DoctorWyoming1

Wow, was leaning toward 9.4, due to tic below the price box and the top left corner, but apparently they were not enough of an issue for the graders to knock you down from a 9.8!

On 3/20/2024 at 2:57 PM, drotto said:

You can certainly argue they should have done this sooner, but with the competitions authentication people have always questioned by whom and how those signatures have been verified. CGC has finally decided it is monitarly worth it for them to provide this service.  Do you remember those Steve Ditko signatures a few years back that were verified by a grading company and clearly fake?

 

Also, you may not write signed by Stan Lee on your book, but if the current fraud issues tell us anything, there are plenty of people who would.

I think there's a big difference between a Ditko signature and a Stan Lee signature.

(I do have to add that all of this went down when Stan was still alive and signing.)

Ditko was a introverted recluse with a standing insistence that he'd not sign anything unless he was currently working on it.

My ASM 1 was already worth a few grand when it was signed (Pre CGC's existence). Putting a fake name on it when the real guy was not only alive but signing everything in sight (for around 50 bucks) would have been lunacy. Might as well have drawn a mustache on the cover.

For that reason I always felt that outside verification should have been used for some of the bigger names. Glad that they now have gotten around to it!

I would add that now that Stan is gone that the possibility of fraud is greater than it was at the time this book was slabbed and that changes things. But c'mon, stan's sharpie signature kinda stands out.

On 3/20/2024 at 1:57 PM, wombat said:

I get it. You are mad about the green label. But you are just talking nonsense. 

No, not "mad" about the label. 

I would prefer to that signature that I had Stan do before there were even slabs be verified by a professional.

Signature verification is not nonsense, it is a valued service. Which is why CGC just decided to add it to their business. They certainly don't think it's nonsense. 

 Always interested at how mad others get over these things. 

On 3/20/2024 at 2:00 PM, drotto said:

You already had two tiers, yellow label and green label.  Green noted the signature and it was then up to the buyer if it was valid.

Um, no. Two tiers of authenticating signatures would be witnessed and professional verification. 

So, um, point that stick at yourself, sonny.

On 3/20/2024 at 1:50 PM, drotto said:

They should have been green, the existing policy is only witness signatures get the yellow label, and they had no way to say otherwise. There is no way a submitter or grader should have been taken as an authority on signatures. There are many very talented people out there that can fake signature or certificates of authenticity. Hell, I have seen many determined kids that can do a great job faking their parents signature. 

That's why you just have two tiers. Witnessed and professional verified. 

Buyers can judge for themselves, and the witnessed ones would be perferred of course.

That said, someone can fake/lie that it was witnessed... these are all inductive claims after all, and all in doubt. 

On 3/20/2024 at 1:44 PM, wombat said:

What color do you think they should have been?

My point is that this should have been dealt with this obvious problem years ago, at least for the well known/high end signers like McFarlane and Stan Lee.  They coulda hired someone who could have at least verify some of the artists/writers. Alternatively they could have accepted outside verification from professionals. 

Does anyone really think I just wrote "stan lee" on my copy of ASM 1?    

Glad they got around to it finally.

On 3/20/2024 at 1:37 PM, Matt1982 said:

The announcement was absolutely clear that this is the path to having CGC-graded books that were signed but unwitnessed. That other company gives them a yellow label and notes the difference between "witnessed" and "verified." Something like that would make a ton of sense here.

Yes.

What do I do with comics, magazines and cards with autographs that have been encapsulated with a CGC Qualified Grade green label?

We will offer a service for autographed collectibles that are already encapsulated in the CGC Qualified Grade green label to be recertified by JSA and CGC. An announcement will be made when this service is available.

So you can finally get rid of those ugly green labels.

A key issue here is that there are plenty of obvious signatures: The Todds and Stan Lees that should have never gone green in the first place.

On 3/20/2024 at 12:56 PM, lostboys said:

So CGC is acquiring the authenticating team?

And when they all eventually leave to start their own company?

CGC gonna train people to authenticate sigs?

Frightening.

 

 

 

Remember that they will consider this a separate service from the yellow label, maybe even a new 'color" for the slabs. The yellow labels will still be the gold standard.

On 3/20/2024 at 12:57 PM, grendelbo said:

About time.

YES.

Now I can resend my ASM 1 with the "Stan Lee written on cover" and maybe get the right MFing grade on it.

On 12/18/2023 at 1:14 PM, pmpknface said:

2 more towards the Hobgoblin collection, 1 is an appearance and 1 is a kinda-appearance.  

#278, tough white cover and a nice one by Mike Harris (gotta google him, don't know much of his work): 

And then there's this one, which has the Jack O'Lantern trying to get the Hobgoblin's battle van after it had gone in the river a few issues prior:

More issues to follow  -  stay tuned!   

Thanks @rube11 !!!

I slabbed 278 for the same reason, the white cover

More great personal collection slabs. You seem on your way to getting the first 101 issues slabbed,

It would benefit from a good clean and press. Getting vibes of a 6.0 and wondering if others agree. 

I don't know about slabbing as a good top loader plus your own home made label might be a better way to go. 

That said, if you want to slab it cuz you just want to, don't listen to anyone else and just go on and do it. 

On 12/28/2023 at 2:24 PM, wombat said:

5th party. duh. 

I remember a few years back some guy was selling cases to put your CGC cases in. So, to me, the 5th party people should be ensuring the quality of CGC case cases, whereas the 6th party group would check on the 4th party. 

As this all gets confusing every book would then come with a 7th party guarantee that all the rest are as they should be.

On 12/28/2023 at 11:01 AM, THE_BEYONDER said:

I’m curious how many potential  CGC consumers are even aware of this situation?  

Let's not forget that most potential CGC consumers are not dropping thousands of dollars on one slab. Most people are safe as their purchases fall well below what would interest a scammer. 

On 12/28/2023 at 8:38 AM, comicginger1789 said:

Very pleased to see this CGC! Some people might complain that it took them too long but unlike Joe blow with a YouTube account who can jump out and post whatever with little repercussion, it makes sense that CGC took time to investigate on their own. They obviously came to a similar conclusion and hopefully as their statement says, they have made adjustments to prevent this from ever happening again. Also releasing the flawed books is a great idea. 

Agreed. Taking time for a good response is the exact response I want from a professional group. The only thing that might have made this better was for a brief comment to the effect of "We are aware of this situation and are preparing a response." earlier on in this situation.

On 12/27/2023 at 8:56 AM, agamoto said:

a few minutes in, he doesn't have a very good grasp of what's going on, and it's based on some other youtube clips he's watched. He's a goodfellow, but with a situation as serious as this one, he and everyone on his level should be reading every single post in this thread.

He’s helpful if you want to learn how to clean and press books, otherwise it’s beat to stick with primary sources.

Regie Collects literally just posted a “heads in hands” pic for his “CGC scam” video. Someone here predicted this.

no need to post the link.

On 12/21/2023 at 4:22 PM, Buzzetta said:

Or the old Lakeside Tattooz FF 252 transfer to an ASM 238 switcheroo. 

Every time I see an FF 252 evil thoughts rise up. 

 

On 12/21/2023 at 1:53 PM, VintageComics said:

CGC released a list of serial numbers on these forums and asked people with books within those numbers to send them in for inspection to verify them. 

Thank you. Then there is a history of them releasing the list of books. Was over 1000 books for that debacle IIRC

On 12/21/2023 at 1:46 PM, skybolt said:

They will never release that list, just like they didn't in the Jason Ewert situation many years ago. The floodgates would open if that ever happens. They'll take the approach that if there is no significant proof that 95% of the books this guy submitted were swapped, then books in question are not tainted.

A guy who trimmed books? I think his list of submissions did get out, although I suppose not officially from CGC.

On 12/21/2023 at 1:33 PM, Axelrod said:

I do think CGC kind of owes it to the community to disclose all the books that this particular submitter sent in over whatever period of time we are talking about.  And then maybe offer a "free" service to "check" the validity of the books inside the cases. Not the number grade, per se, since that's so subjective anyway.  But for things like restoration/value stamps, etc.  

There's no way they will be compensating people for improperly labeled books though.  

I do wonder what they are doing right now and to what level they see this as a concern. They of course have the rest of the list of books this person submitted... unless this person was clever enough to submit under multiple names and addresses. 

On 12/21/2023 at 1:11 PM, Heronext said:

Cost of a reholder will increase and it will include a cursory check for obvious shenanigans but not a regrade.

I could roll with that. I'd also be happy to see them roll out a revamped case for the 'big boy books'. If you're already putting down 3% of FMV they should toss in a better case than the one they give you for Super Villain Team Up 7 in 4.5

On 12/21/2023 at 11:53 AM, mephistopheles said:

Prediction #1: ALL reslabs will have to be removed from the inner well and regraded moving forward.

Prediction #2: The price for reslabs is about to increase.

So the only lasting result will be that CGC makes more money? THAT seems like something I could bet the farm on...

On 12/6/2023 at 8:19 AM, FoggyNelson said:

Low grade goodness👍

Low grade + an interesting story usually beats high grade to me. 

Course, high grade + interesting story ain't so bad either...