DrWatson

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Foam rubber, t-shirts, or store the books flat until you have enough to fill the box.

I would love to have one of those zappers Coulson used to blow up Garrett.

Two Wongs can't make a Wright.

Isn't Graviton still inside that ball of silver goo they toted out of the basement of the Fridge?

Yep. He's on his way out and the black dude is his replacement muscle.

"I would not trade for any amount of money the unlikely and wonderful relationships I've built up over the years in my pursuing the hobby, whenever and wherever and however."

 

Love this quote!

 

I would trade two or three for some magic beans.

 

I would trade you for non-magic beans

You'd be getting your monies worth.

"I would not trade for any amount of money the unlikely and wonderful relationships I've built up over the years in my pursuing the hobby, whenever and wherever and however."

 

Love this quote!

 

I would trade two or three for some magic beans.

Because it's not a "screw up."

 

It's an opinion, of *this* book, at *this* time, on *this* day.

 

And yes, you're perfectly right: a 9.6 and 9.8 can often be interchangeable.

 

There are books that are definitive 9.6 and 9.8.

 

The problem is that there is no 9.7 grade. I have seen thousands of books that "in my mind" I call a 9.7 and decide if I should give it a 9.6 or 9.8 depending on certain factors, one factor being "Will this book look like a 9.6 or a 9.8 in a holder".

 

You also can't have a 9.1, 9.3, 9.5 or 9.7 grade in the scale, as it would make it even more difficult to be a consistent grader.

 

PQ can change depending on the lighting. I had more trouble with PQ at onsite grading than I did sitting at my grading desk in an office.

 

 

 

Luckily there was a 6.5 grade that the JiM # 83 should've maybe ended up at?

 

Not trying to be an arse though, Steve. Just the first thing that popped into my head.

 

Did anyone request grader's notes on the book or has that already been covered?

 

Who wants to pay for something that should be free?

Two words: bottled water.

 

Tap water isn't free.

Were I live we have wells. So, we drink our water only once.

Because it's not a "screw up."

 

It's an opinion, of *this* book, at *this* time, on *this* day.

 

And yes, you're perfectly right: a 9.6 and 9.8 can often be interchangeable.

 

There are books that are definitive 9.6 and 9.8.

 

The problem is that there is no 9.7 grade. I have seen thousands of books that "in my mind" I call a 9.7 and decide if I should give it a 9.6 or 9.8 depending on certain factors, one factor being "Will this book look like a 9.6 or a 9.8 in a holder".

 

You also can't have a 9.1, 9.3, 9.5 or 9.7 grade in the scale, as it would make it even more difficult to be a consistent grader.

 

PQ can change depending on the lighting. I had more trouble with PQ at onsite grading than I did sitting at my grading desk in an office.

 

 

 

Luckily there was a 6.5 grade that the JiM # 83 should've maybe ended up at?

 

Not trying to be an arse though, Steve. Just the first thing that popped into my head.

 

Did anyone request grader's notes on the book or has that already been covered?

 

Who wants to pay for something that should be free?

Two words: bottled water.

Who Is Grading Your Comics? Meet CGC’s Grading Team!

 

Not even close to enough people for the volume they do. They need to get their act together and stop being a mom&pop shop with everything they do.

 

They have more than enough income to do much much better. No excuses.

 

 

Which one of those is you?

 

 

My solve involvement with CGC is working for the Signature Series program at various shows throughout the year.

 

They don't pay you to defend them on the interweb?

 

If not....they should.

Don't pick on him too much. He's entitled to his opinion even if it's wrong.

Whilst I'm sure that this whole incident has been shocking for the OP - and obviously world-shattering for a lot of the responders - I'm really not sure why?

 

The bottom line here is that an opinion has changed. That the consequences of said changed opinion are so huge has nothing to do with CGC and everything to do with us, the marketplace.

 

Being brutally honest, despite their deliberately misleading business name, CGC guarantees nothing other than the fact that a couple of nameless employees, with unknown credentials, working to undisclosed 'standards', will take a gander at your book. The next time said book comes back through Sarasota, it will be a different pair of nameless employees, with unknown credentials, working to undisclosed 'standards',who will give it the once over. It might also be examined during show season, when the pressure is huge to turn books around and employees are working 50% longer hours. It might also be examined during a 'lax' period of grading.

 

All in all, it's not exactly a model for consistency and in truth, you're likely to get more consistency (please note I didn't say 'more accuracy', as that's a whole other debate) buying raw books from the same dealer over and over again.

 

And yet we, the market, put so much store by these entombed collectibles that we are willing to pay huge premiums for exactly the same item we could have bought outside of a slab, solely on the basis of the Big Number.

 

But that Big Number can change in the blink of an eye, as can the fetching shade of the label, obviously.

 

Does nobody else grasp the lunacy inherent in this scenario?

 

CGC will make mistakes. CGC will continue to be inconsistent. It's not just because 'they're only human', but also because their internal processes contains flaws and also because the whole model is ripe for being gamed.

 

If more people truly understood this, we'd have a much more stable market, IMHO.

A stable market controlled by book junkies with OCD?!?

Yes it does. Basically, you can time the actual day of grading by using the Walkthru = they grade it the day it's received, or the next day. In this case it is suspicious the submitter gamed the system by submitting it on a day the whole crew was out of town. Very relevant.

This book needs to be sent back to CGC for inspection. Otherwise, how can CGC respond to any of this. I've talked to some people, outside of the Boards, and the one common response is why did the submitter flaunt this?

I'm still in the camp that CGC got played.

If the graders the CGC leave behind when they go to shows can't accurately grade a book on a walkthrough, then perhaps they shouldn't accept a book for walkthrough service until the "knowledgeable" graders get home.

Is that what you're saying?

And how did it get graded so quickly. If you factor in the shipping times from CGC to customer, customer sells it to next person, then customer shipsback to CGC... that has to take awhile. How did this book get graded so fast? Did someone pay for a walkthrough?

The Grader's Notes are $15, so it was a walk through:

Introductory Fees for CGC Grader Notes:

Comics Submitted Under (Tier)... Dealer & Elite Fee.... Regular Fee

Economy, Value and Modern...... $4 ............................$5

Standard and Express............... $8 .................... $10

Walkthrough.............................. $12 .................. $15

What really confuses me are the grade dates. Only several weeks apart. This book and all the hoopla had to be fresh in their memories. You'd have to be completely incompetent for not a single CGC employee to go, "Hey isn't this the comic we just had all the....."

You answered your own question.

I'm no CGC zombie but this is almost too good to be true for anti CGCers. Smells like a set-up.

The purple label 7.0 was graded before the blue label 6.0. Plus, why would anyone want to go to the expense for a setup? There's really nothing to be gained other than bad press and the CGC certainly doesn't need anyone's help in that regard.

Certification #: 0227546002

Title: Journey Into Mystery

Issue: 83

Issue Date: 8/62

Issue Year: 1962

Publisher: Marvel Comics

Grade: 7.0

Pedigree: COVER TRIMMED

Page Quality: OFF-WHITE TO WHITE

Label Text: TOP EDGE OF COVER TRIMMED.

Grade Date: 02/14/2014

Category: Apparent

Art Comments: Stan Lee story

Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko art

Jack Kirby cover

Key Comments: Origin and 1st appearance of Thor

(Doctor Don Blake).

Certification #: 0230667003

Title: Journey Into Mystery

Issue: 83

Issue Date: 8/62

Issue Year: 1962

Publisher: Marvel Comics

Grade: 6.0

Page Quality: OFF-WHITE

Grade Date: 03/27/2014

Category: Universal

Art Comments: Stan Lee story

Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko art

Jack Kirby cover

Key Comments: Origin and 1st appearance of Thor

(Doctor Don Blake).

Zip it.

May knows.

The guy was, in fact, blue.

I hope not. If it is, they cut off his fin.

The guy is blue and a lot larger in size when you look at him and Coulson together.

That.

Some people are only happy when it rains.