JTLarsen

I think there are like 2 known copies of his first appearance. First Alan Moore Marvelman would be a better place to start. I was actually kidding, though one copy actually did show up on ebay years ago. Sorry about that! (And yes, I highly recommend first Alan Moore Marvelman to everyone--Warrior #1! Also first V for Vendetta!)

Yeah... Good luck with that. Hey, someone once sent me a copy of Green Lantern 76 totally out of the blue. For free.

So, is Kid Marvelman/Miracleman's first appearance heating up on ebay?

This is actualy a big deal. Rare book that was never reprinted till now, plus you get new extras including a house ad concept art, the development of the original cover from sketch to inks to colors, scans of the original artboards of ten pages, character study and scene sketches by Totleben, layouts and sketches, and an unused layout page for page 19 Im alll in on that one Some of Totleben's studies for pivotal scenes--e.g., the battle's end--are just stunning.

Please let everyone be burned out on variants by the time this thing gets released, so I can actually find a sanely priced Hughes variant...

It was $19.99.

GrahamCrackers.com is already sold out of the Phantom sketch variant, but still has the Phantom color variant, at $9.99, with a limit of one per customer. Or did ten minutes ago.

Link? http://www.ebay.com/itm/MIRACLEMAN-OLYMPUS-HC-Issues-11-16-1-of-A-KIND-GRAIL-ECLIPSE-BLUELINES-w-CREDITS-/151570183280?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item234a497470'>LINK Thanks. Good Lord that item description is hilarious and exhausting. This IS a very cool item. But $10,000? Not hardly.

Link?

I was dreadfully disappointed by the Grant Morrison story. The Milligan story was fun, I thought, and well done (he's STILL underrated). But the Morrison story had such a history to it, you expected it to be a little (lot) more substantive.

Let's not reinforce stereotypes about how comics fans stereotype women, please. I know you're kidding. I know you mean no harm. Just please go the next step and imagine a woman reading this who's been hit by someone who called her a pain in the . They're out there and more of them are in our community than ever. These jokes might be a lot funnier if we didn't live in a world where men use exactly that kind of thinking, for real, to justify violence against women. And there is a lot of violence against women. Please no lectures on having a sense of humor, folks. I do. I've literally worked for Comedy Central. I just don't find these jokes funny and the upside of resisting them is we don't perpetuate this thinking OR the stereotypes about comic fans and women. All I'm asking is that we not say here what we wouldn't say to a woman's face. Thanks.

Hi Derek, thanks for sharing this. WOW. I think it was not a scam (where's the part where they make money? Why cancel the sale on me?) -- my guess is that they've decided to try for more money. The guy was willing to sell it to me for, I think, $50 before he knew about the intense interest. He told me there was other family involved in the sale--I assume this was a dead relative's comic. And the rest of the family wanted to get more than that $50, which is why he canceled. So my guess is that, with Bleeding Cool and others writing about what a big deal this was, the family pressured this guy to pull it...and maybe seek an auction house to get the riches the dream of. Not realizing that they've just pissed off the two people (who WERE) willing to spend that kind of money. I certainly wouldn't again. Oh, and I'd love to know WHEN they approached you--I'd be interested to see how that syncs up with the timeline of when they jerked me around on the (ALREADY-AGREED-TO) shipping to the US and, ultimately, their cancellation. For what it's worth, if I wasn't gonna get it, you (or Ewan!) woulda been my first choices. Sorry it didn't happen for you. #boycottMarvelman26

This is the definition of a straw man. You are arguing against things that no one said, and setting up fake examples to knock down. "CM1 is the book where Carol becomes Captain Marvel, its not an origin story." I don't care whether it's her origin or not and haven't argued regarding that at all (see: ACTUAL definition of straw man). I have argued that a week that comes before another week comes first. If you're saying Avenging Spider-Man 9 was not her first appearance, she must not have appeared in it. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got a hot lead on Batman 404, his first appearance.

Keep in mind, if the second printing comes out a week later, it's actually a first printing. Because science.

As much as you'd like that to be true, unfortunately its not. It's one story, released out of order to boost sales. Right. So the day after she appeared in Avenging Spider-Man but had not yet appeared in Captain Marvel 1, the reality was--she hadn't appeared at all! Or, it was her second appearance, and people were just going to have to wait a week for her first appearance, which would appear second, following her second appearance, which appeared first. I can see why you do this now. It's fun!

I think people are arguing with you because they really don't care if she first becomes Captain Marvel in CM 1, chronologically speaking, when the Avenging Spider-Man issue was released first and features her as Captain Marvel. That would make it her first appearance as Captain Marvel, since the book released first, even though its telling a story that occurs after the events of CM 1. This is what I have gathered browsing the thread, having never read or owned an issue of Captain Marvel, Ms Marvel, or Avenging Spider-Man. Is Detective Comics 27 the first appearance of Batman or Detective Comics 404 which features Bruce Wayne as Batman chronologically before the first appearance in Detective Comics 27? I think you mean Batman 404. But yes, historically, Batman 404 is considered the first appearance of Batman as that is when Bruce Wayne BECOMES Batman. If you are a collector of release dates, I guess you can chase Detective...what number was it again? 27? But if you want the first moment in history when people first saw the character of Batman, you want Batman 404.

Weird that they wouldn't want their endorsement to be public.

"together" = "apart" You. With the logic. Get out.

I started the discussion with a loaded comment no doubt. If an existing character changes her name, the book where she changes her name, is the relevant book. My point about forest and trees remains, and was always about people chasing a date or previews as opposed to the actual event in question. The people in the thread, with relation to me or "Arguing" with me, fall into three categories. 1.) Those having an honest discussion about the merits of both books. I respect that, and have no problem with it. 2.) People who have AS9 to sell and dont like me not drinking the kool-aid, or taking kool-aid out of would be victims hands. 3.) My haters, mostly people who have lost arguments in the past and "cant handle the truth"/"are mad bro". CM1 is the book where Carol becomes Captain Marvel, no amount of debating can change that. Right. And Superman 1 is the book where Kal El becomes Superman, which is why no one wants Action 1 or considers Action 1 the first appearance of Superman. It just happened because of release-date scheduling to come out first, making it an interesting little footnote in comics history, but nothing more. Real collectors know that Superman 1 is the one to have.

The one where she becomes Captain Marvel. But she's already Captain Marvel in Avenging #9, says so right on the first page. She's not Captain Marvel in Captain Marvel #1.....then she decides to take the name, and she is. Hence, the first time she becomes Captain Marvel, is the panel where she becomes Captain Marvel. So, since Detective 27 isn't the first appearance of Batman any more, anyone know what was?

An ad, which is not particularly important. there is a preview in the back of DC Comics Presents 26 that people seem to be paying quite a bit for. and that Malibu Sun issue with the guy in a big red cape with chains seems to command some money as well. DC Comics Presents 26 contains a story that is not available in New Teen Titans 1. still a preview If you say it enough times, that ought to make it true. Except for people who understand what the prefix "pre" and the word "view" mean, of course.

An ad, which is not particularly important. there is a preview in the back of DC Comics Presents 26 that people seem to be paying quite a bit for. No, there isn't. It's a full, original story, not a preview of NTT 1. Did I say it was a preview of NTT 1? No, I didn't. It is a preview though, says so right there on the cover. Thanks for playing. Sorry. Didn't realize you deferred your own powers of judgment to someone slapping promo copy onto a comic-book cover. Probably for the best.

An ad, which is not particularly important. there is a preview in the back of DC Comics Presents 26 that people seem to be paying quite a bit for. No, there isn't. It's a full, original story, not a preview of NTT 1.

We should talk! (And congrats to your son on his new room!)

Not sure whether these constitute heating up or status quo, but was curious about Adam Hughes covers and found these sales... Supergirl & LOSH 23, CGC 9.8, $401 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=82492&item=251679891159&rt=nc&print=all&si=DXnryminW2rqeAUPt%2BsmUtFKHVE%3D ...and $400 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=82492&item=121464941962&rt=nc&print=all&si=DXnryminW2rqeAUPt%2BsmUtFKHVE%3D NM raw... $325! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=155290&item=141416701222&rt=nc&print=all&si=DXnryminW2rqeAUPt%2BsmUtFKHVE%3D (Other raw nms went for less, obviously, but pretty consistently above a hundred bucks, at least). Harley Quinn CGC 9.8 $187.50 http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARLEY-QUINN-1-CGC-9-8-VARIANT-COVER-ADAM-HUGHES-WHITE-PAGES-BATMAN-JOKER-/400794623628?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item5d51389e8c ...raw $85 http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARLEY-QUINN-1-Rare-1-50-Variant-by-Adam-Hughes-DC-NEW-52-Amanda-Conner-/181569089335?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2a465c6f37 Wonder Woman 600 CGC 9.8 $150 http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARLEY-QUINN-1-CGC-9-8-VARIANT-COVER-ADAM-HUGHES-WHITE-PAGES-BATMAN-JOKER-/400794623628?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item5d51389e8c ...raw $75 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wonder-Woman-600-Adam-Hughes-Variant-Rare-/161438394604?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item25967a68ec Wonder Woman 600 b&w variant CGC 9.2 $100 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=155290&item=261524174235&rt=nc&print=all&si=DXnryminW2rqeAUPt%2BsmUtFKHVE%3D Vampirella 1 CGC 9.8 $117.50 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vampirella-1-1992-CGC-9-8-Adam-Hughes-cover-/111433354404?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item19f1f20ca4 Action 800 CGC 9.8 $74.99 http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPERMAN-ACTION-COMICS-900-CGC-9-8-VARIANT-COVER-ADAM-HUGHES-/220956118064?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item337202cc30 Miracleman 12 raw $62 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Miracleman-12-1-in-25-Adam-Hughes-Variant-Cover-Marvel-Comics-/191389987535?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2c8fbb72cf Wonder Woman 184 RAW nm/nm+ $56.65 http://www.ebay.com/itm/WONDER-WOMAN-184-Adam-Hughes-Cover-DC-Comic-Book-1st-First-Print-NM-to-NM-/231270246536?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item35d8c7e888 ...and raw nm/nm+ $34 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wonder-Woman-184-NM-NM-1st-Print-Adam-Hughes-2002-/191322615805?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2c8bb76ffd Catwoman 54 RAW nm/mint $47 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=32752&item=151454244315&rt=nc&print=all&si=DXnryminW2rqeAUPt%2BsmUtFKHVE%3D Power Girl 2 raw nm $29.95 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Girl-2-Adam-Hughes-Variant-Cover-used-for-Cover-Girls-Statue-NM-Rare-/271588456456?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3f3beef808 Teen Titans 88 raw vf/nm $21.50 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Teen-Titans-88-Adam-Hughes-1-10-Variant-Cover-VF-NM-/400791834306?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item5d510e0ec2 It's just interesting to see which of his covers are starting to pop...both first- and second-tier. I think a growing number of these are going to become iconic images over time.