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What does it look like with subgrades? Holy hell thats going to be a mess.

On 8/19/2021 at 3:11 PM, KBost33 said:

Best thing about this thread, I figured out how to ignore  N1seen..... THIS IS FANTASTIC thread for me!! 

Congrats and welcome to the land of "You've chosen to ignore content by ne1seenmykeys". It's nice here.

On 8/11/2021 at 12:33 PM, JWBlue said:

Above the glove there is some round circle. Every one of these cards has it. If every card has it would it affect the grade?

Above the glove there is some round circle. Every one of these cards has it. If every card has it would it affect the grade?  Would the grader need to be aware of it to ignore it?  

https://www.ebay.com/itm/154562695817?hash=item23fca79289:g:0rQAAOSwy9pg2MdY

If the card grades a 10, how much is it worth? IMHO that card should not be graded until Trea makes the hall of fame. To each his own I guess, if its for pc, then go ahead. but it sounds like you want to grade quantity and you will probably lose money.

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On 8/3/2021 at 8:45 AM, jdmtdcollector said:

sent 8 relic cards to them and though happy with the grades, pretty disappointed in that there are so much movement in the cards :-(, did anyone else had this issue with SGC?

Not only will I not grade with them, I won't ever purchase another SGC slab again. check out my video.

Link to my video about SGC grading if anyone wants to check it out. 

2 hours ago, MojoMorgan said:

These are cards I just got back from CSG.  I was only disappointed by the Penny Hardaway card.  I missed this soft top left corner somehow.  Also, the Iverson label is missing the part about this being the silver Reebok parallel.  CSG is currently reviewing this now in the hope they'll send me a label to have this shipped back and fixed.  All in all, I like CSG.

I waited a month for that review and had to call and they sent me the label. Stay on top of it, they arent reviewing anything.

On 7/21/2021 at 1:03 AM, Drewbone said:

I was doing some research and I came to the conclusion that it really doesn't add to the value that much, but I was wondering what you guys would think / what experiences you've had or if you've seen otherwise.

def get subs on the higher end cards. I think it all comes down to what you are grading. dont pay 25 to grade a card worth 10 bucks if that makes sense. I have been buying CSG slabs with subgrades for under $10, dont be the guy giving away his money.

30 minutes ago, KBost33 said:

CSG has GOT to do better on following what is on the sheet we send in. 3 Errors in one order. I had these all entered correctly on the sheet, and in system. Can't have errors like this.

CSG current policy is to not post pics, and grades until they are in shipped stage(tracker number printed), which doesn't give us time to check the slabs to make sure the cards are done correctly.  

Cards where shipped to me 7/22 still haven't got them, and now I will have to send these back to get new correct slabs. When grades are this tough, wrong labels cost time and money.  

ALSO- My concern is these are supposed to be EXPERIENCED graders, cards take FOREVER in the GRADING/ENCAPUSLATING/Imaging stage, is NO ONE double checking for quality control?? I can understand 1 error, but come one. 3? Not like they haven't seen a ton of Rainbow Foil, and Heritage Action cards... even says action on back of the card... are they not actually looking at the cards?   Come on CSG, pick it up. 

 

I had to send back 1 out of 9 on my 1st order and same thing. I had it right on the sheet and they ignored it. they also ignored the back of the card which also says what set it is from.

1 hour ago, Mrtombs said:

Got my first 50 card bulk order back today, all basketball from 1990-2020.

1 pristine 10

22 9.5

23 9

2 8.5

1 8

and 1 5.5

all grades look accurate, i just cant believe i missed the surface issues on the 5.5.

Congrats on the 10! Lol at the 5.5, this will happen, looks like you caught most everything else. Show that 10!

Bulk order sent 3/30 Received 6/7 Scheduled for grading(sometime this month)? 60 Day TAT

Bulk order sent 4/26 Received 7/26 Scheduled for grading(immediately) 60 Day TAT(might've been 90, this was right when psa closed)

for anybody wondering about their cards or thinking about sending in. This is what I'm working with. Also working on another bulk order for what its worth. TAT not the most important thing to me, and by no means does this mean take your time with my junk CSG. I want my babies back!

Can also get them at Party City if you werent aware. 

Hobby lobby just started carrying cards recently. Call your local store and find out.

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It's going to be fun when they eventually release a population report.  I'd expect you're going to have roughly 51 of 51 Donruss 88 cards in the registry.

I dont care who you are, that right there is funny! And dang you for making me check my bulks to see if I put an 88 Donruss in there! Glavine maybe but it wouldve had to have been perfect in every way.

I am only using CSG for pc cards. I want my slabs to be uniform and look alike. Like Ashky said, the slabs are beautiful and the cost is the lowest around right now. I would take it a step further though and suggest that you do your own slab research and see what you prefer. Buy a slab from each company and compare the quality and what appeals to you. I would not even consider sending a card for my pc or to display to PSA(resell is different). I cant stand the way the cards slide around in the psa slabs and they feel and look cheap to me. IMO BGS and CSG slabs are the best quality and look the best for display. I have voiced my opinion on SGC around these boards and I would stay away from them for pc(which is a shame because I like the black border, I just don't like the way cards can get stuck behind or damaged from the same border). If you have not held a CSG slab in your hand, you really need to. You think you like it now, but wait'll you drive it.

huh? the cost of grading the card is what they are going to charge you and the swings the card will incur while sitting in a warehouse for months. The value of your ungraded card is its raw value. the potential value is expected ROI(return on investment) after grading. 

Ace Hardware now selling cards. The end is near.

Seems like easy math if all you want to do is sell. But without knowing your intentions or financial situation, not much advice to give. If you need the money then sell. Gotta consider the chance that they dont gem.

On 6/25/2021 at 6:44 PM, RKeyworth18 said:

Good Evening,

 

I am new to the grading community as you probably can figure out yourselves based on the headline. I have a lot of cards auto and vintage (from my father prior to 90's) so my question is extremely simple.How do know what to get graded and what not to get graded? For example I have some cards of current "stars" in baseball that are not graded auto's but I also have vintage things that are not autos so I'm curious as to how to determine what to send in first while on a budget.

 

All the Best,

 

R.K.

Take a pile of 50 cards. this is going to take time. but you need to know the values of the cards. I go buy what it costs to grade the card. Right now for bulk it is $12, double that and you now have a minimal raw price point of $25($44 with subs)for your cards to even be considered for grading. This should keep you from wasting money and grading cards that will not resell for enough to justify the price or any price swings you will incur while they are sitting in a warehouse. So now we use the minimal price point to compare what the card sells for raw( which you could save a bunch of time and effort selling raw if it is not worth it to grade the card in the first place). Now start going through your stack of 50 cards. First thing is price point. Second thing is centering. If the card is off center, it doesnt get sent. If it is centered, put it in a second pile for later. your discard pile should grow a lot faster than your grading pile. after your first go through, take the grading pile and now pull the cards out of sleeves and hold them under a light to check surface and corners. I am very picky and will not grade cards with one bad corner(unless value determines it, or vintage) I would also suggest buying a jeweler's loupe to examine surface(cheap on amazon). The graders are going to look under magnification so you should too. Out of 50 cards using this process, you should end up with 10 or less cards in your grading pile. There is a lot more to consider when grading vintage cards and the values are higher so most vintage should be graded if you know its authentic and hasn't been tampered with. If you are grading for your own pc, then grade whatever you want protected and authenticated. This is my own dumb little system that I use and it seems to be working, figure out what works best for you and remember to enjoy the hobby. 

I use that double the grading cost and compare to raw price because the resale value of these slabs is just not there yet and it is going to take a long time to get there. I only send eye appeal vintage or cards that imo will gem. If you are going to try and flip CSG slabs right now, you have to realize that you are probably going to get raw or less than raw prices(depending on the grade).

27 minutes ago, Pachuli420 said:

Hi my name is wesley lanning, I sent in a bulk sub on April 26th. Well a couple weeks ago, the website was showing that my cards had arrived and it was showing the order number and stuff, well I check every morning and now even that info is gone, and when I push track. It just tells me they haven't received abetting from me on the last 2 months

Best advice I can give you is check once a week or less. They are very slow and your cards will not be logged for probably another month or longer. Just a quality of life suggestion, not being a debbie downer or trying to put them down. It is what it is and its the same all over. You can get your cards back faster with an unknown garage grader or wait for a better service.

4 hours ago, jdmtdcollector said:

exactly. now, you have to have two categories for PSA slabs if you're a collector. old standard to new standard slabs. You ahve to ask a  question is this really gem mint? Do I resubmit? DO I pay the PSA 10 price? This again brings into the value of subgrades. Why I love subgrades. It tells you how the grade is reached at not just a number that you trust the so called experts agree to. Its very convenient when they tell you how they arrive at that number and not have to try and figure it out.

There is no way to turn that PSA favoritism around in this hobby environment. Everyone and their mother is more worried about TATs and ROI than actually getting accurate grading. If one company starts giving out more 10s(SGC right now, PSA before) you will see an uptick in their business. SGC is also getting a bump from quick TATs. Do the people grading with them care if the card is given an inaccurate grade or put into a cheaper holder? No, because their intention is to sell it as quickly and for as much profit as possible. In the long run, I am hoping that CSG will gain traction being a respected company and sticking to their standards. The flippers will disappear after bad decisions catch up with them or the credit card bills and tougher grades will be desired by discerning collectors.

5 hours ago, NicholePer said:

Thank you for your question. If it has a CSG label, you can resubmitted through a ReHolder and through the list of services add the subgrade option. Here is a price list for all services. https://www.csgcards.com/submit/services-fees/csg/

That's not what Customer Service told me. I was told I would have to re submit it as if it were raw and pay the full tier price plus subgrades. Their reasoning was that it had to be regraded if you want to add subgrades. better check your info. Which is BS anyways because I was told when I sent the original sub that I would have the option to add subgrades, then they changed their minds about that. As much as I like the slabs, this company sucks.

SGC slab seems like the cheapest of the cheap chinese doodoo. One size fits all with the "tuxedo" to hold it in place. No thank you.

Subbing it bulk? $100. Just put the max of whatever tier your subbing it at.

On 7/18/2021 at 4:11 AM, KLWalden said:

3 cards

mid March 

have been billed — over billed - credited— billed again

schd for grading since mid June

still nothing

CSG is a monkey f—ing a football right now 

Love that saying. First time I heard it was at the dog track. Buddy wins a trifecta and loses money. He said, "I've paid a dollar to watch a monkey fk a football, but I ain't never paid no dollar to watch a football fk a monkey".

34 minutes ago, Andrew ER said:

In your message from June 2, you were processing orders received April 5th.  Today is June 21 and the Services and Fees page still says processing April 5th.  Is that accurate?

Accurate, that is the week that PSA shutdown. I wouldn't expect that to move for another month