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What happens if we process a submission online but never send it in?

I just entered a submission with CCS pressing but am reconsidering having someone else do the pressing so I can see the books before I submit.  What happens if I don't send the books in?

Thanks,

Ed

1 hour ago, Galen130 said:

Well, that cleaned up nicely.  Didn't consider a clean/press.  Nice one!!!   

I knew it needed a clean and press but I was honestly expecting 9.6 ONLY because I already have a 9.8 in this book and the top edge looks like it was cut with a dull blade. I sent in my already graded 9.8 for a Meyhew remarque. If it comes back less than 9.8 after this hit 9.8 I'll be much more than annoyed.

This coming back to me some time next week.  Submit the grade you think it's getting and I'll post a picture of the book as soon as I get it.  I had it pressed and cleaned by CCS.

Thanks!

High res photos below

https://photos.app.goo.gl/wdHb7WkoHmdePD796

The grade is in.

The grade is in.

8 hours ago, Tony S said:

This "issue" gets posted every couple of months here on the forums. 

I'll try to be brief. If you value the grade your book is in more than the signature, don't remove it from the CGC holder to get it signed. In the process of getting book removed from the holder, getting signed and getting regraded there are multiple steps, multiple people handling the book and thus multiple opportunities for the book to get a bend or bump or worse. 

I personally NEVER remove 9.8's from holders for signatures. NEVER< NEVER. Because for all practical purposes, 9.8 is the top grade. The chances of a 9.8 going to 9.9 are pretty much  zero.  So the best you can hope for is the same grade. Dropping one or more grades is a real possibility.  Go find a 9.4 or a 9.6 and get it pressed after signed. Then you might get good news instead of bad. 

You just have to decide.... Which is more important to you?  The current grade or that book with a signature - perhaps with a lesser grade?  Because the risk of a grade drop - as the OP has discovered - is real. 

This was the dilemma I was facing when deciding to send in a few books for Claremont to sign (First Rogue, first Psylocke, first Emma Frost/Kitty Pride).  I asked CGC for some stats on how often a grade gets dropped when being signed.  They couldn't provide any numbers, as it's not something they track, but they informed me it is a rare occurrence.  From that exchange I decided it was OK to submit them for signature.  I think I'm just spooked right now knowing I have high value books at risk after seeing 1 out of the first 5 pre-graded books I submitted come back a lower grade.  I believe the other books I sent in were more solid 9.8s and are less likely to see a grade drop as long as the books are handled well.

12 hours ago, Myowncollector said:

Sometimes you have a 9.7 Since there is no 9.7 you have to go one way or the other. That's probably it. But you would think cgc and artist would be more careful with books, if you keep getting 9.8s lowered are you going to keep paying to get them signed. 

I was thinking exactly what you stated.  Perhaps the book was a "9.7".  The first grading committee rounded up, but this time, the grading committee rounded down.  I intend to have 1 more person sign the book.  Hopefully when it get regraded, the committee will bring it back to the 9.8.

1 hour ago, Ryan. said:

A properly window bagged book really shouldn't drop in grade unless it is removed from the bag or handled particularly egregiously. I've only ever had one book drop in grade, from 9.4 to 9.2, because Rick Veitch decided to take my book home with him from a show because he couldn't decide how he wanted to remark the cover. 

The book I submitted did have a noticable and significant flaw on the bottom corner of the spine. I think the downgrade is more likely due to grader opinion on that defect than a new defect occurred during signing. 

Here's a link to the book if you happen to be interested in seeing it prior to signatures.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1YYQRsRUAtax6nwK6

Hi Jenn....  Guess what happened?  I think I might have jinxed myself, but one of my previously graded 9.8 books is coming back to me from the Cates and Stegman signing as a 9.6.  I did not have it pressed after signing as I was confident the book would be handled carefully.  But now I'm weary about the other books I have sitting at CGC awaiting their signature events.  I forget which I requested pressing for and which I didn't.  I'm pretty sure the majority of the books I submitted with no pressing.  Can you help me with adding the pressing service?  Also, is there anything I can do about the book that already received the reduced grade?

Thanks and I hope you had a wonderful July 4th holiday,

Ed

I appreciate all the replies.  I guess I thought with the book in a window bag most of the handling issues would be negligible.  I guess I better contact CGC to add pressing to my books for after signing.  As of right now, I had 4 9.8s cracked and signed.  all but 1 came back a 9.8.  small sample size, but if 25% come back at a lower grade, that's a terrible result.

Have any of you had books CGC graded at 9.8 submitted to them for a signing and have it come back as a 9.6 (or lower)?  I thought the likelihood of this happening would be very low.  So far I have submitted a total of 4 previously graded books for signature.  I didn't opt to have my 9.8 books pressed after signing because I felt the extra $20 is a rip off on top of the $70 (or more) for a signature.  1 is coming back a 9.6 and I'm quite annoyed about it.  So my personal experience us a 25% rate of decreased grade from signing.  I know it's a minuscule sample size, but i'm getting nervous about the 9.8 X-Men 129 that is in CGC's possession right now.

2 hours ago, Jennifer F. said:

Good morning,

Thanks for your message.  Are you referring to sending an already CGC graded book in for one of the private signings?  In the case of a book that is cracked out of a CGC case for a signing, once the book is out of the CGC holder that original grade is no longer valid and there is always the chance the grade could change.  While all of the artists signing do try to be as careful as possible with the books, there is always the chance a new defect might be caused during the event.  The graders are going to grade the book not on how it was before the signing but the condition of the book as it is currently when it gets in to them.  It is possible for the grade to go down in that case.  If that is something you are concerned about, you might want to consider opting for pressing as well as grading.  In that scenario, we would press the book after the signing and before it goes in to the graders. 

If you have any other questions, please let us know.  Thanks!

Thanks Jenn,

Your response was exactly what I was referring to.  I completely understood the process as you describe it.  Graders receive no bias after the signature occurs when they are regrading the book before encapsulation.  I agree with that wholeheartedly.  However, it's still possible that a pressed book after the signing still may not fix a potential defect that would cause a grade reduction.  In the cases where this happens and a book of significant value drops a grade, is there any procedure for the owner to place an insurance claim or do we have to accept the fact that the book is losing value?

Also, do you have any estimate of how often a grade drop occurs during signature?

Thanks again,

Ed

Hi Jenn,

I am curious what is done in the case where a book is submitted as a 9.8 graded comic, goes through the signing and then is regraded at anything less than a 9.8.  Would an insurance claim be submitted to account for the loss of value the book incurred while CGC was in possession of the book?  I have already sent some books in but am cautious about sending in some of my higher priced graded books as I'm not sure certain signatures on the book are worth the risk if the books come back a lower grade.  Would there be any recourse a customer could take or are we supposed to accept the risk and whatever outcome of the grading?

Thanks,

Ed

41 minutes ago, Jennifer F. said:

Good morning, thanks for your message!  Generally, it will take at least a few days if not a bit longer for your invoice to show in the system.  This is due to the very high volume of mail we receive each day.  If your tracking shows the package has been delivered then we do have it at our office and it is just a matter of opening and entering that into our system.  You will receive an email once that has been entered but you might not see that for a week or so after it has been delivered.  

Thanks!

Thanks Jennifer!  The books are for the signings so I wanted to be sure I made the deadline.  Knowing the tracking states the books have been received is a relief based on what you said.

On average, how long would it take between a submission being delivered and it appearing on the site for tracking?

Anyone know what happened to the Mayhew signing?

14 hours ago, Chazgee said:

So far, just one. Greg Horn deadline is June 26th. Hopefully they'll announce more creators in the weeks to come.

https://www.cgccomics.com/news/article/8231/

Btw, you should get on their email list if you're interested in these.

I thought I was on the email list...  I bet their emails are being redirected to one of my pre-specified gmail folders...

Thanks for the info!

2 hours ago, Chazgee said:

No, pretty sure they're not offering that service as part of their Private Signing Events.  You would need to get them pre-screened, graded and back to you in time for you to re-submit them for the Private Signing Event.

If you submit them Fast Track now, you might have time to do this for the next round of signings with June cutoff dates.

Have they announced the next round of signings after the group with deadlines at the end of May?

Nevermind.  I am seeing Horn has been announced

Does anyone here know if you can send CGC your books before they get signed to attempt to ensure they'll get a minimum grade after signing?  From my understanding, the books get graded after the signing (to ensure no damage occurred during the actual signing), but does CGC offer a service to prescreen 9.8s to have signed before their signing events?

Thanks!

Ed

I would assume this type of defect makes it even more difficult to predict the grade CGC will give a book as I assume this issue will exist on many books at varying degrees.  Those where this issue exists to a lesser degree than others will likely be graded more favorably.  Thank you both!

34 minutes ago, Deadpoolica said:

Not with this issue, imo most of what you're thinking is "spine wear" isn't really spine wear

Just my 

2 main issues I see are top/botttom left corners....top being the worst of the two 

That's not spine wear?  What is it then? splitting?

3 hours ago, Deadpoolica said:

9.6

That level of spine wear isn't of concern?

6 hours ago, JoshGrav said:

its so hard to judge these new comics from Marvel and some of the DC ones because the paper they are printed on is such thin . The spines are already compressed when they arrive and they all have a vertical spine line from the compression. But I guess they still graded by CGC as 9.8's because that's just how they were printed. I wish CGC would give a clear answer on if the spine is broken from normal opening and closing or just compression, does that hurt the grade. Im not talking about a frayed or damaged spine.

To be honest, when the issue is spine wear it's impossible to tell the severity from pictures. I like to run my finger down the spine to see how smooth the spine is. This book feels pretty good. It also looks better then some 9.8s I already have in my collection

7 hours ago, comicginger1789 said:

The top and bottom of spine seem slightly worn or frayed. I mean, I have seen the occasional 9.8 get by if it is the bottom. In my mind, I would be anticipating 9.4-9.6 on this as is. 

Thank you for your review.