MCMiles

Considering how many SS subs CGC gets, that's just not realistic. Any why should convention subs be singled out here? It's silly to blame the TAT slowdowns on just convention subs - CGC has seen an increase of submissions across this board which is causing the slowdown. If anything, they should stop accepting mail-in books and only accept convention subs till the backlog has been cleared ... The only thing silly is to think they would do either and turn down income. I'm not knocking them for it. That is a hard thing to do. It would be better to cut out convention subs because of the logistics and additional costs involved with even setting up and having staff atva show. Which is also a draw on the man power they have at home.

They need to suspend fast track at a minimum until they are on time and in control again. It would probably be a good idea to suspend conventions subs also, at a very minimum not do anymore on site stuff. That seems to disrupt the whole operation. Of course, suspending either is asking them to turn away money. It would be difficult for any business to do that. Other businesses may see a decline in business if service was suffering as greatly as it is at CGC right now, but it doesn't appear to be slowing down at CGC. Until the consumers decrease the amount of business they are sending CGC, I don't see an improvement in sight.

If you makes you feel any better all my Wizard World St. Louis WD & all the other books I subbed at the show are all stuck in Quality Control. I can only imagine that it is luck of the draw. What subs get pulled out of the box and put through the system first. Unfortunately it getting really frustrating. I too have Modern Fast Track subs stuck in Grading/ Quality Control that were subbed at WW StL. Those subs were not invoice dated till 3/27 ( the Wednesday after WW StL). I can understand that. It takes time to get them back to Florida. However, I'm now at 15 days for a Modern Fast Track. One more day and I'm basically (as well as everyone else) closer to paying the extra money to get books graded "on time". Considering Fast Track is further and further behind, I really see no relief in sight for improvement on regular submissions, which have become so far out I almost forget they exist. It's come to a point where the only way to get anything in any efficient manner is to pay extra for Fast Track or Express, which it seems more an more people are doing. In a sense the consumers have basically instituted a price increase on ourselves. we are paying a significant amount more for service.

greggy type of a post. A few books from Megacon and WW StL.

Great copy. CC appearances in VF or better are tough.

Dan is super easy to deal with, and grades accurately. Thanks, Dan. Glad we could work together.

Awesome copy. I love that book.

This was once my copy. It's one of those that I will probably always regret selling. it's a great book. Congratulations. It looks good in the your sig line.

That's a heck of a find.

To be honest I am much more impressed with the grade of the WD #2 CGC 9.8. That back cover is uber tough to find a 9.8 back. (thumbs u My #2 is staying in my shoe box under the bed for many years.

This. But I am not sure. Try dice's production flaw thread. The man is a paper production Savant. Yep. Those are common production flaws and really pretty minor.

Indeed I have I have a new one too!

Putting some stuff out there looking for a possible trade. MMCs, Action, Nedors, More Funs

Got an Avengers #14 from Val today. Graded accurately and got here lightning fast.

Happy Thanksgiving, to everyone here. Well, happy Thursday to our international boardies.

How can he say pressing is controversial, I thought most people don't know about it and those that do don't care Yes, people do not consider pressing restoration. And if they are unaware of the process, once explained, they do not care. But these crazy irrational types who do not like it, they are just in the head. I PREFER a book that has not been pressed over a pressed book. But we can manufacture hg books for profit and should do so. Why leave cash on the table right? It worked well for the BA market, look how healthy those 9.4's are with all the "new" 9.8's. 100% agree, all is good in the comic book world. The biggest question in my mind is what "new" process are people doing to books to help push the grade even higher while maintaining the blue status. So far we know. 1. Pressing 2. Dry cleaning 3. Micro trimming (when done properly) 4. Disassembly and reassembly. 5. Staple replacement (when done properly with vintage staples) 6. Reattachment with tape And those are all legitimate acceptable methods...... Yes, people do not consider pressing restoration. And if they are unaware of the process, once explained, they do not care. But these crazy irrational types who think this way are just in the head....and would go onto do anything possible to get a book a better grade in a blue label holder. Forget the fact that each person has his/her own ability to reason and conclude on their own that pressing is a non-issue while trimming, tape, disassembly and others are, or even further each procedure have a varying degree of concern for that individual. I don't mind pressed books at all and don't even inquire as to whether or not the book has been pressed. So, I guess I'm just a dumbazz that is over paying. But I'm the same dumbazz that won't buy a GA book with tape...but that doesn't make sense, because I don't care about pressing, so surely tape shouldn't bother me at all...as long as it's in a blue label. It's the same old stretch of an argument from the last six years. "OMG, if CGC accepts pressing the next thing you know, trimming will be ok by CGC and all the other sheep will fall in line. (as long as they are all making more money). It's a good thing they invented the interwebs, this time of year it probably gets cold outside standing on the corner preaching to the sinners that the end is near.

I love the comics, the pressed ones just as much as the unpressed ones. I'll be thrilled when this impending dooms day arrives for the hobby and I'll be able to drive around on garbage day loading up collections into the truck.

I don't get this either. Can someone explain the physics of how pressing would cause properly placed (not offset) staples to be driven into the book? How will a press create a force from the side to push a staple through the spine into the book? I find the Litch groin bump more plausible. The theory goes that if a cover has some bounce to it (large radius curve at the spine) and is pressed down onto the interior the spine might actually move back relative to the interior pages. Personally, I've never seen it but I suppose it is possible. Never seen it either, and if the person doing the work is doing things correctly it should be virtually impossible. The mechanics of how the press closes actually works to prevent that from happening if the work is being done correctly.

Oh, I believe people (especially unqualified people) can do all kinds of things to damage a book with a press, including push the cover back to where it looks like the staple was recessed or sink off set staples into the book. I don't believe it happens as often as some would like everyone to believe, and I believe the examples used are examples of books manufactured with recessed staples. I definitely don't believe CGC has adjusted their grading to allow for defects that may have been caused by pressing.

You put your picture on your stickers!

I'm easy. Numbers or letters. I'll figure it out.

But no one's arguing that a 9.0 is the same as a 9.4 (the 9.4 would simply be a 9.5 in my scenario). Can you give me an absolutist example, instead, of the unarguable difference between a 9.0 and a 9.2, or a 9.4 and a 9.6? That's what I'm talking about. Yes, there is a difference between 9.2 and 9.4. Even easier to discern between 9.6 and 9.8. I'm not saying there aren't thousands of examples where the difference is nearly indiscernible. There are even examples where grades seem to be assigned assbackwards. However, one vey small defect at the high end does make one book better than the other. It's not logical to me to group them in the same numerical (or letter) grade. Just to add. I get where you are coming from, but I can't give a 9.6 a 9.5 when I just gave a 9.4 a 9.5. They are two different books. Even in with the grades currently used. The term Strict or soft are often used. I definitely can't see giving a strict 9.6 a 9.5 and a soft 9.4 a 9.5...and before you say it - The strict 9.6 isn't quite a 9.8 and doesn't deserve it. The soft 9.4 is just too nice to give a 9.2.

Well, I personally prefer a numerical system to the old days... if for no other reason than it takes up less room on my labels. I just think the hobby went a bit too far on the number of breakdown points, that's all. For me, it's just simple logic. If a system, any system, cannot be largely consistent with its own standards, than to me, those standards are not valid. I think many arguing with me simply make my point... as it's been stated that thousands of dollars can ride on a .2 difference. Exactly! And if that .2 difference cannot be applied with any consistency, due to the difficulties in detecting said differences, than a lot of money is in a constant state of risk due to such inconsistencies, which over time, is unhealthy for collectors or investors. Which is why there is such panic over pressing (which, more often than not, is about aiming for a .2 upgrade) and multiple resubmissions (same thing) and other anxieties often expressed here. I simply posit a less-stressful collecting environment... which seems to inspire stress-filled threads! I don't disagree with you about consistency. In fact I hate inconsistency at CGC, but I also know it's difficult for the very best to be consistent. In fact, getting this thread back on track a little, I'd prefer CGC spend the money invested in acquiring Classic Inc. hiring more graders, instead of over working the ones they have, and training them to be consistent. Throwing out a perfectly good grading system, which in my opinion and many others, does work and is needed because there are quantifiable differences in the higher end grades is not the answer. Maybe it would be more quiet around here, but doubtful. There would just be more posts comparing and complaining about completely different 9.5s. The answer is for people to buy the books and not the label, which IMO is becoming more and more of a trend. Most experienced collectors know grading is subjective and inconsistent no matter who it is. That brings me to this point, I don't think the money would change that much. A fugly 9.5 might sell for a tenth of what a sharp copy sells for. High end collectors would track books better with serial numbers, scans etc. That's already proven by the fact that people pay a premium for white pages. Something they can't even see and we all know is inconsistent at a CGC. Yep that proves people want what the label says, but it also proves they want the best, and it may take more research, more hi-res scans and back cover scans, but people are still going to pay more for the best. So which brings it back full circle.