JohnBurke

On 6/21/2023 at 11:25 AM, Pokemon Mattster said:

But explain this to me. If a 9 stays a 9, a 9.5 becomes a 10, and they still use the 0.5 grades, they are essentially adding a new Mint+ 9.5 grade to the scale. Going forward how are they going to discern a 9 from a 9.5 from a 10? I currently own hundreds of 9's and 9.5's and I often cannot find the reason for the 0.5 grade difference. If I crack and resend a bunch of my "strong 9's" are they going to possibly be Mint+ 9.5s now on the new scale?

You’re right on that it’s a new grade for halfway in between mint and gem mint. This already happened for CSG a while ago. The 9.5 mint+ don’t carry too much of a premium since people mostly will pay more for the gem. Might be worth resubbing some heavy hitters, otherwise I wouldn’t bother. But this means moving forward they aren’t grading any easier, just essentially more accurate for that category 

Lol at “grading standards have changed”

It’s literally only the scale, gem mint is still gem mint, how is this hard to understand? 

Yup and much less scuffing too than in the older days. For the packaging material and dust I always just use a can of compressed air 

I've used Plast-X on CSG/CGC slabs with success. However I always use a brand new microfiber cloth each cleaning session. I've found re used ones sometimes cause more scratches (which I then buffed out with a new one lol). Also firstly of course use something like compressed air can to remove all debree and dust.

Could be a mistake, def contact customer service. All reholders do get new certs though 

I know you asked about a box but just figured I’d let all know that these pages fit slabs perfectly. Actually I use graded card team bags first and then they fit super snug and further protects slabs. Throw them in a large zipper binder and good to go
 

https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Pro-4-Pocket-Platinum-Pockets/dp/B0009RNQN2/ref=asc_df_B0009RNQN2/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167151447010&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10335113250977179840&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9005495&hvtargid=pla-275056597808&psc=1

LOVE IT I have been saving a few of these for this. I remember being bummed getting packs of these when I was a kid. But pulling a holo zard shortly after I was somewhat satisfied. Even the non holo cards have cool artworks and will look good in the slabs

On 5/4/2022 at 7:27 AM, MAR1979 said:

Agreed. PWCC will simply send in professionally trimmed cards that have "fooled industry" experts for 2 decades, until PSA invested millions into purchasing a tech company and their patents, CGC/CSG without the new tech will simply grade them, slab them and send them out.  A win for everyone but those who don't want altered cards. Once day the tech will become common place, the music will stop, then all who purchased trimmed cards will be left holding a worthless CGC/CSG slab. Yeppers pretty simple.

 

P.S. Same too go for older PSA slabs of course those who have questionable cards in terms of alteration have been leaving streaks in their shorts for over a year now

I'm just curious how you know the exact technology that each company has? While it may be news that PSA is just getting this technology now, how do you know that CGC/CSG haven't already been using it? Certified Collectibles Group is a $500,000,000 valued company and you are assuming things about what tech they use. Do you have any proof of cards they graded that are trimmed? If not then your assumption is only that.

On 5/3/2022 at 6:24 PM, revat said:

My sense is this:

He feels like PWCC as a company has a pattern of doing business in an unethical manner.  And as CGC is purposefully and deliberately choosing to enter a partnership with PWCC, CGC is possibly compromising its respectability and/or reputation within the collectible world (if not its' actual ethics), quite possibly compromising the future market for cards graded by CGC.  And as such, he is thankful he has not yet sent his higher end cards to CGC, as he has less faith in the future value of CGC graded cards.

I get where you’re coming from but cgc grading before this is still cgc grading the same after, regardless of who pwcc is. It’s a separate entity/event. You guys can complicate it all you want with this and that conspiracy talk, but it’s pretty simple. 

On 4/29/2022 at 1:25 PM, MAR1979 said:

It means altered and trimmed cards will be slabbed by cgc. This taints all cards in CGC slabs. Now that PSA has tech which can finally detect professional quality trimming , PWCC needed to go elsewhere.

Smart collectors will stick with recent PSA slabs in which chances of a trimmed card is minimal. Note that i said "recent" as yes older PSA and all BGS carry far greater alteration risk. CGG going forward with this arrangement will be infected the highest.

As a new player on Sport Card grading scene this is a death blow to CGC positive perception for anyone who knows what games PWCC plays. Given PSA's new tech thist elevates their perception for many of the hobby's highest spenders.

in short term this will bring CGC bucks and larger bonus for some execs, long haul it dooms their card slabs to low rent status.

 

I don’t think you understand what’s going on. CGC still grades the cards in this setup. With the same grading process. Why would you ever think they would all of the sudden start grading things they wouldn’t grade before?

I don't understand though, how would this negatively affect any comparison to other grading companies if they are also sold through PWCC? (PSA and BGS)

My last 50 card order of bulk I got more than than half 9.5s (green) including 6 pristine 10s. All modern 

On 4/22/2022 at 5:57 PM, I dont have one said:

Once again you can’t read. You think you can use what the cards are going for today in this argument? That’s irrelevant.  If you knew anything at all you’d know last year when these $1 cards as you call them started getting sent in to the TPGs they were getting far more. $25-$50 raw on eBay if they looked good. Well, well over a $100 if they got PSA tens. 1992-93 Upper deck Jordan base card PSA 10 was getting $400. 1992-93 Fleer Ultra Jordan base card PSA 10 was over $300. That Jordan common in the picture was getting $60 as a PSA 9 last year so stop blowing your BS would you please. This is why the graders all got overwhelmed with a flood of cards they couldn’t handle. And no I don’t think they have a “vendetta” against me. Thank you for the humor. I just think they’re grading is a minimum of one grade low in almost all cases. Theres a load of people that agree with me here, on blowout and elsewhere. It ain’t just a couple of us ok? Do you see me on any other message boards complaining about grades given to me by PSA? SGC? HGA? No, you don’t. Because they grade fairly. I just got a 5 card allotment PSA order back and have a 15 card HGA one on the way back now. I’m fine with the majority of my grades on those cards. Im happy with almost none of the CSG grades I got. It’s only this low rent outfit I have an issue with. You see a disconnect there? CSG devalues your cards just so they can try and prove they’re the toughest kid on the block. The verdict is in for me and many others. You won’t convince me otherwise and I’m sure I won’t convince you but I’m fine with that. But as far as CSG goes for me  NEVER AGAIN. And to answer your question yes, you’re the clown. Ok bozo 🤡?

Reasons why your argument is null and void and ridiculous: 

- you’re commenting on overall market fluctuations. That has nothing to do with grading companies. that’s on you for sending it in after the decline, csg wait time on bulk has been like 3 weeks 🤡 
- if you claim that csg graded one grade lower than should be, what do the dozens of people who have that’s same Jordan card in csg 9.5s and 10s, ACTUALLY have? 10.5s and 11s? No obviously your card is just inferior and you can’t accept it. 
-people agree with you because they like easy psa 10s. Csg is strict grading agreed, and that’s because many believe it is a long term play in terms of value.

On 4/22/2022 at 3:12 PM, I dont have one said:

Nooooooooo. Really 🤔? Let’s not play Mickey the dunce ok? We all know what these type cards were getting raw or graded at 9 or above back when they were getting sent in to the TPGs in the first place. Otherwise nobody would have sent them. You think you’re the only one that knows what a common is? Please, go try and fool somebody else with your nonsense. By the way the card pictured is no worse than a 9 anywhere else. At the current prices a PSA 9 isn’t worth much now. So what? That has nothing to do with the argument CSG is under grading and devaluing cards so I digress. Didn’t I just say in that post PSA 8’s aren’t worth much and CSG 8’s are worthless? We already know the PSA 8 is worth nothing now but it sure is a good thing those CSG fanboys that can’t even read the post they quote are here to explain it all to everyone isn’t it? What a 🤡 you are. 

So I'm the clown but you're the one sending in $1 cards to get graded and "flip" for profit. And then coming onto the message boards and whining that your Near Mint card did not get a Gem Mint grade.

Did you even check the pop report for this card? There are 126 graded and 93 scored higher than yours. By the SAME company that you are saying is unfairly grading your cards too harshly. Do you see the flaw in your thinking yet bud? 

(let me guess now you're going to say CSG has a personal vendetta against you)

Either way thanks for the afternoon humor. 

Pretty sure if it's outside available slab dimensions it comes as SA (service unavailable). Got a thick Joe Burrow RPA returned as that

On 4/20/2022 at 4:08 PM, I dont have one said:

Not now. Wouldn’t make sense. I’d be giving them away pretty much for free. Can’t even get a $1.99 starting bid on eBay for these with CSG 8’s on them now that the market cratered. I tried just for laughs. I’d rather light them on fire than let someone come in last minute and buy them for .99 cents.  PSA 8’s aren’t even worth much now and the bottom line is CSG 8’s are totally worthless. I’ll have to hold them and hope some of the fanboys here are right and the value increases a little bit down the line. If I thought I could get even $10-11 and recover half the money I wasted sending them here I’d do it. I’d say 40 of the 50 aren’t worth spending the $ to regrade. The other 10 will go to SGC or HGA. PSA is far too pricey right now for anything but high value stuff. It was a learning experience that cost me $1,000 +. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Not going to happen. 

LOL this same ($1-3 raw) base card isn't worth anything in PSA 8 either. Because it's a cheap base card. 

On 4/18/2022 at 6:16 PM, Southside Cards said:

VERY INTERESTING...I SENT IT A 500 CARD COLLECTION OF MINT,  UNTOUCHED SLICES OF HEAVEN. CSG me like a $2 dollar whore. I say we come together and revolt. Boycott all the grading organizations, they're still using the same method they used in prehistoric ages. Just because "some guy" is a certified card grader doesnt mean a damn thing other than that guy has a strong resume in the card grading industry. And Im sure this post will cause some to lash out at me for being so inconsiderate but come on guys, y'all are smarter than this. Boycott all Sports Card grading and they will collapse. Its that simpe. 

Not sure if trolling or not, but this is comedy gold lmao thank you 

On 4/13/2022 at 9:40 PM, Christian Beato said:

Yea exactly my thoughts. My card should be a 10. Seems like population report. I was so high on CGC but most likely will just send this elsewhere, maybe it'll get treated with some respect.

No, with mine and yours this somehow occurred between the time it was graded and the time we received them back. You can tell because your cert image scan does not have the mark, nor did mine in the image scans.

If you would have submitted back as mechanical error they would have fixed it, not sure what that service rep was talking about maybe they didn't understand

Edit: here is the other topic of this occurrence: 

On 4/12/2022 at 8:37 AM, CGC Mike said:

Hello

Send an e-mail to customer service with the before and after pictures, and request a reholder, as it appears to be just on the slab, and not the card.  They should send you instructions and a shipping label to send the card back to us.  The e-mail Is:

service@cgccards.com

Mike

 

Wouldn't it show up on the certification image then? https://www.cgccards.com/certlookup/4033892002/ 

Either way I had a similar thing happen with 8 in a bulk batch. 6/8 were resolved by reholdering which was great. The remaining 2 cards were sent back reholdered still slightly marked (wouldn't that be qualified for a value reimbursement rather than putting something back into the population that doesn't match grade and cert images?). Thankfully were lower value ones so I didn't care any further at that point.

On 4/7/2022 at 8:53 AM, IrishPrince said:

Original Pokemon Base Set, Jungle, Fossil, and Team Rocket seem to have pretty limited 9.5 Gem Mints. The manufacturing process on these original sets left a lot to be desired. 

Yep and silvering on the edges of Jungle, etc.. my buddy sent in 100 vintage cards and landed 1 of the 2 Scyther Jungle 1st edition holo 9.5s. That and the non holo Scyther were the only 2 9.5s out of the 100

On 4/3/2022 at 1:18 PM, zorloth said:

I'm still holding out hope that CGC goes the CSG route. It's a humungous mistake not to make the gem mint grade exclusively 10, IMO. It's what the market wants. It seems easy enough -- legacy Gem Mint 9.5s can be reslabbed (for a fee) as gem mint 10s, and everything else would remain the same.

Also, where are the vintage English CGC 10s on eBay? I'm seeing almost none being listed. Hell, I'm not even seeing that many 9.5s (outside of non-holos).

Personally I think it is as more of a need for the sports market. Cgc has set their own standard which many people now prefer over PSA. Plus that scale cheapens Pristine 10s into the lower gem 10 category 

Got some waiting for this. I’ve asked on their IG before and they said maybe in the future 

Hopefully they won’t IMO it seems like more of a need in the sports market? Many people like CGCs scale and they have a lot more pristine 10s out there especially with the Japanese cards. New scale kills pristine 10

On 3/25/2022 at 6:01 PM, oluckydayo said:

It could be argued that of the 4 major players right now (BGS, PSA, CSG, SGC) that BGS is falling behind the others slowly as time goes on.

They are grading less cards per month/day, they just finally re-opened an affordable tier a couple of weeks ago.  They have a pretty severe backlog still with an ETA of a few months from now.    And they haven't had an acquisition or influx of investment like PSA/CSG has.

SGC has even overtaken them in many people's opinion as it relates to public perception, resale value, and vintage grading.  

Whether we like it or not, I think the hobby and public have spoken that the BGS method is less preferable than the others.   CSG here has at least found a bit of a of a balance.  Give a 10 Gem Mint that compares with every other company's 10, and also retain the 'Perfect 10' to give a chase grade that is rarely seen.

Fair points when thinking about the big picture. What about CGC though do you think they will eventually move to the new scale also? There are way more cards already graded with them so it’s a bit different

On 3/25/2022 at 5:36 PM, jdmtdcollector said:

I wish they included CSg 10 pristine into consideration and not juast bundling it with gem mint 10. Its very hard to get a CSG 10 and am very proud of my only one with more than 200+ subs. I am disappointed there but will definitely not reholder that and keep the old green label here. Plus, those of us who paid subgrades should not be charged a reholder fee since we paid the extra for subgrades

100% agree with your last statement. I literally just got my recent sub shipped back too, wish they would have given a heads up on this (although if I would have held off then my pristines from that order would have only been gems haha so I guess I’m happy) 
 I feel good to have some pristine 10s though too, def not sending those in as they are clearly superior to any future gem mint 10s of same card. And as time goes on they will be even more rare unless someone happens to land a perfect 10 of said card. Top pop secured  really hope they still keep that category in the pop report and don’t lump them into gem