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On 3/9/2020 at 10:11 PM, Tony S said:

Sad for your lose. No one wants to have a comic book go missing as a result of submitting it for 3rd party grading and encapsulation. And this was a signed book, so there is no doubt an even greater emotional attachment. 

That said, despite the best attempts and processes set up, humans make mistakes.  This is the reason we are told to declare a value on the books submitted to 3rd party grading services. If they cannot find your book, CBCS  - and CGC - will/would compensate. But probably only up to the amount one declares the value of the book(s) to be. 

Someone posted up here on these boards about a year ago that CGC had lost his books.  USPS showed delivered and signed for and I believe CGC showed them originally received on the web portal.  But CGC could not locate them.  So while thankfully lost books are rare, it is not impossible. Hopefully your book will turn up. If not you will receive some compensation. Perhaps they could get another copy of the book and have a facilitator get the same signatures. Like CGC, they set up at plenty of shows and have facilitators going to additional shows. 
 

Recreating this particular piece is rather complicated by the death of Herb Trimpe in 2015. Anyway, especially with unique items, I don't think it's ever bad for the collecting community to know when they've wandered off, just in case they turn up via an inappropriate third party or the like.

55 minutes ago, nepatkm said:

I've started trying to complete to many sets in CGC graded, currently I have been trying to complete The Punisher (1987) Set #1-104 with 2 Variants (#57, 100 Newsstand, (Not including UPC variant Newsstands,.... yet ) _and the 7 Annuals in CGC 9.8 -need 9 issues in 9.8 to complete in grade. Its been a decade, and a lot harder to complete than I originally thought it would be...

--Largest series I am close to completing in 9.8 grade.. It is frustrating, and costly, but will be a Fantastic satisfaction to complete.

That is an impressive set of Punishers. And yeah, I can imagine it's tough to find 9.8s for random issues late in a run that virtually no one else slabs. Do you just pick them up in relative bulk and put them through the CGC prescreen?

6 hours ago, dm226 said:

Greetings all,
I have been slowly accumulating copper and modern newsstand editions, mostly from the dollar bins, including some Image books. Most are fairly easy to find, and I appreciate this site as a source of information. As per some earlier thread discussion, I was under the impression that there were no Youngblood newsstand editions but last week I found two at a used book store (volume 2, numbers 2 and 5). I have included a picture of #2 below and would be interested to know if anyone else has had any luck finding the other issues...

Dan

For the 1995 (volume 2) series, I can confirm #1,#2, and #5 exist with newsstand versions. I'm not aware of any of the other issues as newsies. In particular, I really don't expect #4 in newsstand, since some combination of the polybag/unbagged split probably was used in that way.

1 hour ago, OwMyToe said:

But this isn't any book, it's one with half a front and no back cover.

Oh, I didn't realize how robust the half a front and no back cover market is  

I'd absolutely slab an Action 1, AF15, or Det27 with no BC and half a FC. Copies of all of those trade regularly for pretty solid folding money in even worse condition than that.

5 minutes ago, drewincanada said:

Yes. 
 

I first contacted them via their Facebook page. Jen Perry who run it sent me a reply to say that her husband is running the auction on Invaluable and to contact him there because he doesn’t do Facebook. 
 

So I sent him a message via Invaluable and asked for more info about where he got the Ditko drawings. 
 

Paul Perry replied with the standard line: “consigned by collector, no COA, no guarantees”.
 

I replied and let him know that the consensus among Ditko experts is that these are definitely fake, etc. 
 

He hasn’t responded. 

I'm not sure how much hope I'd have. Has anyone else read their auction participation terms -- and I'd like to make clear that this means "Relic Vintage" specifically, not all of Invaluable? That's some of the skeeviest fine print I have ever read. Relic Vintage offers absolutely no guarantees of any sort about the material they're auctioning, including no guarantee that they have legitimate title to sell it in the first place. But still no returns for any reason. They require the bidder agree that "the dispute resolution specified in the foregoing paragraph as the bidder's sole means to resolve any and all disputes" -- that preceding paragraph, for the record, stating that there is no dispute resolution at all. And they demand that you don't complain if they screw you: "the bidder specifically agrees that they will not file a dispute or chargeback of any kind with an online venue, a credit card merchant, or any other third-parties". Finally, since they went out of the way to point out that they don't ensure they have legal title to the stuff they sell, they require their buyer "waives and releases Relic Vintage Inc. from any and all claims, of whatever nature based on alleged defect(s) in legal title".

This is bad enough boilerplate that I'm not sure it's even legally enforceable, although clearly that's not an argument anyone should get into on an internet chat forum. But yikes. No one should do business with people like this.

Man, that Crow #3 cover looks fantastic in that grade. I owned most of that series at one point, but mine looked like it had come back from the dead for vengeance...

There's actually even more funny business going on here than just these two crappy fake Ditkos. Take a look at this one. Already posted in this thread? NOPE! There's a spot on Spidey's back that's white here, but black in the current auction... and a different, but equally fake, Ditko signature.

This one isn't up for auction right now. It sold in a different auction last year (seemingly unrelated to this one, but I'm not sure I'd trust that either).

I think the weaknesses in the paper started out as a production defect, but at the point where they're ugly open tears instead of production creases... ehh. The book is visually appealing enough that I can't imagine not marking it down fairly starkly (defects matter more in otherwise higher grade books).

Kerry Callen's parody covers are more believable...

1 hour ago, The Cimmerians Purse said:

ok i thought that I was sharing the worse of the two "Steve Ditko Spider Man doodles" from the auction... I was wrong 

this one is much worse! 

At least somebody tried to sign the first one as Steve... this is Sam *garbled reading last name <cough>* Sam Retco? 

...if anyone is looking for Ditko Spidey drawings this good... i can totally draw a spiderman this good. 1,500 

Yikes.

Okay, ignore what I said previously. This is the southbound product of a north-facing yak. If this is authentic, I'll eat my hat.

I mean, sometimes artists do quick sketches. Or try something different. Or have bad days, and produce a piece that's not really representative of their greater body of work or their level of talent. It's a big step to directly claim that a house is auctioning fraudulent or counterfeit material, absent actual evidence to that effect.

I won't go that far from just looking at pictures on the screen. But... what I am saying is that I sure wouldn't want that "Ditko Spiderman" (because it's hideous) and I wouldn't suggest anyone else touch it unless it comes with solidly documented provenance. 

Yeah, I have a few easier targets that I'll probably be completing before tackling Albedo for really reals. Honestly, my biggest worry with Albedo is how much it'll annoy me to permanently lack the first-print yellow table Prototype, which I neither expect to encounter nor be willing to pay for. 

But at least the idea of slabbing up some drek to make full runs of small series doesn't mean I'm crazy alone around here.

Has there been any evidence of Midnight Nation newsies? I know that the previous Joe's Comics book, Rising Stars, got dual distribution for at least some (and I suspect all) issues. Midnight was in 2000+, though, at what was already the tail end of Image's newsstand distribution program. But, at a minimum, newsies of Witchblade and Spawn were still going for several more years, so there's a possibility. 

I haven't seen any. But I'd sure like to know if they're out there. 

Is there any guidance to how sets should/do handle later printings, reprints, etc.? There doesn't seem to be a lot of consistency, but I imagine I might be missing something. For example, the Albedo registry set considers all the printings any of the first three printings (or their variants) of the #0 Prototype to be a single slot with varying point values, but treats the 1st and 2nd printings of Albedo #1 as different slots. On the other hand, I know that a lot of more mainstream titles ignore subsequent printings entirely.

What's the rule of thumb for this sort of thing? What determines when a later printing/reprint is its own slot vs. a lower-point slot fill vs. excluded from set consideration?

A lot of what I collect is from fairly self-contained targets with 10 or 20 books to chase, counting whatever variants exist (here used broadly, including alt covers, limited editions, art-swapped reprints, and sometimes even stuff that goes beyond what CGC cares about: DM/newsies, subsequent printings, and so on). I like the hunt. I also like chasing high grade copies. I have no illusion that this is an investment. I collect what I want, and I'm quite comfortable doing so. I enjoy the appeal of slabbing my prey because it provides the grading with an imprimatur, and because I think CGC's slabs look pretty classy, frankly. I have TPBs and reading copies to, well, read.

But, um, a lot of this sort of thing starts off really strong and then goes for... awhile. I'm curious how other people handle that. How far do you let a set wander off into the weeds before you stop slabbing? As an example that I haven't targeted (yet, anyway) but that should be familiar to everyone: Albedo. Obviously, Albedo #2 is a key copper indie, and the Albedo #0 1st print yellow desk is one of the great rarities of the era. But the Thoughts and Images series runs to #14 (to say nothing of the Antarctic Press and Shanda Fantasy Arts series, which I frankly assume are of interest only to their primary demographic). As I type this, there are zero slabbed copies of Albedo #9-12, 14. Obviously, despite starting with several rare, fairly high-dollar, and even key issues... no one is actually interested in slabbing the full run.

So, what does everyone else do when their set starts strong but ends in drek? Is the cost of encapsulation enough to deter making full run match for storage and presentation? Or does everyone just put the boring fill in mylar to think about what it (hasn't) done?