Poekaymon

Just now, Erik Thorvaldsson said:

You're right. There is absolutely no problem having the discussion. 

I gotta say that is definitely not the vibe I am getting here.  But thanks.

1 minute ago, THE_BEYONDER said:

Or, if you simply can't leave it alone....why not just post your offer instead?   Show your commitment to a potential sale.

I do simply leave it alone, as I have said two times (now three) in this thread alone.  I asked if this was the best policy.  The majority are saying yes.  Fair enough.

5 minutes ago, THE_BEYONDER said:

 

 

This seems like a rant to you?  Even objectively speaking, I am pretty sure that doesn't qualify as an internet rant.

In any case, I didn't open with that.  I posted it into a discussion regarding price/forum etiquette that was already going, and then I immediately deleted it.  

5 minutes ago, bb8 said:

Yeah I like the current rule. Just move on if you don't like the price. Some Facebook groups allow price threadcrapping, and it comes off as douchey and icky. What do you think of haggling within the thread? This is a common occurrence on Facebook sales, but seems to be generally discouraged here though not expressly prohibited. In fact, I see a thread the other day where a deal was made in the thread instead of by pm. I don't think I mind either way; just a tangential subject to this thread.

I'm not in favor of haggling within a thread, no.  I'm in favor of something like this:

1. Guy posts: X 9.8 for $500.

2. Someone posts: GPA on that is $300 and there are several BINs up on that exact book as we speak for $250-300.  Am I missing something?

4 minutes ago, THE_BEYONDER said:

I think it needs to be taken on a case by case basis.   I originally directed you to the discussion thread because your rant went beyond the pale in that sales thread.  GPA had already been pointed out, and the price questioned.   There's a line.  I think your post crossed it.

I disagree that it was a rant--it was 3 lines in defense of someone who asked a question in a thread and was told to keep his comments out of the thread.  If you're saying you're fine with what *he* did (the person who questioned the price) then we actually have no disagreement about the applicability of the rules to sales threads.

1 minute ago, THE_BEYONDER said:

What I’m trying to understand, is what you’d like to see happen in actuality.  What rule would you like to put in place to address the issue?

This was more academic than solving a real problem, as someone else pointed out.  But I guess the "solution" I like best was posited by William-James on page 1: let people do what they want, both in pricing or in discussing the price.

5 minutes ago, THE_BEYONDER said:

Why not just buy this common drek on EBay?  Sounds like you’re looking for a place that guarantees a 10% discount off EBay prices.

Not at all and at this point I wonder if you aren't intentionally misunderstanding me.  The 10% thing was just my own general rule of thumb based on ebay fees.  I'm in no way saying that people have to do that.  In fact, post stuff that is 10% higher than ebay if you want.  I'm not calling anyone out for that.  At least that's in the ballpark.  

Just now, Bird said:

only in that you are asking to make a rule about it. It just isn't enforceable. GoCollect? Ebay sold? ebay listed? gpa? last night's HA or Clink or CC? 30 days? 90 days? 7 day avg? so many sliding scales. better to move on!

I myself decided yesterday to remove a few folks from my ignore list. I put them there due to political beliefs garnered via posts or what I saw as lunacy posts but realized that goes against what I believe. Extremes, whether pricing or posting, might be best handled person to person with clarity and civility. A good goal at least.

 

On the contrary, I wasn't asking to make any rule at all.  I was simply questioning why some rules were in place.

#1.  Why the rule is that you can ask a ridiculous price but not list no price.  The answer seems to be ease of enforcement.  Okay, then the lesson is never put no price just put a ridiculous one.  That's easy enough, so fair enough.

#2.  Why can't you discuss price in someone's thread.  Lots of answers on this, but generally it has to do with not messing up someone's thread.  The fundamental disagreement I still have with most of you is that, in my humble, minority opinion, some people, (talking rare, egregious cases here, not like the guy who said he likes to haggle down) might actually deserve to have their threads messed with.   

Just now, 500Club said:

You are, as far as pricing.

Let me throw this out there:  what’s the best way to tactfully address woefully inaccurate grading?

Grading is a whole can of worms I wasn't even attempting to address.  I'm just talking about common, pregraded, CGC books.  

1 minute ago, ThothAmon said:

Of a comic book?  Holy hyperbole Batman. Not possible.

That's true.  Ridiculous pricing is all I meant.  

4 minutes ago, Bird said:

no price is easy to police, black and white. No price, not allowed. Price debates, especially involving people not actively buying or selling that exact book, are subjective and rightly not part of enforcement.

This seems a solution in search of a problem.

Sometimes it's worthwhile to question things, though I get the sense I'm in the minority here.  

2 minutes ago, THE_BEYONDER said:

No price is BS.  It would be an absolute nightmare if sellers were permitted to simply post books and solicit offers.

But Beyonder.  Work with me here.  How is that any different from posting an outrageous price, which you seem to be totally on board with.  I mean I can start doing it just to prove a point.  Either way you're just posting books and soliciting offers as it's never going for the posted price in my hypothetical.

8 minutes ago, Black_Adam said:

I like to list my comics at 20% above what I am looking for (at least GPA) so boardies can haggle the price down and feel like they got a bargain. 

Fair enough.  *makes note of name*

3 minutes ago, thehumantorch said:

 

You can't tell people how to price their books

Can you explain to me why it is against forum rules to post something with no price then?  I'm just trying to understand why you're fine with something that is priced way out of line but not with something that has no price at all.  Either one is mostly spam and will require further discussion to sell.

3 minutes ago, Bird said:

the posts are NOT worhtless. Maybe to you. But knowing who might own a book I want and seeing what they are asking is valuable info. And both posts could start a discussion leading to a sale, which is the final objective for both buyer and seller.

So if there are 10 copies of something with $100 BINs on Ebay and I come here and post one for $1,000, that is valuable info?  I don't see it.  The discussion leading to a sale is possible, I guess, though unlikely if you are starting at 10x.  But then the same would be true of a post that had no price listed whatsoever.  That's all I'm saying.

5 minutes ago, thehumantorch said:

10% less than the going ebay rate?  Sounds nice but good luck figuring out a reasonable price and enforcing it.  That would just lead to endless arguments.

This place isn't perfect but I'd suggest to you that ebay has a higher percentage of overpriced BINS, over-grading, and dishonest behavior.  

I'm speaking generally.  So let's just say there are 10 copies of something up right now with a BIN of $300.  If someone comes here to post, my personal opinion is that they should put it at 10% or so less.  But I'd be fine with even $300 or even $310 if they want.  But if they come here and post it at, say, $400, then that's just spam, and as worthless as if they had posted no price at all or didn't put shipping rules or any of the other things that will get a post pulled around here.  Just one man's opinion.

3 minutes ago, THE_BEYONDER said:

 

I get where you're coming from.   For me, If a seller if pricing their stuff to the moon...I just move on.  

 

As do I, as I said.  Thought it might be a fun topic though.

Just now, thehumantorch said:

Please show me anything priced 10X the going rate.

I expressly stated it was a hypothetical--though I guess I can go make one right now if that helps. The idea is, if those two posts are equally worthless, as is my position, then it simply becomes a discussion of degree.

2 minutes ago, William-James88 said:

Honestly, I feel people can so as they wish (either in pricing or discussing the oeice) and shouldnt be punished or told off in either scenario.

I can get on board with that.

3 minutes ago, SushiX said:

Main thing is they can ask for whatever they want and if someone doesn't like it they can just move on. I don't think their doing anything wrong. Not picking a fight here just adding my 

No fights--just a chat.   In my last hypothetical, do you agree that 1) a book with no price and 2) a book posted with a price that is 10x the going rate are both equally worthless? 

8 minutes ago, Erik Thorvaldsson said:

I fully realize it can be frustrating to see a book priced unreasonably high but I respect anyone's right to set whatever price they want. No one is forcing you to buy it. Historically, on this board, it's been frowned upon to 'threadcrap' in someone's sales thread. And complaining openly about pricing in their thread is threadcrapping.

However, the tone of this board has changed over the years but I still think that it's a richard move to to these things openly in a sales thread. Send them a PM or post in the thread shown below.

 

Yeah, but you're just repeating what is customary and/or "frowned upon."  I already know that, as I acknowledged in my post.  I asked you to, just for the purposes of this discussion here, forget about the rules/policy/custom for a moment and actually discuss whether or not that should be the policy.  

Using a PM doesn't get it done with regard to my proposition that sometimes we might have a responsibility to alert other people.  (Not insisting that we do--but that's the topic of discussion I have proposed.)  

As to protecting the right of people to post whatever price they want, let me ask you a hypothetical.  It is against the rules, for example, to post something with no price.  But it's fine to post something at (for the sake of discussion) 10x the going rate?  Both posts are equally and absolutely worthless, wouldn't you agree?

The Beyonder himself encouraged me to make this post so here it is.

For the most part, I think this board is pretty good for deals.  And it should be--sellers don't have to pay any eBay fees.  As a general rule, it seems to me at a minimum things posted here should be 10% less than the going eBay rate.  (This is exclusive of super rare stuff--I'm talking about stuff where if you search on eBay you get multiple BINs.)

But then sometimes I see stuff that is just totally out of whack.  Say something that is 25% (or more) higher than multiple eBay BINs that are up at the time of the posting, and if you search by new, have been up for months, and even have best offer functionality.  But I understand board etiquette so I just close the thread and move on.  But should it really be like that?  I mean predatory pricing like that can really only have two outcomes: 1) most likely, it just won't sell 2) someone will drunkenly or absentmindedly take it and then realize their mistake later.  Either outcome seems suboptimal.  It kind of turns the post just into spam, and spam isn't allowed, right?

Occasionally in such a thread someone will point it out,  even just to ask for clarification as to the discrepancy or because they might be missing something (like maybe they don't know UPCs are sometimes higher, or it's some variant they aren't aware of, etc), and the response is generally to get out of someone's sales thread.  Forgetting that that's the custom for a second, I posit to you that maybe people actually have a responsibility to speak up in some cases.  

Alright, let me have it.

49 minutes ago, littledoom said:

What was the comic? There’s a thread for that btw

Oh thought I was being original.  Shoulda known better.  Anyway, it wasn't great.  Was just enough that I had to weigh how much feedback was worth in $. 

Back on track: I had been looking for a Spider-Man Platinum 9.8 for a long time where I was actually happy with the copy.  (Notoriously bad book, highly variable even in 9.8.)  After passing on countless pregraded ones, I saw a raw that looked really great, and that I was happier with, based on the cover, than any of the 9.8s.  Still, I had no idea if it had been restored or any of that, and I'm mostly a newbie, so I debated it for a long time.  Finally decided to take a chance and buy the raw and send it in.    After spamming refresh on the CGC status page it came up.  9.8 White, blue label.  Best moment for me since returning to the hobby.

How about a reverse?  The best deal you ever gave someone on eBay?

I'll go first.  I was doing 7 day penny auctions, as I usually do, and accidentally listed one as BIN.  It sold in about 5 seconds.  I honored the sale anyway, and the dude didn't even leave me feedback.

On 7/2/2020 at 11:14 PM, BOLORINO said:

 

Hi Poekaymon,

 

Yes... there are very expensive brand new 

I'm not sure if you watched the video, but I actually paid much less.  The first two I think I paid around $480 each

Then, I was able to find a beige one for around $300 and spent $100 on paint etc...  so I spent less than $500 for each cabinet on average. 

That's still a lot, but for 100 books, that's about $5 a book so not too bad   They are very well build, so if you can find them locally for $300 to $800 I'd get them.

Here's the update video about the cabinet ( the answer is; Yes , to me that's the best cabinet I could find for what I need; may not be the best option for everyone).

 

I just think it's so cool to open the drawer and see 10 awesome comic books all at the same time  

 

 

 

Couldn't find anything decent around here.  There were a few that had been neglected in some warehouse and looked all rusty and chewed up and they still wanted like $500.  Someone probably needs to make something like this more tailored to slabs.