L.E. Gill

Batsignal Logo Adjacent? The fun but weird thing about these 90s multipack reprints with the batsignal logo upc is that there are other comics where this logo was used for the direct edition and as such aren't really batsignal logo UPC variants, e.g. from 1990s multipacks, which makes it confusing. So YMMV on this issue, but I am considering this one sort of a Bat Signal logo despite it not being in a traditional multipack. This is the 1995 reprint of Batman #279 that was released exclusively through a variety of Monogram model kits in 1995. There was a jeep and a helicopter and some other kits with it included and it doesn't seem too hard to find one on eBay. It's a mini comic, about 8 x 5 inches. Indicia shows it is a reprint.

Thanks! I have both versions of MoS #42, one was a lucky find. I also have a stickered Green Lantern #55 and have seen it on the boards before but that one seems a bit iffy since the sticker doesn't seem consistent with other stickered DCUs. Would love to see that one found still in a sealed package. I did recently discover there are 2 different versions of the Green Lantern Collector's Set with GL #59 so maybe the later run had stickered versions if they ran out? One has a price printed on the upper right back and a sticker advertising a trading card on front-- and one has GL#61 while the other has GL #65. I am thinking maybe Detective #680 was a typo. Thanks for the info on Superman #104, I've only found stickered versions.

My notes say there are stickered versions of DCUs for Green Lantern #59, Flash #94 and Detective Comics #680. I feel like someone posted pics of some of these before in the boards but a lot of the earlier pages have broken images now. I am wondering if I have confused the Detective #680 for Detective #690? Can anyone confirm or deny the existence of these stickered versions? Also, is there a non-stickered version of Superman #104? Appreciate any insight boardies can offer.

Turns out that Superman #75 style logo was used for a handful of direct editions in early 1993. The ones I could quickly confirm were Showcase '93 #1-2, Team Titans #5, New Titans #94-95, and Deathstroke the Terminator #20. There may be some others, but so far as I can tell nothing past March, and all direct editions.

Yes, that looks like a direct edition. A lot of the 20 packs prior to 1994 had pictures or symbols in the UPC box but it was just the direct edition. Did that one come out of the Jan 93 20 pack that had Superman 75 4th print on the front? If so, I should have a copy from the pack I opened and can check indicia for you later. ETA: Checked indicia; there is nothing. It's a normal direct edition.

Recently on eBay someone sold a DC Collector's 2-Pack with the DCU logo version of Where in the World is Carmen San Diego #1 (link). But of possible interest to this thread was the comic on the reverse, a multi-pack non-DCU logo variant of Where in the World is Carmen San Diego #2. Not one I had known about before, so I did some checking and confirmed that there are also direct and newsstand versions of the title. Here are some photos (not mine): Logo Variant (Link to Source Auction/Image on eBay) Direct Sales Edition (Link to Source Auction/Image on Ebay) Newsstand (Link to Source Auction/Image on Ebay)

Yes, probably so. You could also possibly make a case for the Death of Superman TPB as a multipack logo variant along the lines of the DC Bullet Batman Adventures TPB-- there are three versions, the direct edition, the newsstand, and the one with the dripping superman insignia which came in the Limited Collector's Set from 1992. I don't have any copies to check indicia but I've definitely seen all three.

Yes, that one came in one of the Superman Collector Sets circa 1995. The outer package was Superman Battles His Fiercest Foes (keep in mind there were several sets with this front title, all with different content) with Superman: Man of Tomorrow #1 showing in the cutout. The rest of the set is all DCU logos such as the Wedding Album, Steel #1, and 2 Superboy titles. I can share a photo later when I am at my computer if you'd like.

This week's mail call! Only one DCU (Adventures 498 3rd Print in the collector's set on top), but.... Batman Adventures #12 comes in the September 1993 20 pack, with Superman: MOS #25 and Superman #81 on the front:

I am simultaneously tremendously excited and full of dread every time someone finds a new variant! I am down to about 60 of the DCUs and a chunk of these other multipack variants. The ones on the back cover are the worst! If it helps, almost every single known bullet logo can be found in the December 1993 20 pack (along with, so far as I can tell, the very first physically issued DCU logos even if there were reprints of earlier cover dates released later). A handful of remaining bullet logos can be found in the November 1993 pack, and of course some of them come in various 2 packs.

Thanks for this list! I can confirm there is a Batman Adventures #18 with Bat Signal Logo. I know that one is on the main DCU list but it's been a subject of debate on this thread before. There is some conflicting anecdotal evidence; in particular there is listing for a DCU version posted at Comic Book Realm with covert art posted by user T.I.A. but I would love it if any boardie who has a DCU logo version of #18 in hand to confirm. I have a copy in hand of the Bat Signal Logo version, which I purchased off ebay recently (photo is from the listing, I haven't had a chance to check indicia yet):

Batman: Mask of the Phantasm with the bat logo was in the January 1994 20-pack. It was in the front of the pack with Batman Adventures 16.

"1993" Batman Back to School Sets There are (at least) two different versions of the Batman Back to School Sets that contain Batman Adventures. The first contained Batman Adventures #10-11 along with notepad, pencil, and poster but neither comic has the bat signal logo. I was almost positive there was another version, and up until recently couldn't find one. Then I saw two different listings pop up on Ebay in the last two month and was able to confirm-- you can just faintly see Bag Signal logo peeking through the outer plastic bag on some of the sets. The only real distinguishing feature on the outside of the bag is the bar code on the bag. This second set contained Batman Adventures #21 and #22, both with Bat Signal logos, along with the usual pencil, pad, and poster. Given the publication dates of the issues in question it seems pretty apparent the first set came out in August/September of 1993 while the second set would have come out in 1994 (despite the outer bag copyright being 1993). Of possible interest, the indicia for Batman Adventures #10 lists 'Second Printing' despite the cover not having a Roman numeral II as was typical for the time period. The rest of the issues have no notations in the indicia. The 1996 back to school set has a different plastic bag and contains the DCU UPC of Batman & Robin Adventures #8 and the Bat Silhouette UPC of Batman & Robin Adventures #9 (with cover dates of July & August '96 consistent with these Back to School Sets). I am wondering if anyone is aware of a 1995 Batman Back to School set that would theoretically be the source for DCU logo versions of Batman Adventures #35 & #36? For the record, if you are looking for the Bat Signal version of the set. you want the bar code that contains only numbers: 70989 30371. The non-Bat Signal version has 37ANC1043 printed at the top of the bar code.

My first thought was the Kellogg's mail away action pack, but it was Batman & Robin Adventures #18, and photos show it to be a direct edition. I believe a boardie previously confirmed their Batman & Robin Adventures #1 DCU came from subscribing to the series, so perhaps this lends further weight to that theory. Or else there's a 'Best of '97 Set' or another 'Back to School' set somewhere out there.... What an exciting find!

Wait, that Batman & Robin Adventures #17 has a cover date of April 1997, right? Does that put it at the latest published DCU and the only known DCU from 1997? I thought Superman #118 from December 1996 was the last before now.

Thank you for the info! That makes a lot more sense to me. 1975+ is such a huge range to eliminate pre-screens on.

Oh really? That's much better news if so. Thanks for the info!

That part's particularly disappointing even beyond increased fees for screening. For some of those high grade but low value comics I was on the fence about in my personal collection that I would eventually like to get slabbed, the pre-screen option was definitely a contributing factor.

Thank you. That's great to hear! I appreciate the info. L.E.

I feel like I read someone's post here on the boards that they did, but I've searched through all the posts referencing reholdering I could and couldn't find the one I was looking for. So I am hoping someone who has reholdered recently can give me some input. Thanks!

Hello all, Can my fellow boardies weigh in on any hidden costs associated with reholdering that I might not be aware of (the only reholders I have sent in were mechanical error/ free to me to correct)? Specifically, I am trying to get a solid figure to help me when confronted by the opportunity of purchasing a previously slabbed comic in the 'grade' I want ( a 'sure thing' in so much as I can clearly see the corners and condition of the actual book as opposed to buying the label) versus submitting my raw copy that may or may not be quite where I'd like it without pressing. Let's just assume I'm looking at filling a few holes in a series where every other one I have slabbed is in the current holder and I need them to match. Or you bought a book off ComicLink and the sticker is never ever ever coming off and for whatever reason you want a new current slab. Assume I have a premium membership and am dealing exclusively with post 1975 comics/ modern tier, it costs me $18 per comic for grading with discount. It costs $15 per reholder plus the scary new reholder disclaimer. I assume shipping back will be the same either way, cheapest in groups of 25. Though I doubt I could pony up that many reholders at once I've got a few I'd like to do.... I assume if I wait too long CGC will change the slab again and then I will lose my mind on those short sets not matching. Shipping will increase for shipping to CGC from weight of slabs for reholder over raw. Plus any shipping paid to get slab to you and extra transit time. The reholder is much faster than a new submission and one assumes little risk of a downgrade assuming the comic looks great and no obvious damage to slab. What other fees am I missing? Does CGC charge a fee to crack each comic out of slab or is that included? Invoice fees? Does it work out effectively the same on crossover regrading? Thanks, I appreciate any perspective you can offer. It will help me have a base figure regarding how much I can afford to bid on a previously slabbed comic versus when it climbs out of good deal territory. Best regards, L.E.

I recently sent back a slab for reholdering due to a mechanical error (label mislabeled what comic it was) and was sent a emailed prepaid shipping label. Everything was free including return shipping. I understand from other people on the boards CGC regularly corrects those kind of quality control issues including pieces of loose plastic (not from breakage) inside the case and I am not sure you would need a membership to do so. I think you could submit it yourself and not through your LCS. I would email CGC with clear photos and ask their assistance and see what they say. I originally asked about mine in the ask CGC forum and had a response along with instructions to email. Good luck; it's worth a try!

Welcome! Relative Newbie myself but hopefully I can share some helpful info. The grading credit is applied to your submission invoices until it's used up. Let's say you submit $400 worth of submissions; you would get $150 off the first submission. If you submitted a single signature series comic at say, $70, you'd use $70 of that $150 and still have more left to apply to the next submission. I think the credit does not apply towards and pressing services or shipping fees. The modern versus value type tiers- you have choices on how to submit your comics. The choices available impact how long it takes to grade and get them back versus how much it costs to grade. At the membership tier you mentioned, it'll cost $18 for grading each modern comic with no extras such as custom labels or fast track. It'll cost less if you go with the highest membership level. Definitely consider how many submissions you intend to make over the course of a year to see which one makes the most sense for your needs. The value of the comic- this is how much you are choosing to have your submission insured for while it is in CGC's care, basically. A couple of consuderations: you can put in a copy of a very common low value comic for $10 or you could put it as $175 (modern submissions value up to $200). If something happened to your comic while with CGC that's what you'd be reimbursed. The thing to remember is the higher you put that value, the higher your return shipping costs will be due to the insurance CGC will have for it. For me, I try to think about what it would cost me to replace that particular comic and use that as a ball park- a harder to come by variant I might put at $50, but maybe only $15 for a comic that would be relatively easy to replace. The exception to this is that CGC will adjust your invoice for comics that are grossly undervalued (like you tried to submit an Ultimate Fallout #4 in the modern under $200 tier whrn it regularly goes for much more than that. For the most part, yes it's that simple. Some things to think about are that you have to submit at least 25 if you want prescreen services (you want them to only slab the ones that will grade at a point you determine or higher, such as 9.4 or higher and send any that didn't make the cut back to you raw. They charge you some per reject but not as much as the cost of the slab. Sending 25 per tier (not a mix of tiers or services because they will all ship separately) will also save you the most on shipping as that is the maximum amount of slabs they will send in a box. For my first submission I only sent 15 because it felt more manageable but I think I'll stick with batches of 25 sent less frequently from now on. Hope it helps!

Congratulations to all the winners! I will enjoy browsing these!

Those are BCW plastic cases- they have short boxes for both graded and ungraded comics as well as long boxes for ungraded comics. I really like them for eliminating the cardboard. I can get about 25 new CGC cases in a graded box, more of the older style. Amount of raw comics will depend on your backing board thickness. They stack well, are easy to move, and I like that you can slide a trading card size label in on the sides. There's a slight learning curve on putting them together but be patient and you'll have no issues. You can get them at various online retailers. I've bought them from Amazon.