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The Nameless One
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CGC slabs are a young market. Like, isn't it kind of a fool's errand to think of selling before the population report comes out? Not saying a pop report would magically fix the value problem with CGC 8.5s, but we're kinda gauging the value of our slabs with a blind eye. I don't feel comfortable selling any of my slabs, a CGC 9 Marnie recently sold for $500 cdn... gross. Like, those cards are all 0.5 off from fetching an extra $400+, it's dumb enough to make me want to whip out the "revenge grading" argument. Given that the market values a CGC 9.5 as a potential PSA 10, a 9 is more realistically where it drops off. I feel like my 9 Marnie's could potentially snag a PSA 10 but you get trapped in it not being worth the $150 per card gamble.
For the record, my 48 card submission contained 0 8.5s. Fair amount of 9.5s relative to 9s, but none of my $$$ cards came back 9.5. In general, given that these are modern cards, I'll want to wait until the sets are out of print at the very least. The market is cold at the moment, we might see a spike during the celebrations release but I'm not expecting to sell anything for a while. Too many factors holding the market back
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On 9/18/2021 at 8:17 AM, joe_signs said:
It is not about rationale; rather, it is about profit and marketing. They know people are willing to pay for the comfort of knowing why their card was graded a 9. It is kind of mean when you think about it. We pay them to grade the card and then they extort more money if we want to know why the card was given a certain grade. As if paying them for a quality evaluation and waiting a year isn't enough.
RANT: Plus, there is an argument to be made that sub-grades could go as far to detract value given that people (read: this particular market) love their 10s and if your card doesn't grade a 10 you have not just one 9 but, like, four sub-9s to scare people off further. I fully regret purchasing subgrades after looking at my grading. No 10s, just a smattering of 9s and 9.5s for pack fresh cards so, like, what's the point of gambling on manufacturing deficiencies? It's not like those grades speak of anything regarding the life those cards have had, if anything, because I'm weird, an 8.5 or lower would be more attractive to me because at least those cards saw some use beyond capitalistic gains *cough*. Especially 2020-era Pokemon which is notorious for not being 100% on their manufacturing game, those 9s I received on my Marnie's slashed an easy $400-600 off what people will be willing to pay, plus Shiny Star V got a reprint which drove her value down :(. I don't think the market will ever mature to the point of a CGC 9 being worthy as a possible PSA 10 contender, the logic just doesn't compute because you need to factor in people needing to crack the cases and submit to PSA in order to get the grade you want, so that's an automatic -$150 from a potential CGC sale because sale listings always compare grades with PSA's metric. Maybe things will be more clear when the population report comes out, but even then you have to factor in the business and it's faults in general... like, look at Evolutions XY Charizard... PSA 10s are rare because... manufacturing... a 9 compared to a 10 is like, what, 300 bucks compared to 1500+? Given that this stuff is all unregulated, it's all... literally gambling, just with all of these stop gaps in between to remove that pretense. And the house, that being The Pokemon Company who can't properly print cards, always wins because they don't gain or lose money based on those defects. A booster box sells for a booster box... so, invest in sealed product! Opening packs is a huge mistake!
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On 9/18/2021 at 7:51 AM, HomeGrownPoke1 said:
Shipped 9/20/21? Are you in the future? Lol
A firm yes on that question, but past present future shenanigans aside I feel like this is just them entering the shipping data in the system and the physical package will get to Fedex on the 20th after the weekend passes. I thought that was funny too, CGC so quirky
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48 card economy submission
Recieved: 4/1/21
Shipped: 9/20/21
Woo hoo! Time to flip some Marnies!
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My order got put into Grading/QC when it was time to charge my account, now my account is charged and despite word from their accountant nothing seems to have shipped yet... Seriously, this company has the WORST transparency with it's customers... ever. This entire experience has been a complete joke, collecting is a huge mistake
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6 hours ago, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:
*snip*
Cool, it's a casually racist gif. What a cool place, America. Florida will be an island in ten years and your country is the laughing stock of the world. Enjoy!
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30 minutes ago, thehumantorch said:
Or you sign up for one of the free online sites, look at a few banner ads and leave the dark webs for the dirty spiders....
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1 minute ago, thehumantorch said:
How you feel about bidding won't help. A lot of people bid at the last minute to hide their interest, avoid being shilled by the seller, and to give competing bidders a chance to raise their bid. I'd suggest you use one of the free online sniping tools. Be the sniper not the snipee
Hackermannnnn, load up my VPN and sneak into the dark webs to secure my elite pokerman software so I can enter the cutthroat world of Ebay bidding, awesome
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3 hours ago, Toybot said:
Also on Ebay Sniping- That's how the game is man. I'm not gonna disagree that you're idea makes sense, but until you can get Ebay to change that, you must accept that this is how it is currently functioning and take actions in conjunction.
I set an alarm for the next bid so I am ready for the 10 second showdown. Honestly, I don't even know why anyone bids before 10 seconds anyway unless they know they can't make the showdown and just brute force the auction with high bids.
I had to brute force a couple auctions and not a big fan since I ended up overpaying what I know I would have paid had I Sniped the auction.
It would probably need to be a competing service, if Ebay has been doing the silent auction thing for this long then who knows. I do know of auction house platforms but nothing on the scale of Ebay. My idea would be for sellers to list a time of auction, people can lock their seats in, and when the auction occurs people go wild for a couple minutes before "going once, going twice... SOLD". Both systems have their flaws, I'd probably end up paying more at a live auction when I think about it, but at least then I can submit knowing that someone beat me fair and square and doesn't have some kind of "snipe bot" or something lmao
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1 minute ago, Toybot said:
How do you feel about Japanese Ancient Mews? I think Ancient Mew might be one of the most under-rated cards. It's still one of a handful of Full Holo F/B. While picking up my banned cards, I picked up a few "Nintedo" ones too.
Ancient Mew might be my favorite Poke Card period.
I love Ancient Mew to the point where I've considered buying a hoodie with that card printed all over it. Market-wise, the cards are fascinating outliers where people hound the errors and swirl patterns which emerge as opposed to the whole scarcity thing, it's cool that each card is so unique. I can see this card being a fun one to have several copies of for comparative purposes. I honestly haven't looked into the Japanese variant until now, I love the sparkly holo pattern, that's unique in itself.
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Just now, Mephisto said:
Most auctions see the biggest action in the last few seconds. Throw your max bid in a snipping program and let it do the work.
Duly noted, thanks for the advice!
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1 hour ago, Mephisto said:
So then why didn’t you bid $100 more in the first place?
Because I'm a greedy goblin and played a tight margin. I mean, no one touched my bid for two days so I thought I had it covered. I feel like if someone bids at the last second there should be a function which increases the bid time by 20 seconds or whatever. I'm willing to fight but when it comes to raising the bar early it's hard to gauge what exactly I'm willing to pay, especially when I could walk away with a lower price. I'd rather walk the price up as opposed to throw a hail mary in a business transaction, and that's not to say I don't get sniped at the last second regardless. There's no gauge of who wants it more, it seems predicated on luck
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8 minutes ago, apcoleman said:
If you know anything about grading, the demand is insane right now and expect the unexpected. I am sure CGC is not sitting around eating hotdogs while they stare at your box of cards
I did my research and the company was perfectly fine with not communicating this prior to sending my cards in. I'm sure it's all kinds of alligator soup going on over there
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Why is Ebay so bad!? I lost the Japanese Mew straight up, but that promo Mew... I got sniped at the last second and, by golly, I would've paid more (and tried to). Where's the option to extend the bid? Seems like a defunct bidding platform, the seller loses potential money with this nonsense. I would've paid 100 more for that card, what a scam
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These boards are a mess, nothing but "where's my package" with slivers of actual enthusiasm towards the hobby
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On 3/22/2021 at 9:17 PM, TrayKnight said:
I agree, it's not a free meal and you are paying for it....but it is their house. You're coming into their house (their site), sitting on their couch (their message boards) and complaining about their service.... I'm pretty sure that someone with CGC see these different topics and also the person that starts them.....it can't be good from a business standpoint when members are posting these topics on their site.
Since when is a business a house? Yeesh, it's like my "friends" jumped me, took my wallet, and sicced their little yapping dog on me before telling me that I can get my wallet back in 5 months if I stay in their disgusting closet, as if I have a choice with all this duct tape.
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34 minutes ago, jordi1987 said:
Hello i am new to cards and just received boxes of pocket monster Pokémon cards and cant find info on them just wondering if they are worth anything
Those are familiar to me from back in the day, cool find.
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8 minutes ago, bubbles520 said:
The back of the pika looks twisted. Not sure if that counts towards centering.
The zard, to me, has a twisted back. I see a thin top + left on the pika's back. I prefer the centering on the pika in my eyes, NA cards and their wonky cuts...
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On 3/24/2021 at 11:48 AM, ShiningCollectibles said:
It really just depends what people are willing to pay. A card that sells for 600 bucks one day might sell for 100 the next... Example I just bought a light arcanine 1st edition for 900 psa 8 it was under 600 last week next week it could be 300 but I don't care because I got it. There really should be a designated middle man service for online trades instead of ebay so you don't have to get taxed. A designated trading service where you put up offers, send them to the trusted middle man service that you pay per trade or for membership, than the middleman accepts / sends after middleman verifies trade with owners of acceptance. That way it's considered a trade and you aren't getting double taxed for buying and selling cards...
What are your feelings on Leonhart's Rare Candy service he was shilling the other day? That sounds like a step in the right direction
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The Marnie market is cooling off! Everyone and their mums are flippin Marnies! Charizard has taken her place! It's wild! I guess we'll see when Shiny Star V goes out of print. I'll be removing prices from previous cards, this stuff needs live tracking
I decided to go all in bidding on my two holy grail purchases:
The English promo I'm bidding on is graded respectfully. The Japanese Fossil Mew is raw with signs of it being pack fresh, never played, all that good stuff.
I find these two to be a fascinating comparison in regards to rarity. Really, you can still find Japanese Fossil packs and pull a fresh Mew. Is that possible with the pokemon league obtained promo? One of my dad's students who worked the pokemon league at the time offered me the English Mew when I was 11, nothing can touch the sentimental feelings I have for that card, but which card is more difficult to obtain in good condition? Realistically, if you see a promo Mew on the market it travelled 21 years to get here. Remarkable. Don't let the seller know but I'd pay... a lot more for that card in the condition it is being offered. The Japanese Mew is simply my "best of the best" as opposed to my "favorite", I'm taking a gamble with it's condition and plan on getting it graded. If it gets a 10 or something ridiculous that's a big gain, not that I would sell it, but that's some insight on potential market gains people shoot for. Honestly, if someone outbids my current standing with the Japanese card I will back off, there's only so much I'm willing to gamble on a few pictures and a description. I'll bid up on the promo
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1 hour ago, thehumantorch said:
Is there a website that tracks the sales of cards? For comics there are several including GPA which charges a monthly fee.
There isn't what I would consider to be a good one, pricing is all over the place because you got raw prices mixed with whatever slabs are going for. Lots of math, and website tabs, required at this point. Hard to be exact. Squeaks Game World just released a video on the potential "bubble" of the pokemon market and how he gauges buyer and seller interest with google search statistics. That tells me we have a lot of work to do in order to flesh out this market, technology-wise. We reached an unprecedented peak of interest in pokemon cards so I imagine we're going to see a lot of development in the near future.
Personally, my mind is shifting away from this whole selling mess and thinking more trading card for card. There is an established pokemon card forum, pokebeach, which I plan on diving into when my cards return. Ebay is a bit... cold
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On 3/22/2021 at 1:01 PM, Deha88 said:
I’m just curious how the Canadian market is 2-5x higher than the US market.
I try to get the best approximation of a card's value relative to recently sold listings, sometimes I cannot find a recently sold CGC slab and have to price based on PSA or Beckett. It's all HUGE grain of salt, I'm relatively new to the evaluation process
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1 minute ago, Angel of Death said:
I love how they try to use the "waiting in line" analogy, but refuse to acknowledge the VIP tickets.
It's no surprise how they're confused.
Who are you talking to?
Market Equilibrium Reached
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It's a tricky situation but one I want to explore further. Personally, I'm not unhappy with my grades, I'm proud of the fact that I managed to send in 9 and 9.5 quality cards, from what I have gathered I did relatively well. I think we need to shift blame to the market itself which is, in this current incarnation, young when it comes to collecting. That transition from niche to mainstream creates a patch of market turbulence because, well, we have tons of fresh collectors getting into the game... and fresh grading services. This period of expansion has created a very volatile market, I'm tucking away my liquid assets for 5 years before thinking of selling. We don't even have a pop report! People are just winging it at this point, and Ebay is a monster - I hope this expansion leads to stronger tools to sell on the secondary market. Our selling/market standards are outdated, and this leads to blaming the grading and whatnot, especially with modern Marnie flippers who want to make a quick turnaround off their pack fresh graded hits and running into the great gamble that is manufacturing quality control. Like, I honestly think the market is kinda dumb because people value a card which was magically cut to perfection as opposed to a collectable with a story to it. It's so soulless this 10 fetishism, like, oh no my Marnie got 1mm of edging on the centering whatever, why does that impact the value so severely? I understand feeling salty about landing your card in high value tiers, but it's a grading company's job to be transparent about that 1mm edging on the centering. You just need to get lucky I guess, and that's the unspoken reality of selling graded cards - it's the rarity of the card along with the rarity of perfect manufacturing. Some cards are so flawed in their manufacturing run that a perfect card is a holy grail. Personally, I hope the market begins to lean towards sheer rarity of card as opposed to the rarity of manufacturing perfection. Like, what's special about a minty copy of Super Mario Bros found underneath some Toys R Us shelf relative to one which was enjoyed properly? Yes, given that so many people enjoyed the game as opposed to hoarding copies in their basement like goblins, one leans more scarce than the other. I just find it funny that I can go to my local used game store, grab a cart of Super Mario Bros and a NES for 150 bucks, play it and whatever, and people are spending millions on vault pieces. Form and functionality...