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Wait a sec, aren't you one of the folks who bought a suspect book? If anyone here deserves some friggin' answers, it's this guy.

If federal law enforcement was involved, they would not tell CGC to tell possible victims to contact CGC. At best, they'd recommend contacting CGC, or the authorities. They would not have people send in possible evidence to CGC for them to crack open and examine themselves. They would not want other parties possibly involved, even at arms length, to delete records, photos, change certification numbers, etc.

Or were at least photographed on a very similar backdrop.

Funny! I just stay away from the ones with the beige woven cloth background and the ones where two sheets of white paper are taped together oh! And the ones with straight up cardboard behind the slabs

was just looking at that company’s facebook store page and it’s amazing photos and saw this one.. sure looks like a familiar background. gosh,such a nice book. I hope they aren’t a victim of the sinister swapperino too!

No, if you go back to page 186/187 you will find a swaperoo of an 8.0 ASM 129 with an 9.0, universal standard label

Make that TWO 9.6 IH 181's Here's another. $14753 Apr 29, 2019

Yo @comicwiz I know you're looking closely at a lot of the hulks, this one's not on the list, but it was sold in 2019 by everyone's favorite slabberino. Set off any alarms? Sold June 3 2019 for 12100

Yes sir... This is way too big for them to contain in house with private eyes and outside counsel. I've been harping on this for a week now... They need to call the feds, or victims need to.

Here's the close up.

Did you say your 8.0 FF2 seemed like a gift grade? Maybe it was actually this one.

Oh boy... Not on the CGC list either. EVERY SINGLE BOOK this guy has bought/sold/submitted must be suspect.

For example, ""The Book pictured is the book you get..Any" As typed, with the capital B and the double period, results in a bunch more slabs, big un's too. https://www.worthpoint.com/inventory/search?query="The+Book+pictured+is+the+book+you+get..Any"&categories= A 9.6 IH181 in there... Hmmm not on the CGC list either.

Yes! Oh SNAP! God almighty, I've been looking at hundreds of the seller's pics, and never saw that 4th one. I would assume all the socials related are down now? There's an easily identifiable style of composition and a number of different phrases that are uniquely used by the seller over the past 20 years. Like little fingerprints. The "$$$ and Hard work" was one of the first phrases I've used to track ebay slab book sales back to 2006. Which may be when worthpoint's database records start. I never wrote down what those phrases are, but I should be able to show the breadcrumbs if I follow my tracks. I can make a list, if it helps.

Nonsense.

People go to jail for the fraud. They can access eBay Facebook, IG info to find conspirators. Funds and assets get seized to pay restitution. Accounts get frozen. CGC itself gets scrutinized and they can help identify patterns to reveal other scammers. It can also help to ensure there is no one helping them on the inside. Perps get a taste of prison, which is a great incentive not to try scamming again. lots of good reasons

Nothing changes if their problems are, once again, handled in-house like they were with previous scandals and no fraud investigation by the feds takes place.

The tear... the "marvel tear" Not present in Kelly version

Like others have stated, this list is a drop in the bucket of the books this guy touched. He's got eBay usernames I and others tracked back to 2000, and sales of slabs we've been able to track back to 2006 with available sales record databases. Every book this guy touched should be on a list. To me, as long as this remains an inside investigation, any list like this is just theater. It's not nearly as exhaustive as it should be and needs to be, even if 90% of the submissions end up being legit. It's amazing how much work CGC has left for others to do on this when they could have laid it all out for us. Give us direct links to every verification page, remove the search limitations on the certification database for all of the suspect books, show us ALL this persons submissions, link directly to images you have. For that matter, hire some outside analytics professionals to analyze submission data and search for patterns to determine if there are other submitters pulling the same tricks and let us all know! Instead, we get a static, partial list of ONE guy's submissions getting picked over and torn through by unpaid legions of armchair sleuths and it's only opened up more questions than it answers. How's the hope and changey thing working out for everybody? Sure, there's definitely a way... It's called handing over the investigation to a federal authority with the capability of demanding that exact sort of information from eBay or any other venue the guy frequented that even CGC doesn't know about. This guy could have been liquidating books on the daily via facebook waffles for 90% of FMV for all we know, and we will NEVER know if CGC's private richards are the only ones on the case as they would have ZERO ability to find out such details. Unless they publicly state otherwise, CGC has not asked for any federal investigative input. For that matter, they're mum as to whether they've even called the local cops! It's my guess they are doing their own investigation so they can sue, get injunctive relief, a permanent RO and finally tie a nice bow on the whole case with an iron-clad NDA on top. I'd be willing to bet every CGC slab I own that the results of this debacle are going to track closely with how the Richard Albright case wound down last summer between Albright and NGC, CGC's sister company under the CCG umbrella. “We are not afraid to hire private investigators and outside law firms in order to bring justice to those who wish to steal from members of the numismatic community.” Sound familiar? https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/11938/ Not a fraud case mind you, not even a criminal case, just a trademark infringement suit against albright for using NGC cases to deceive buyers. So what happened with Richard? No criminal charges. Zip. Could there be in this comic case? Possibly, but because of things like statute of limitations, evidence that's been "fixed" by CGC, or complete lack of a chain of custody for any of it all, more than likely not. Just like other scandals that have rocked this community, the question marks... god almighty, so many questions... here on the boards are never going away unless this is thoroughly, and independently investigated by federal authorities with jurisdiction over these crimes. CGC simply admitting they are working with the Feds would go a long way to help here. They haven't, and I suspect they won't.

A 9.8? Surejan.gif

It's the only one that's got the custom spidey label, but, like you said, doesn't make a lot of sense if that book was sent in raw and graded same as the rest of 'em.

No

Of the ones I looked at back then, I did note the different "graded on" dates.

About 100 pages ago, I went through around 100 of the submissions. The dude had a submission into CGC practically every 2 weeks from the summer of 22 to now. Usually 5 books each, all of them huge. the odd 6 book or 4 book outlier. I think they're only putting up the ones that were reholders and/or custom label jobs.