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yes I agree. Aside from the overseas pence copies Im not sure ANY DCs or Marvels ever went back on press except for a rare high demand instance. But in the 60s, it took DC etc MONTHS to find out whether a comic book had experienced sellouts or high demand. The disturbs had to report back to them on sell through results. Therefore 2nd printings were rare.

Also, it’s incorrect to say that the yellow and blue inks “made”green ink. There is NO green ink. Just the illusion of green due to tiny dots of blue and yellow very close together reading to our eyes like green.

Yes... there’s still yellow ink present, so you can’t say it an error “missing yellow ink”! Either it’s faded, or was not printed up to strength, but it’s so far off they wouldn’t have shipped these as they would likely have been early in the run and pulled as per usual til the inks were all balanced and ready to go.

As for the Avengers covers, the black spot on some copies but not others really just looked like a piece of something that got on the black plate, took on black ink, and dropped a mark for as long as it stayed there until it fell off (stuck to) onto one of the covers. Once it was gone — no more black marks! also James Jameson to my ears knows what he’s talking about. Printing comics and distributing them wasn’t rocket science... these sold for a dime! Who cared how they printed. Many were over printed for various reasons back then, and when they were returned to the distribs, or never ordered by stores and newsstands they piled up crating what we now know as warehouse finds. ( though I believe it was more like since comics were returnable, the sellers did not actually order or decide how many they received because they were selling them but only charged for how many sold! Newsstands didn’t buy the magazines they sold. They were taken back when the trucks brought the new books... taken to storage and forgotten, but rarely tossed into the garbage. This was way before recycling too.

This one is easy. The difference between the two background purples is that the second one was printed in the run with more cyan/blue ink. Each ink varies in intensity during a press run. The purple black round they were shooting for was correctly printed in the bottom image. It’s made of equal percentages of magenta and cyan. Probably 100% of each. but in the first example the cyan plate was under inked as often happens early and late in a run until the press men get all the inks in the proper balance. Look at the people on the bottom and you see in the more purple cover that their faces are a much deeper blue in the darker areas lime the right side of the guys face in lower right corner. you can also see how the green was affected by more blue ink. Green is achieved from yellow and cyan inks. Finally, take a look at the pink/magenta areas like the edges of the burst around the green figure. They are actually a deeper red in the first cover, signifying that on these covers, one was low cyan but had extra magenta, while the other was the other way around, causing the huge disparity in background color...

Interesting.. I looked at my copy and it has a March 14th date stamp! 2 weeks later .. I thought all the books shipped and arrived same week even in the early sixties. Who's going to volunteer to explore arrival dates??

Basically a comic Pedigree began as a way for dealers and collectors to describe a bunch of books entering the market that had an overall special quality to each book. As they showed up at dealers booths at conventions — long before the internet — collectors bought them on sight for their high grade freshness. Often the books in the early pedigree collections were spectacularly pristine. (Nor each and every book... but overall a book from that pedigree was special.... nd highly sought after.) word spread each time, and each collection was given a name that allowed other collectors to seek them out. This is how the concept of a Pedigree collection began. In the Internet/CGC era, all the bets existing pedigrees were grandfathered in and get note son the labels. But, since CGC, it has been up to them to bestow Pedigree status to new collections that have surfaced. dealers and Owners can still call new collections by unique names, as a marketing ploy, but only CGC decides if the books are “label worthy.” just go go out and pick up the Big Pedigree Book that describes in detail every major Pedigree, with lists , backstories and pictures ! Oh wait, it’s still a work in progress. Never mind. Lol

I read Howlings "undervalued" term as applied to over the previous 25 years. We all knew it was a minor Aquaman key, but never rose above 1000 in HG and lower grade copies weren't being sought after except as run fillers. No one thinks its "undervalued" anymore since the movie hype singled it out.

The movie books don’t rally crash, but get a soft landing at a higher level than before the hype. So buying too late hurts every time as the move has already happened. But the books hold most of the value. Silver age with relative scarcity in grade anyway.

Do I dare? I’ve read some of my old posts... it’s weird cause while the opinions sound familiar, im thinking, who is this guy?

Yeah. The kudos to Bob was missing from the first post. Glad it’s all out there. AGAIN.

HAha. I was posting a lot more back then! What did I say?

Thanx. People, learned or cranks are always “predicting” market swings. And we all do our best to separate the crazy from the reality. Money managers, the media, your uncle, shoeshine boys, we all have to sift through it and make up our own minds. Vintage is smart and savvy, but claim8ng to have called the crash is to me over the line. Even if he sold all investment assets at the peak, which would make a compelling case of putting ones (ets) on the line for ones beliefs, it could just as easily been months or years premature to the actual blooodletting.

Ok whatever, Nostradamus! So when is the next crash? Or was that a one time thing you knew was coming? And I love the part where he knew since 2004 it was coming. —- 4 years later. I go around every day for years now saying a big correction is coming ... I suppose I’ll get some satisfaction saying “I knew it!” too, Guess that will make me feel good .

Yeah. Obvious in 2009,,,

I switched brokers about 12 years ago. I gave him some money as a test, and mentioned there was more, and that I had always bought comics, not stocks, which had turned out pretty well for me. The look on his face was one of pity. I can still feel it. but fast forward over the years since, and he now asks ME about my comics, with even a touch of envy. Feel pretty pretty good. of course, I’m a Boomer and bought my good stuff many years ago. At laughable prices compared to today. But I’ve done the math on all the most valuable books, and there are a lot of books I bought easily 20-30years ago for hundreds and maybe a thousand each that, just like the 8.5 Action 1, are worth only say 40-100% more than I paid for them (before expenses and fees) that add up to a return comparable to bonds and treasuries. Good thing I also bought the blue chips in grade. In the end though even these, if they don’t continue to increase in value will, as the years pile up, end up as more modest “investments” as the denominator (years) hollows out the gains %wise. btw, the broker has done very well. But then again, the markets gets a lot of the credit. He got burned and had no answers back in 2008 like everyone else.

Hey, didn’t you sell sale through Bob Storms for 55K on an AF15 5.0 sometimes back last fall? Can’t remember if anyone mentioned it yet.

Apples to oranges. The discussion between ADV260and SC30 is between two vintage comics suddenly hot dues to movie hype. But interest in both comics is very different from hobby speculation on any current modern comic considered TO BE HISTORIC (and valuable) in the future! These usually end badly! Whichever Aquaman book loses out as first SA issue won’t be worth fifty cents like Death of Superman is now... the correct parallel is first Sgt Rock, or first Teen Titans. Or first SA Wonder Woman. Between two vintage issues not released as a speculation buy in the last 30years! It’s en to existing SA stories published in a time before modern speculation where one book is long considered THE BOOK ONLY TO SEE 8NTEREST IN ANOTHER ISSUE ECLIPSE IT by fans.

thats the question. Sure, buying online is buying online. but we are a much smaller crowd than the usual Amazon customer. And buying vintage comics is far more selective than a mass produced widget, toaster or pillow etc etc etc. SO that why I think for Bob's customers deserve if not EXPECT an allowance for comics as a specialty item requires a more forgiving approach similar to what his analog customers at conventions expect when they signal an interest in a book. don't forget that 99% of online items are available from multiple sources and sites. They can sell out, but also be restocked. Not so for comics which may not show up again for awhile. Bob COULD maintain buy it or lose it approach... but -- buy asking here -- sounds like he wants a more personable or forgiving method.. so I think Bib is seeking a digital way to replicate customers calling him to inquire and reserve a book, which is time consuming...

id say that buying comics is somewhat different than the products its been compared to in this thread. To me the analogy is what happens at a convention, If someone is standing at a booth holding a comic, its "his" until he passes on it. So online, if its in someones cart, "buyer 1" has still got dibs on it. However, how to prevent "buyers" from holding books they will never actually buy? Thats the question here. Perhaps a specific WARNING when adding books to their cart that states the specific HOLDING period, say 24 hours. After that it automatically goes back in circulation. (with a record for the Buyer 1 to link back to it to facilitate the sale should he want to...) In addition, the books stays listed on the site as for sale, but with a badge that says "In a Cart" or something, or "ON HOLD"... and allow others to "INQUIRE". Bob gets alerted that someone is interested in buying it now (at listed price). Bob then contacts the HOLDER to poop or get off the pot. This works out for Bob, AND pleases everyone, and sounds fair. Also, set a limit that no one can add same book to his cart more than twice within 30 days or the can tie a book up indefinitely.... Just costs Bob a few big bucks in coding expenses!

There’s no question in my mind that comics values and the awareness and respect for comics has grown tremendous,y in the past 15 years. So it’s a straw man argumen5 to c9mpare it to fine art and antiques. Comics will never be for everyone. To the old money types who gravitate to paintings, artworks and antiques comicbooks and superheroes are childish things. But there are plenty of people - and the n7mbers have grown! - for whom awareness has exponentially grown of late, and that’s fine, we see new collectors willin* yo pony up interesting sums for the books they covet. The question shouldn’t be whether awareness has increased. That’s a given. It’s wher do things go from here? and this is the age old question here on the boards. Most of us who have been collecting for decades appreciate the gains made in awareness respect and valuse of our stuff,, but still see a cloudy future due to economic and demographic trends. And I suppose, given the question posed in this thread, that since comics have not yet elevated themselves into the “real money” crowd, whether they are doomed to rise and fall into obscurity someday relatively soon.

Wow. How jaded have we become that a 2M sale gets a handfull of comments. Sure going close to or over 3M — had it happened — would have made this sale a true marker of continued unlimited upper price appreciation (and induced AF15 2017 levels of hysteria). Instead we have crickets here, nothing to see, move on gents.

Looks like they added a day. Closes tomorrow night now.

Yeah, but not much of a market to corner if you're the only guy buying comics at the 2M price point. Who are you going to sell to?

Seems to me that if Metro had a contract stating the deal they made with Voldy for x$ per book for x# of books, the end result will be a settlement of some more graded books, or cash. Beckett will be forced to honor such a deal, if validly recorded (harder if it was just a handshake with SB early on). And if the previous owner took steps to evade the existing deal, he may be liable, either directly or forced to pay it out of his deal with Becket. all the rest is the usual Internet blather based on guesses and opinions like this post.