so much (I own about 45 pages), that almost anything I'm selling now, I don't really want to sell. I guess it's possible that the Donellys feel that way about all their pieces? I don't know, I can't talk for them. 

On 5/12/2024 at 5:58 PM, PhilipB2k17 said:

I don’t understand the “make me an offer prices” thing at CAL. How is that any different than every other day on CAF? Did you actually get any of those offers on your pieces? 

 

Yes! I sold 4 pages. And I'm sad to see each of them go. But I'm putting it all towards a bigger purchase!

(And not to be pedantic, but they aren't make an offer prices, the price is already posted. They're make me sell it prices.)

On 5/12/2024 at 5:30 PM, Sean I said:

Leaving out the other offer you disclosed, was probably a good enough point.  The rest was really over egging the pudding.  Citing a previous public sale makes sense in negotiations.  Also why the hell should he pay your credit card fee and the bigger question, how on earth would he know to put that into the calculation you expected him to make?  You also expected him to know the sales tax in your state?

I'm saying that from his post alone, you would think he made a reasonable offer over the sales price I paid. 

But, anyone who's bought from an auction knows that there are all sorts of other taxes and fees involved, and if you think about that for a second, he would have realized that his offer wasn't very much over the sales price.

Also, what I did this CAL (and many others did as well), is put up pieces with a "make me sell it" price. Not pieces I necessarily want to sell, but pieces I'll sell if someone gives me a great price on. So, when he messaged me, I politely told him that I'd already been offered 6 (which is true), and that was it. I didn't expect to find a post about it on here. Once I did, yea, I'm going to show that the numbers on his offer never added up anyway. That clear enough for you?

On 5/12/2024 at 12:30 PM, Andahaion said:

Pretty  event for me this time. Made an offer that was a (what I thought) fair percent above what the piece sold for at auction last year. Was told that was a lull in the market and prices have “stabilized”. Which in this example meant about a 55% increase over said auction result. Who knows. Maybe. I wished him well and moved on. Sunday’s drop was very disappointing from where I sit. Onward and upward. 

You cut out the part where I told you I already had a higher offer. You offered me 5250 on a piece that I already have a 6k offer on.

Also, when you sent me your calculation based on what I paid and what you think it should go for (which is a weird way to try to buy something that belongs to someone else), you failed to include the taxes and shipping and extra fee I paid (by paying comiclink with a credit card). So, in all, you offered me 5250 on a piece I paid nearly 4700 for.

On 4/17/2024 at 11:41 AM, Dr. Balls said:

Not sure if this fits in your focus @Fischb1 - awesome dialogue.

Thanks @Dr. Balls It's a beautiful page.

On 4/5/2024 at 2:47 PM, Matches_Malone said:

Very strong price for the Mark Schultz Xenozoic Tales Hannah Dundee T-Shirt Illustration $33,6k

I never even saw the image before but almost bid on it when it was in the low 20s. Such a beautiful piece of art!

On 4/5/2024 at 2:30 PM, PhilipB2k17 said:

I don't know. How much did the 252 Cover or the SW 8 cover sell for? The were sold privately. 

So you're comparing this interior page to your imagined (and unknown) prices of 2 iconic covers? So it would be a bad comp even if you had the values, but you don't have the values so you don't even have a comp?

Great!

On 4/5/2024 at 2:39 PM, jjonahjameson11 said:

Given I am not in the best of health, I would be happy to discuss with you at a later date, point by point.

This is the only thing that is important. I'm sorry about your health. Get better soon!

On 4/5/2024 at 2:25 PM, PhilipB2k17 said:

If I recall, the speculation before the Secret Wars 8-page auction was that it would hit $750,000, max. So even from that standpoint, the 252 page is kind of underwhelming.

Show me any comp outside of that one day and those 2 pages. Even 1. 

On 4/5/2024 at 2:22 PM, PhilipB2k17 said:

Not "wow" for the owner of the Secret Wars 8 page. More like an "Ow!"

Yes, but one sale does not a market make. People who base all their expectations off that one sale are being silly. 

On 4/5/2024 at 2:07 PM, jjonahjameson11 said:

Byrne Xmen page went at $30K discount

 

Frenz ASM 252 page … a steal at $174K

Have to say I disagree strongly with both of these assessments.

Not sure where you're getting your Byrne comps from but the last Byrne X-Men page was better imo and sold for the exact same price (81k). And before that, the one in 2023, was much better (with prof x and the whole team), and it sold for 90. Where are you comping that this was a 30k discount?

And same for the 252 page. There was one crazy day where 2 black spidey pages sold super high. Outside of that day, if I told you that a 252 page was going to sell for 174k, that would be a HUGE number. Where do you see anywhere except for that one crazy sale of 2 pages that this isn't a GREAT number? 

Sounds like you have a narrative ready to go and you're bending the facts to fit it.

The X-Men page sold for close to expected. The ASM page was a WOW sale.  

On 3/13/2024 at 2:44 PM, grapeape said:

For HA it's $5k and you can ask for a negotiated rate down on your end as seller.

Its 10k above if you want to negotiate closer to 0% seller fees.

 

This is how it was 3 years ago. Not anymore. Not if you're a new seller with them. (If you already sold with them in the past, it's different.)

Now, it's 50k and they lower it to 5% and 100k they lower it to 0. 

On 2/17/2024 at 10:39 PM, JollyComics said:

I understood you perfectly.  Just added it.

I was saying that if you bid on something, whether you're ahead or not, if you click on "Auction Bids" it will show you the current price of everything you've bid on in the auction. It lets you follow each and every one like a watchlist. I'm not sure what email notifications have to do with it. 

On 2/17/2024 at 10:04 PM, JollyComics said:

The notifications will be sent via email if you are outbid. It's always too late that auction is already ended.

You didn't understand what I wrote. 

On 1/16/2024 at 10:21 AM, jjonahjameson11 said:

I like both Lim and Perez equally with regard to their artwork and I don't have any stake regarding which artists' work on IG should fetch more attention/money.

Its been roughly 30 years since IG was published, and I remember it was a huge event.  People were talking about it at their LCS, at conventions, at store signings, etc.  So I'm certain that folks here remember that it was a big deal.  Given the passage of time, memories tend to fade and some folks may have forgotten that there was a huge build-up to Infinity Gauntlet, starting with the return of Starlin to Marvel on Silver Surfer and its epic storyline whereby we see the return of Thanos, Drax, Gamora, Pip, Warlock, etc, all the way to the two-part Thanos Quest, which set the stage for Infinity Gauntlet.

Starlin's artistic collaborator throughout his return on Silver Surfer and Thanos Quest was none other than Ron Lim.  He was integral in the success of illustrating Starlin's vision for the return of the 'Cosmic Gang' in addition to a rather seemless transition on IG when George had to leave.

Long story short, I feel that Ron Lim sometimes doesn't receive the credit due for contributing to the success of Starlin's cosmic opera, and is often overlooked as such, but I still remember it well 

Also, Ron Lim is a super sweet class act. If you've ever met him, you know he's very kind. Obviously, Perez was too. Two absolute winners. 

On 1/15/2024 at 7:05 PM, 1classics said:

Yeah I'm well aware of the market, though I'm also aware of private sales I can't mention much about due to the nature of what it is being "private" LOL. One of which was a recent Lim interior sale that was well into the six figures. Coming from someone who has both Perez and Lim IG art, I'm not biased to one over the other, and I too love Perez's line work and detail to his art, but again to answer Erik's original question, it's not clear cut Perez > Lim as far as value is concerned in this case. And again, not all, but some of the most desirable "battle" pages that most collectors want are obviously in the hand of Lim, since much of Perez's art in this series though beautiful aren't battle pages.

What would be more interesting is would issues 4-6 if in the hand of Perez vs Lim bring more money? I've never really thought of it, perhaps it would? Or is it a TOS 39 scenario where it doesn't really matter who does the art (within reason), due to the importance of the issue or series in this case? Kirby or Heck for Iron Man? Or if it were in Kirby's hand, do the Iron Man TOS 39 pages bring more? Probably not right? Though different being a 1st appearance, the analogy here in question pertains to artist importance, especially when we're talking about one of the most important series of the modern era. 

Now that I'm thinking about it more, perhaps I should've thrown another bid or two on the page you just won haha! 

A lim interior for well into 6 figures? Are you talking about the 4 page deal? 

Luckily for the fans, Perez and Lim are/were both fantastic artists. I like to think of Lim as more of a crowdpleasing shiny cosmic bubbly style (that I loved as a kid and still love now), and Perez as a more serious and deep artistic style. 

On 1/15/2024 at 6:01 PM, 1classics said:

It’s tricky, and the easy answer in most cases would be yes… but I say but here simply because the latter part of the book where Lim took over seems to be some of the most desirable pages amongst collectors. The battle issue for instance is #4, Perez only did the opening battle page with Thanos vs Hulk / Drax and the rest went to Lim. And some very important context/content pages are in #5 and of course #6, so as much as we’d say Perez over Lim in all other cases, perhaps not for IG. 🤷‍♂️

Many of the most expensive IG pages to sell, both publicly and privately, are Perez. In general Perez does outsell Lim, but there some great Lim battles and DPSs in the later books. But I've seen some Perez pages from IG sell for staggering amounts privately. 

On 11/16/2023 at 1:17 PM, G.A.tor said:

first Iron Man panel at 280+...surprising or about right?

336,000. 

On 10/30/2023 at 5:28 PM, Dr. Balls said:

Because you're right - if it's one of those pieces you have to have: just go nuts. I'd rather have gotten the piece and been yelled at by my wife for an hour for spending the money, than to not have it - and like you said, you sell a few things to soften the blow - but in the end you have it. 

Exactly. As long as you're not putting your family at any risk, sometimes it's good to figure it out later and have the piece.