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Rules: NO Probation List or Hall of Shame members, or other unsavory sorts! "I'll take it" in a thread will trump any negotiations in PM, emails, etc. Payment: PayPal, check or money order, please. Will ship after payment clears. Shipping: free via USPS to continental USA. Return Policy: No returns on CGC graded books. These books do not appear to have been pressed. Nice John Romita, Sr. and Frank Miller run books. Amazing Spider-Man #117 (Marvel, 1973). CGC 9.2 OW/W (old slab 2003) #0051815015 Amazing Spider-Man #118 (Marvel, 1973). CGC 9.2 OW/W (old slab 2003) #0051815016 Amazing Spider-Man #219 (Marvel, 1981). CGC 9.6 W (old-ish slab 2015) #0960953007 $325 $300 shipped for the lot.

I guess I'm just disagreeing that Marvel's foreign price variants should be classified as Foreign Editions, which typically refer to versions printed in another country, in a foreign language, years later, and with many differences to the cover and/or interior. Due to their unique place in Marvel's history, the foreign price variants (UK, CAN, AUST) are fraternal twins of their cents counterparts. Why not include them in the regular registry? The fairness point seems to be overblown? Those who are lucky enough to hunt down the Marvel price variants (they are exceedingly uncommon) will earn additional registry points, sure. But those who don't hunt down the pence variants and instead use their funds to obtain higher graded cents books will earn additional registry points that way, so it evens out. In other words, there is no good reason to keep excluding these misunderstood price variants from the main Marvel registry sets (by pegging them Foreign Editions or otherwise). It would be a heck of an accomplishment for someone to complete an early Spidey run 1-100 run that includes both cents/pence for all to see on the same registry! That would be just WOW! Even accomplishing that in low grade would be unprecedented (as far as I know) and a herculean task. One day, should I have a PC with enough depth to try the registry, I hope cents and price variants can be listed as part of the same regular (i.e., non-custom) registry for the Silver Age, Bronze Age and Copper Age Marvel issues that have those variants. That's all I'm saying. A man can dream, right?

Hi. Not looking for a rumble here on this fine Saturday morning, but the Marvel price variants of the Silver, Bronze and Copper Ages are NOT foreign editions for purposes of your "i.e.," phrase above. When the cents version of Incredible Hulk #1 was printed in 1962, it was along with the pence version as part of the same run, the same day, on the same printer, while attaching covers to the same awaiting pile of interiors. That is how these Marvel books entered the world: as fraternal twins, cents/pence in the case of the UK price variants, for example. Your point about versions NOT created at the exact same time and place, like the "reprints, books from other runs, cover homages, foreign editions" is sensible, but the UK, Canadian, and Australian price variants, like the experimental price variants (e.g., 35c v. 30c) are NOT those types of later-issued versions.

I recall this being mentioned long ago but not whether it was bounced around enough or addressed by CGC (thread got so long). If CGC has scans beyond what it has made available for free for books slabbed as of July 2023, it should make them ALL available now, ideally going back to 2000 when CGC opened its doors. Prior to summer 2023, the hi-res scans were a paid service to be selected at time of submission (like $5?). But if CGC has been scanning the slabs by default for years regardless of the submitter paying extra to receive the hi-res scan, then now is the time to make them available at the cert verification page. I understand it would be a bummer for those who paid up for the scans prior to summer 2023, but I think everyone, including those submitters, acknowledge that we have extenuating circumstances. Also, it needs to be CGC making its hi-res scans available now. Sure, we have seen good scans for books slabbed pre-summer 2023 that were made by submitters after receiving their books or by a subsequent owner or even by vendors (like Heritage) that have been useful in sorting out the reholder mess. But the scans were taken after, sometimes long after, the slabbing. So it would be ideal to have access to the CGC scans to remove any doubt about the book in slab from day one. The huge advantage is that would enable anyone in the community to do their own sleuthing by checking the cert verification page. Up until now, the community has needed to rely on the commendable efforts of boardies who had the commitment, skill, time and/or resources to do the impressive but time-consuming investigations for this thread. I'm grateful for them, but CGC should empower each one of us with the ability to perform our own due diligence via a simple visit to the cert verification page (instead of having to scour the internet for any available, adequate images), especially as we wait for the fruits of whatever else CGC suggested it has or will do to address the scam. In fact, no matter what changes CGC makes to its slabbing or review process, providing free access to ALL of CGC's hi-res scans at the cert verification page (not just those since July 2023) is a no-brainer. It would be the most reliable way for the community to check all of their books, including older slabs and whether or not implicated in a known scam. Looking at a big book? Go to CGC and confirm for yourself that the books match. Why the heck not? So access to scans should be implemented by CGC as soon as practicable, like yesterday. @CGC Mike Could we know whether CGC has scans of all its slabs, or at least all of its slabs going back to some year, or maybe just slabs of books meeting a value threshold? The point being, however many additional scans CGC has, ideally they would be made available at the cert verification page. My apologies if you already answered this question somewhere in this fiendishly-long thread. Anyway, it's never too late to do the right thing.

This came out when he was just a kid.

If you could provide close-up scans of the front, back and some interior, you might as well post in the "Hey buddy, can you spare a grade?" thread, especially since I suspect any hit for rust could depend on the grade the book would otherwise get. https://boards.cgccomics.com/forum/42-hey-buddy-can-you-spare-a-grade/ Take a look at some posts there for the kinds of pix that are helpful.

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FWIW, I can tell you from experience that, at least for several years (beyond that, it was before my experience), GPAnalysis has been promptly removing sales data (after being tipped off of the need) whenever they could confirm the sale had not gone through. Be it eBay, Heritage, etc. You know all those times in all those threads over the past few years when folks have noted a sale (usually involving expensive keys) that apparently fell through, boardies often flagged those situations for GPA either directly in the thread or by contacting it outside of the boards, and GPA acted. As its response in this thread is consistent with this longstanding practice, I don't see how GPA could be seen as compromised. Anyway, I appreciate GPA even more in light of the actual and potential shenanigans addressed in this thread.

If the books were graded at different value tiers and/or involved books varying greatly in grade and from different Ages (GA vs SA vs BA), it would be a head scratcher to receive 4 books back and they all lacked the grader's notes, at least to me. That is because in such a scenario, you would expect different graders to be involved, and they differ in the extent to which they provide notes, if at all. I'm guessing you submitted several books that were more similar than not and perhaps graded by the same person. my

CGC says: ReHolder A comic book in a CGC holder is encapsulated in a new CGC holder. The grade assigned to the book should not change, unless any damage occurred post-encapsulation, in which case the grade will be adjusted accordingly. To qualify, the book must still be encapsulated in its original CGC holder. https://www.cgccomics.com/submit/services-fees/cgc-grading/

This...was...not...supposed...to...happen.

347 pages! A seemingly unstoppable force of nature! We'll see about 350 before the holiday weekend hits. This immovable object oughta take care of it, paradox be damned!

Should we put this in perspective?. CGC stepping up and eventually listing the implicated cert#s is a good step forward. Hopefully the perpetrator was the only high-volume perp of this kind. But even if not, the shenanigans discussed in this thread generally concerned uber high-end BA, CA and modern books for which prior sales data reliably suggested a large discrepancy in the valuation between two versions of a book in same grade (here $14K difference for a 9.8 N/S vs 9.8N/S w/ MJ insert), and books with a huge disparity in valuation in the 9.2-9.6 range and 9.8 grade. These are more recent books with a relatively large number of uber grades on the census to make discovery of suspicious books impractical. That is important here--a large census of, say, 9.8s (to be replaced by a lower-grade MJ or newsstand version on a reholder) that made it easier for the fraudster to get away with something like this because of the sheer volume of data/scans for comparison required to weed out suspicious re-subs/reholders. That leaves huge swaths--the vast, vast majority actually--of BA, CA and modern books that would not have been implicated in these particular schemes, or at least not to this extent, which is good, right? And it should be additional consolation that most of the really expensive books in the hobby are/were more immune to these shenanigans. The relative scarcity of GA (including PCH), Victorian and Platinum Ages, early SA, and the Marvel price variants of the '60s, '70s, '80s (UK, Can, Aus and experimental price variants, e.g., 35c, etc) should have immunized them. For such books, presumably it would have taken too long to find a lower grade book with a comparable cover (appearance and grade-wise), with or without missing interior pages/wraps, for this to have happened to any significant degree for practical profit. Just finding a GA or Marvel price variant in a given grade could take months/years, so good luck with finding yet another book with a cover that appears to be the same grade, let alone with the right mix of defects matching the cert# used by a fraudulent seller for the switch. Big GA and SA books also seem to be scrutinized more than books from other Ages, with big sales often noted/discussed on these boards and elsewhere, with images to fawn over to boot. And many of the big-boy GA and early SA books and price variants were sold previously on Heritage or ComicConnect or ComicLink (as most pricey/significant comics seem to be, to this day), so potential buyers of these books will often have high-quality scans available on GPA or the sales venues themselves (and even in many threads on these boards) for double-checking the image associated with the cert#. While perps could have included small, non-dealer individuals, and their shenanigans could have extended to even mid-grade but still expensive books from any Age, presumably they would have been too infrequent to have been significant. With the limited resources of such low-volume sellers and/or CGC submitters, such activity would have been pricier and riskier for them compared to dealers who could hide behind their volume, especially before CGC became overwhelmed during the pandemic. So the impact on cert integrity by such misbehaving individuals could be minimal. Anyway, here's hoping to a new year with more to cheer than frown about.

BTW, if not already mentioned, the eBay seller of the 15.7K ASM 252 9.8 NS/MJ [i.e., Comic Selects aka Briva3] has no books offered for sale at this time. I thought someone had recently posted a snapshot showing some of the many books he was selling. Maybe preserve that snapshot? Just maybe.

Get well soon! You and yours are in my thoughts.

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