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23 minutes ago, Galen130 said:

Nice!!! Cleaning/pressing in the right hands, 9.0.  I'll even reach to a 9.2...without dislocating my shoulder.    IMO or course.  G/L!!!

God Bless you

1 minute ago, Galen130 said:

I agree with pressing.  Are the staples clean?  Pics are a bit dark.

Yup

Just now, Dr. Love said:

all kidding aside - contrary to others, I feel if you really really really want the book, can't get it elsewhere and don't expect to in the near future, then bite the bullet and offer an obscene amount of money for it.  A month from now you'll have the book and probably, at the levels we're talking about?  won't miss the amount over FMV you coughed up

just do it!

Maybe you're the guy trying to sell me the book haha

3 minutes ago, Dr. Love said:

otherwise known as Reason #6 in "10 Reasons Why Sellers Don't Deserve the Price They're Charging, That They Never Listen To"

 

Cool. Where can I find more info on this list of 10 reasons ?

Just now, Deadpoolica said:

Seems like you really want this book & the seller knows that so, haggling really won't go great in this instance imo

You can try to haggle but, for me I would just make him whatever your best offer is right out the gate(or maybe a $100 or so less)....if he accepts great, if not another one will pop up eventually  

This is not on ebay so right away the seller pays no 10% fees to ebay. I know this and he knows this.

1 minute ago, Chaos_in_Canada said:

Check out ALL the OLD CGC Labels from 2008 Toronto Comic-Con 

Cool. Would be nice to pay 2008 prices haha. 

1 minute ago, HighAF said:

If this book is truly as htf as you're implying you might have to do this anyway. Are there enough sales of the book in grade to determine FMV?

Yup got all the data

This is a nice looking copy. Top is misaligned but this is frequent for this book I noticed.

I think it has a shot at 9.0 if pressed and cleaned.

Thoughts ?

Thanks !

5 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said:

Yeah the “make me an offer I can’t refuse” is either someone joking or being a bit of a d bag. Either way they don’t sound like serious sellers and the negotiating seems likely to fail. I’d still ask a tad under fair market value to start. If he declines then up it to fair market. After that it’s in his court whether he excepts or starts the gouge game.

Yeah sounds like I'm going that route. Thanks

7 minutes ago, William-James88 said:

Its too bad you really want that book because I would tell that seller to go f off. He doesnt sound like he wants to sell it, and he is making sure negotiations wont go your way. 

But look if you really want the book then give him the highest offer you'd be willing to go if that book was being auctioned off right now and someone else out there was willing to go all the way. At what price would you go "that's it, too much for me". Figure that price out for yourself and offer him 1$ less than that price. If he says no, then thats ok, you could never give him more.

Yeah, seems like he doesnt want to sell the book unless he gets more, you are right ! I will make a good offer and see what happens. Btw your profile pic looks like the lead singer of a-ha in the Take on me music video  

1 minute ago, theCapraAegagrus said:

He might ask for more regardless of your offer. If you offer $2k, he might ask for $2,200. Sometimes people play those games.

Yeah that's what I'm thinking, I×m sure if I offered like 20% more than FMV he would say yes

3 minutes ago, theCapraAegagrus said:

My success stories always ended when I gave them my "absolute best" offer. I wasn't going to overpay, or extend my budget.

I personally don't like to haggle. He might be looking for more than you offer no matter what. There's no single best method unless you already know who you're dealing with.

Lets say the FMV is 1700$. I could offer 1500$ but he will probably refuse. If I offer 1700 he will probably refuse. He probably wants 2000. That is my guess.

This key issue has white pages which is very rare. So overpaying a little is not dramatic.

So I follow a facebook group for high end comics.

I posted a message saying I was looking for a specific silver age comic book in a CGC slab.

A few days later a member of that group answered back privately saying he had the book in question for sale.

I asked for a pic of the book and got it, but the seller didn't want to give me a price.

He said : Make me an offer I can't refuse.

As an inexperienced buyer, I am looking for advice on how to handle this.

Could anyone give me some tips on negotiating a price. What would you do ?

BTW The book is hard to find so I want to pursue this opportunity.

Thanks

1 minute ago, HighAF said:

He must be crazy.

Yes

Just now, HighAF said:

Would 200 books be considered "high volume"? I'd think you'd need to submit a large collection in the 1000s. If you submit that many you can probably get your name on the label.

Was that the Magic Wu collection? Is that what it was called? A magician from Vancouver?

No some guy from California

I wanted to sumit a fe copies of Alpha Flight #1 to CGC and did some research.

Turns out these black production streaks (probably ink) don't matter and it's possible to get a 9.8.

Take a look at these pics of my comics and a graded 9.8.

However that bluesih stain got me concerned. Production defect ? 

Thoughts ?

Just now, HighAF said:

Are you saying Borock is calling up people to try to convince them to submit books? 

Yes, at least that was the case in march/april. Not him personnally

2 hours ago, William-James88 said:

No discount. You only get discounts by subscribing to different levels.

I know a guy who submitted 1000 books to another grading company and got a huge discount (I think it was about half price).

In these hard times, that grading company contacts customers because they need books.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Hi guys,

So I have a least 200 books I could submit (maybe more) for grading to CGC.

Have any of you ever gotten a discount when send many books ?

I assume dealers get discounts but how about collectors?

Please share your experience in this thread. Thanks

3 minutes ago, joeypost said:

For something like this crunch to be fixed completely, I doubt anything with "quick" in the name would work. 

You are somewhat fortunate it was not a dark color on the cover. You would need someone with expertise to completely remove all of that.

A super comic book presser ? 

Got this in the mail and it was damaged

It got crunched because it slid out of a loose mylar, you know the one that is open at the top !

In your opinion can this be pressed and restored to it's orginal state ? 

Do I use CGC's quick press service or regular press ?

Thanks

Thanks will look it up

8 hours ago, KCOComics said:

I don't believe CGC graded more strictly in the old days personally. 

That said,  you should be able to get the graders notes from CGC.  As was mentioned earlier if you see notes that say "non color breaking creases", then a press will help.  Some dirt maybe come off with a dry clean. 

If it's mostly color breaking or other types of damage,  I wouldn't think you would get a grade bump from a press. 

 

Great book by the way. Completing SS 1 - 18 was one of my first collecting goals years and years ago! Congrats. 

Thanks, I have issue #1 un graded probably a 7.0. Also looking for a nice copy of issue #3, hard to find or some reason

11 hours ago, Tony S said:

I do not find it to be true that CGC graded books consistently more strict in their early days (old label) Except for page quality.  Based on experience, I believe the first few years open CGC was  more strict on page quality.  The appeal of old label books is that it's very unlikely they were cleaned and pressed, since that wasn't really an established thing yet. Cleaning and pressing were generally part of an overall restoration of comics. Done by the few restoration experts around. 

I also do not find graders notes all that helpful. Ultimately what is helpful is an in-hand examination by someone that can look for both the the defects pressing can improve and defects that can't be improved. And they have some experience and skill with likely CGC grade if resubmitted.  I only bother with grading notes when a CGC graded books looks much nicer than the assigned grade.  Then they might be useful in identifying any defects that are difficult to impossible to see because of the encapsulation. 

You cannot do a proper evaluation of CPR (crack, press, resubmit)  from a few pictures. That said, Looking at the pictures, the book looks to be worth pressing and resubmitting. I do not believe you'll see a huge bump. The defect that can't be fixed with pressing and will hold the book back grade wise  is the small tear on the middle of the right outer edge of the front cover. Probably done by someone using a thumb or finger to open the the cover. Two little tiny tears and a stress line between the tears.  

So you need to get this book in for evaluation of CPR. There are a number of qualified pressing services.  Perhaps simplest for someone new to the game is just send it in to CCS - the in house pressing service of CGC.  Pay for the book to be screened and CCS will decide if the book is good candidate (no guarantees, just an expert opinion) for removing from the holder, pressing and regrading. Once CCS has done their part then they send the book over to CGC for grading and encapsulation. 

The real deal here is cost vs benefit. This is not a guaranteed thing. So you are rolling the dice. By the time you pay for shipping to CCS, screening, pressing grading and return shipping back to you the bill will probably be over $100. IF the book goes up to 8.5 you've made a few bucks but that's it. . If it stays the same you are out the money.  Which is why you want to pay for the screening if you use CCS

 

Great advice. Thanks  Tony S  !!! 

1 hour ago, jokiing said:

Can you obtain the grader's notes? That may help with making a decision. 

How do I do that ? Thanks