HuddyBee

Not a win on my part. Sadly I could't spend too much and my max bid was beaten by $10. But whoever won this got a steal on a fantastic book. The comic was pretty nicely hidden in the pictures and only visible on the last picture. I thought I was the only one who had noticed it, but sadly there was another.

On 8/31/2020 at 4:45 PM, Popeyeak49 said:

Admission into the club was steep but this has been on my list for a long time. 

Wow! Awesome book! Congrats on such a high grade. I could only dream of such a copy 

1 hour ago, Motor City Rob said:

What's your concern? Seems like a "normal" price for a lot of Batman books from the early 60's... some with Joker covers. And, these books seem to be in pretty nice condition. 

I don't see anything better then a FN, most looked VG at best. and that's off of the ebay photos. It just seems like a heck of a premium for raw books off eBay.

Can someone explain this to me? $697?! Somethin has got to be wrong.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/254648647046

On 7/3/2020 at 10:12 PM, jayhawker said:

First Chronos! Awesome. I've always loved this cover even if it doesn't feature it's newest Super Villain.

28 minutes ago, Joe Ankenbauer said:

Not to be argumentative, but you're forgetting Doll Man from Quality comics.

 Thank you. How could I forget Doll Man?

1 hour ago, Sweet Lou 14 said:

Comparing the two in terms of quality and impact seems completely ridiculous to me.  Could some of the art be "sublime"?  Sure, although none of it stacks up to Kirby and Ditko.  But art isn't where it all falls apart for me.

I'm not sure about this. Maybe I can understand your point from a writing perspective, although I do greatly enjoy Garnder Fox's DC Work. But in terms of impact, DC had a HUGE impact that can be seen today. They're responsible for the resurgence of Superheroes with Showcase 4. Hugely popular Characters like Barry Allen and Hal Jordan started in the Silver Age. Sure Barry Allen and Hal Jordan had the same superhero name as their GA counterparts, but they were far from just rehashes. The silver age made those characters.

As far as art is concerned I favor DC much more than anything put out by Marvel. Kubert, Anderson, G Kane, Fradon, Cardy are just a few artists that do indeed stack up and (IMO) surpass both Kirby and Ditko. I will say tho I've never been a fan of Kirby. 

I think currently it is difficult to compare DC and Marvels SA impact in the industry because everything is being overshadowed by the MCU. Marvel is very popular now, but that was not the case 15 years ago. 15 years ago DC and Marvel SA books were at fairly similar prices, because at that time both companies had a similar amount of popularity. Sometimes DC is more popular, sometimes Marvel. But I think there will always be a balance between the two. Don't think the hype from the MCU will last forever. 

11 hours ago, William-James88 said:

It was attached before. It came apart when the spine was realigned. Which is why this is pretty darn incredulous that the grade after the CF was detached is the higher grade.

Thanks, I agree this seems like a gross over-grade. I know that CGC is sometimes more lenient with GA books but this seems pretty crazy to me. I always thought a detached CF brought a book down to at least a 5.0 or a 4.0. 

5 hours ago, silverseeker said:

Hawkman #4 seems to be trending up again with the Zatanna movie rumors...

It's been going up for a while. Heck, I picked up a copy for $40 in 2016 and the book has skyrocketed since then. I'm just amazed at the price the book is going for, and I doubt it will go down. It's time SA DC keys got the attention they deserved.

I feel like this grade would make a little more sense if the book was say a NM copy other than the detached CF. But the book barely looks like a 7.0 even if the CF was attached, I really don't get it.

My question is why didn't the book have the detached CF noted in the original slab? Was it even detached then, or could it have come detached during the pressing? (I may have missed if this was answered)

I recently came across a centerfold for Superman No. 17. Just trying to find someone out there who might have a 0.5 that could use a centerfold, or who might need one for restoration/conservation purposes. Let me know if anyone knows someone who could use the centerfold. Thanks.

Edit: SOLD

14 hours ago, Carlucci54 said:

When I checked back later in the evening to see where it ended up, the final price was $ 390, with 19 bids.  Last minute bid retractions? Is that easy to do without consequences?  That could really disappointing for the seller.  Any other ideas?

I've retraced bids before for entering in a wrong amount, but eBay has never let me cancel a bid within 12 or 24 hrs (I can't remember which) of the auction ending. So I'm not quite sure what happened.

On 6/25/2020 at 9:09 PM, GrandmasterG said:

My goal was definitely for resell but not right away and I only planned on slabbing the ones that would be economically worth doing like some books Worth minimum about $200 or more.

I only slab a book if I plan on selling it or if I want a signature authenticated. Sadly, CGC only witnesses sigs and won't authenticate them, so I use the "other guys" for authentication. I would probably just wait until you plan on selling the book(s), and then slab it.

35 minutes ago, Beelz said:

Now there's a phrase I've never heard before 

While not my favorite artist, I really didn't mind him on Flash or Batman. Maybe not GREAT, but pretty good.

Not Jim Aparo's best cover, but some great Irv Novick interiors:

20 hours ago, Larryw7 said:

Anything by Frank Robbins.

I dunno. You'd have to be a pretty screwed up 5th grader to draw this  

I looked up an inflation calculator to compare comic prices over time. It's rather interesting. From 1960 to 1980, which is when I would say the most kids bought comics, you had prices at $0.87 - $1.56 in todays dollar. From the 80s to the 90s is when the comic market took a shift from being about reading comics to focusing on them as a collectible. This too could account for the increase in prices and the decrease in child readership. Either way it is interesting to note how comic prices have evolved over the decades.

10c (1940) - $1.83 (keep in mind usually 68 - 52 pgs)

10c (1950) - $1.06 (52 - 36 pgs)

10c (1960) - $0.87 (standard 36 pgs)

12c (1965) - $0.98

15c (1970) - $0.99

25c (1975) - $1.19

50c (1980) - $1.56

75c (1985) - $1.79

$1 - $1.25 (1990) ~ $2.20

$1.50 - $1.75 (1995) ~ $2.78

$2 - $3 (2000-2010) ~ $3.28

(2020) - $4

Keep in mind prices from the 90's and 2000's are harder to pinpoint as the price per book varied greatly.

Inflation Calculator used: https://www.usinflationcalculator.com

10/12 cents in the 60's might equate roughly to about a dollar now. True Believers and DC's dollar comics reprints are a good example that printing can be done today for rather cheap, and that selling a newly printed comic for $1 can still be profitable. Labor does have to be accounted for, but if books were printed more cheaply and priced at $1-2, I think kids would buy a lot more new comics. Heck, I would buy more new comics.  

Just reading about CGC's label's and I came to the pedigree label:

"Many pedigree collections were recognized and accepted by the bobby before CGC came into existence."

My only question is, who is "the bobby?"  But on a serious note, I dunno who, but someone should probably tell CGC to get this typo fixed.

6 hours ago, THE_BEYONDER said:

CT doesn’t Conserve anything.

You're right. It doesn't conserve like a tear seal or a reinforced cover. But maybe just as those conserve the structural integrity of a book, minor CT could be considered conservation of the presentation of the book. (?) I dunno, like I said:

On 6/21/2020 at 10:42 PM, HuddyBee said:

I have to admit, I don't really understand the "conserved" label,

Though I do know conservation is essentially a form of restoration. And while minor color touch might not actually "conserve" anything, it seems to me to fit better under that umbrella rather than the PLOD. Simply because just like some forms of conservation, CT can be very minor and very different from many other "restoration" processes.

Conserved books often sell for more than their restored counterparts. It seems odd to me that a conserved book with tear seals and even a possible recast could sell for more than one with minor CT. For this reason also, I feel minor CT might fit better in this category, even if it doesn't quite match the meaning of "conservation." 

7 hours ago, Crimebuster said:

Shouldn't this issue be a bigger deal? 

Makes sense.

You might be able to equate it to Namor's DC counterpart: Aquaman, with Showcase 30. Neither book is a first app. But just like SC 30 is Aquaman's first "tryout issue," the same could be said for Submariner in TTA 70. SC 30 sure gets a ton of attention, so I don't see why TTA 70 shouldn't.

My tracking too has disappeared. I thought about calling CGC. But now that I know it's a common issue, I'm sure they're on top of it .