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Just as I thought this saga was coming to a close it gets even spicier. This thread is so good I started reading it yesterday at work and had to save it until today. I'm holding back tears right now bravo everyone.

4 minutes ago, Ron Churches said:

I think the Sports Card side is going to offer that service for a buck a card, which I find lazy. The order form is cumbersome, but functional. I do think Alohadude has something going on with his order that makes it more complex. Autographed cards? I've gotten back 2 bulk orders in the time he's been waiting for this one, so it has to be SOMETHING delaying it that he's not revealed (or does not know).

If I recall properly he had an order go backwards at one point so i'd assume he mislabled something that needed further researched or submitted to the wrong tier. I don't know it's an ongoing saga. It could also just be a massive bulk order or a combination of those factors that would delay the order severely.

2 hours ago, Ron Churches said:

Absolutely. I'd be curious as to why, as I promise you if I were a mod here I'd have figured out which order was his and escalated to get it process, if only to make all the posts about it stop. Is it 500 cards, or something? Is it a bunch of random promos they have to research? Did you sleep with the mod's sister and he comes in every day and moves your cards to the back of the line? 

There was a popular video going around that time that told people to submit their order and label the cards as “bulk cards” on the order sheet with x50 or how ever many cards instead of properly listing the cards so I imagine they have to research each card repeatedly. I assume a lot of people submitted this way.

1 hour ago, Tigerwithglasses said:

Alright, thank you. I'll keep this thread updated, I appreciate that.

 

Simeon.

Yeah you’re about a month out from scheduled for grading. Beyond that it’s about another four to five business days or so before your shipped out.

I've been hard on CGC they've encountered some faults and are actually making good headway into their backlog that is pretty impressive. They do grade strict there are cards I sent in that without a doubt would net a 10 at PSA that scored a weak 9 that being said they grade extremely fairly and from what I can see from the scans I completely agree with the grades they gave to each card. I don't have to look at a 10 and wonder how that card got a 10 and slid through the graders which is extremely refreshing. All being said I will continue using cgc as long as they stay accountable to their TAT. This is the value they bring over their competitors and why I think they have a place amongst the top in the industry. My sub was finished ahead of schedule by 4 days from the previous turnaround and 9 days prior to the current tier turnaround time. Absolute quality work.

13 hours ago, LKG said:

How long was it in scheduled for grading to grading?

Less than 24 hours for my most recent sub standard tier.

2 minutes ago, kodicampbell9 said:

Ok so more than likely my package is at CGC 

Nah it 100% is as long as it was sent to the correct PO box their deliveries are automatically forwarded to their warehouse. Your status should say received within the next week or so depending on their receiving backlog.

1 minute ago, kodicampbell9 said:

Anyone know if this is normal my cards say ready for pickup for 2 days now... and yes I sent to the correct address my first submission didn’t say this so I’m getting a little worried 

Yeah it's totally normal. The orders aren't actually being physically picked up it's the same as delivered. CGC's PO box is inside their building but the post office apparently isn't sophisticated enough to make the distinction between delivered to a PO box ready to be picked up and delivered to a warehouse PO box (i.e physically delivered) as far as I know.

5 hours ago, content808 said:

the increase to turn around is due to the data entry that they have to do. try sub grades on a 100 card bulk submission

Oh yes those decimal points can be tricky I can see why it takes an extra 5 days to enter them into the system... If anything you could say it’s research on the cards that take so long but you can’t charge more for sub grades at that point could you? It’s an arbitrary price increase they already use the sub grades to calculate the score but to print them so you can see them you have to pay more and wait 5 extra days. It’s literally just charging more to print them on the card that’s it.

On 1/30/2021 at 9:10 AM, mattyzeepgam said:

They are probably tired of giving garbage cards subgrades and tired of new stuff flooding the walkthroughs. 

I wish CGC would lose customers so I can get my stuff back quicker LOL. I mean, where are you going to go instead? PSA to where you can wait 6-8 months for a bulk return and have them give you all 9s on your stuff making them worth as much as cgc stuff anyway? 

Uhhh isn't that how cards are graded in the first place? They calculate the score based on the subgrades. It takes an extra 5 days to print the subgrades? Are they etching them in stone if so I can loan them a printer or two..? Subgrades keep grading companies accountable to their score. They shouldn't be rewarded for an arbitrary price raise that doesn't make sense in the first place other than the fact it's a popular service.

18 minutes ago, mattyzeepgam said:

You answered your own question. 3 months verses 6-9 months. That alone is the selling point. Im not going to wait 6-9 months when I can have stuff graded in 3, even less since I dont like grading stuff in bulk. I mostly grade newer stuff in bulk and usually pick up anything from XY - on for lower than market value due to that. I usually wait at least 3 months to grade anything newer (if I even bother since I dont like buying much XY, Sun & Moon, or SWSH stuff) since the hype cools off and the market settles on the values.

And your talking about CGC like they just went out of business. They are making plenty of money and have plenty of happy customers. If they lose a few people, well so be it, thats going to happen with any business. Yeah I get it, they arent lightning fast and you cant flip new for easy money, but they work just fine for me. 

I’m saying if cgc doesn’t provide as much or better value than psa/bgs while charging nearly the same price they’re ultimately doomed. The turnaround is all they have going for them at this time and it continues to increase and so do prices. They lose their competitive edge against the companies that have a larger market share and thus more desireable competition and cgc’s approach to maintaining their competitive edge has proven to fail. I’d wager PSA turnaround times come down sooner than CGC does at this point because they’ve had a head start using the same method and then what happens when the turnaround times are nearly identical?

26 minutes ago, mattyzeepgam said:

 

Its an industry issue. Its not an issue exclusive to CGC.

So how exactly does cgc address this differently to prevent the "Industry Issue" from bogging them down? Oh they took the same approach that doesn't work.

27 minutes ago, mattyzeepgam said:

There isnt ever going to be a reputable company that will be quick and cheap forever.

Correct. So why use the company that's going to bring less value to you if they're going to ultimately end up in the same boat..? What value does CGC bring over the competitors other than early turnaround times being lower?

30 minutes ago, mattyzeepgam said:

If CGC gets like PSA then im sure more grading companies will emerge to replace them, but those new companies will probably deal with the same issues since that is how it is across the board.

Sooo what value do those have other than having slightly lower turnaround times to flip your sick nasty zard pulls before everyone else?

31 minutes ago, mattyzeepgam said:

Regardless, I grade with CGC since they are the fastest. Maybe they might not be the fastest forever, but today they are and that is why I grade with them. 

Once again you have fastest confused with smaller backlog. They're only "Fastest" because they have less people utilizing their service and they've already shown to be getting backlogged and they took the same approach as their competitors that did not work to the issue. So I ask again, then what value does it bring to use cgc? They're already at 3 month turnaround times for bulk and growing.

8 minutes ago, Sp33dy said:

Exactly they following all other company's, instead of fixing the issue they have right now then raise prices to show us they are working hard and its gonna help us out with better tat, they chose to charge more and give worse service. Which is gonna be their downfall. Before raising prices u should make sure everything is running slow. Because there's ppl who still have orders of bulk from November still on received. And if its taking them over 3 months for their stuff, my bulk is 12/21 I can only imagine my order will not get to me until at least June. Which is the psa route

Just wait until they start grading sports cards and bulk grading shippers start sending in 10,000+ cards a week. Raising prices and hope that people stop sending stuff has proven to be the wrong approach if they’re looking to reduce turnarounds however it’s great for maximizing profits.

30 minutes ago, mattyzeepgam said:

CGC is the fastest for bulk right now

No their turnaround times are the lowest. This isn't the same thing as saying they're the fastest.

31 minutes ago, mattyzeepgam said:

fastest for other grading speeds

Correct because they're less backlogged. PSA has an entire warehouse of backlog.

32 minutes ago, mattyzeepgam said:

Everywhere else is almost half a year to a quarter of a year wait for bulk

There's 0 indication that CGC won't end up like that and there has been little reassurance they have found a solution to the ever increasing turnaround times in fact they've taken the same approach PSA has that resulted in their turnaround times.

12 minutes ago, mattyzeepgam said:

They are probably raising their prices since they are just as credible as any other grading company and have the fastest turn around time. Based on resale values, with the exception of 9.5's vs  PSA10s, CGC is basically the same thing as PSA and BGS except they are fastest. Unless you think your cards can get PSA 10s, there is zero reason to use anyone else right now since resale is pretty similar on similar grades.

And the grading market is just on fire right now. I cant even find any Pokemon cards at any stores near by me since the demand is like nothing I ever seen before. I really wish less people would submit, but thats not the case. The TAT times are getting longer since the system is overloaded. Still better turn around times than any other company and the quality of grading is on par with everyone else. It is what it is. 

Just a correction here. They aren't the fastest and aren't proven to be the fastest actually they're the least proven in the hobby. They're falling into the same pitfalls as competitors they're simply the least backlogged which results in faster turnaround times as you can see by the ever growing turnaround times. If prices continue to rise there's no value gained in paying the same fees for a CGC 9.5 for a psa10 in fact the opposite it makes it more likely for me to choose PSA considering the market share ultimately results in higher prices on resell for a dollar more investment per card bulk.

3 hours ago, OddBox said:

Unfortunately price increases are going to be needed across the board from graders. It’s unavoidable, there are so many people grading their cards and without price increases the only thing that will happen is 1 year turnaround times. Its better they are doing this early. 

That's not what's happening at all psa/bgs did the same and they're still 6-9 month turnaround. It doesn't dissuade people from submitting cards only digs into the profit of bulk resellers while draining collectors further and ultimately lowers the value gained by grading cards.

12 hours ago, Ttbell said:

Does anybody know the time frame of Scheduled for Grading to Finalized/Shipped? 

I know it's not a set number of days, but a time frame would be awesome.

Depends on tier that’s why there’s schedule for grading. There’s no cheat code to find out where you fall on this schedule. Once you have a cert number though you can slueth through cert numbers backwards from yours until you see a graded card and that’s how many cards are in line before yours typically.

On 1/20/2021 at 10:29 AM, Murrayj16 said:

Just got the card back no bends or anything. the surface looks good to me... makes me worried if this was a computer oversight or something.

I'm just relying on the scans when looking at the cert number but it appears to be some small pin hole sized indenting on the back right side border near the top 1/3rd of the card. If that's the case that's industry standard for any damage to the cards surface. PSA would dock it straight to a maximum 6 without any further review needed.