MCJ Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 My Twin Cities copy (#85) is fairly bright, too. Never a bad thing I agonized for hours over submitting a bid over $260 on the #102 given that I'd lost out 3 times in a row on anything higher grade, and decided against it. It would have been a futile effort as it turns out . Oy! Time to keep my powder dry, as it were, and sell some items to build up a war chest for the chance that another nice book comes along. There's always something...A high grade copy of #83 or a mid grade copy of AF #15 are effectively off the table for me until at least next year (If ever). Then there's that nagging urge to join the Avengers #1 & #4 club. If I can't afford to go blue, go purple? Bah, humbug! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCJ Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 The PLOD 9.2 copy of #85 apparently went unsold after 6 months on ComicLink, even though it was only listed for $3000. I flirted with the idea of buying that one and having the color touch removed, but that would have been a risky proposition. Well, I think I know where the restored 9.2 copy of #85 went: The infamous bijoubaby appears to have cracked the slab and is now marketing it as a 9.6 on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120737557453&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_500wt_1020 I like this disclaimer: "Returns are accepted if I've significantly misrepresented the item." Representing a PLOD 9.2 as an admittedly color touched 9.6 counts, doesn't it? Sigh. I applaud those of you (trmoore54 for example) that proactively buy the PLODs to keep them out of the hands of sellers like this one. I sent this message via eBay: "This appears to be the same color touched 9.2 that went unsold on Comiclink. Will you include the CGC label for the buyer, to maintain the accuracy of the census? The auction title is misleading, to say the least. You might want to change it to mention it's a PLOD..." bijoubaby's response: I already mention that there is color touch on the cover in the auction's description so I don't need to change anything. - bijoubaby05 He doesn't deny the copy's origin. If a few people begin to believe the listing, this could get ugly...He might get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasingKingKirby Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 The PLOD 9.2 copy of #85 apparently went unsold after 6 months on ComicLink, even though it was only listed for $3000. I flirted with the idea of buying that one and having the color touch removed, but that would have been a risky proposition. Well, I think I know where the restored 9.2 copy of #85 went: The infamous bijoubaby appears to have cracked the slab and is now marketing it as a 9.6 on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120737557453&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_500wt_1020 I like this disclaimer: "Returns are accepted if I've significantly misrepresented the item." Representing a PLOD 9.2 as an admittedly color touched 9.6 counts, doesn't it? Sigh. I applaud those of you (trmoore54 for example) that proactively buy the PLODs to keep them out of the hands of sellers like this one. I sent this message via eBay: "This appears to be the same color touched 9.2 that went unsold on Comiclink. Will you include the CGC label for the buyer, to maintain the accuracy of the census? The auction title is misleading, to say the least. You might want to change it to mention it's a PLOD..." bijoubaby's response: I already mention that there is color touch on the cover in the auction's description so I don't need to change anything. - bijoubaby05 He doesn't deny the copy's origin. If a few people begin to believe the listing, this could get ugly...He might get away with it. I just sent him a message as well... Jerk is barely literate and obviously trying to screw someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCJ Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Unfortunately, eBay seems ambivalent about bijoubaby's efforts to deceive buyers...Sigh. Meanwhile on to happier things. Is anyone else drooling over the copy of JIM #83 in the current Comiclink auction? JIM #83 7.5 white pages I should hold out for a higher grade copy. The kind that make me look at my car and consider selling it... Bob Storms has (2) 8.0 copies that almost bring a tear to my eye. Too bad we're not born with 4 kidneys... JIM 83 8.0 ow pages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 1 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 My new raw addition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCJ Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 My new raw addition Your copy's nicer than mine. Although Kirby's art was very dynamic as usual (nice touch having the soldier loading the mortar backwards in the heat of battle), I had mixed feelings about this issue when I first read it, around the time the first Iraq war broke out. Particularly one of the panels on page 8 bothered me: Thor: "I see helicopters on patrol--searching for the hidden guerillas! But, they are so few, and the communist foe is so many--and so cunning!" Some context, this issue came out around June 1965, and I noticed there were some enthusiastic letters in response in later issues' letter pages, and I wondered then, as now, if Stan's apparent advocacy for the Vietnam war helped convince anyone to enlist? Certainly not the only time Marvel's had a controversial story line, but this issue's my least favorite example of Stan Lee's writing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmtg9 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Interesting comment MCJ. I always thought that Stan would have been opposed to the war (in opposition to Ditko) but he did write a lot of anti-Communist stories. I have heard that one of the reasons why he fell out with Ditko was over a shot of protesters (against the war?) and they both wanted Spidey to say different things - Stan wanted Spidey to support them and Ditko the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCJ Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I don't want to veer into politics, or I'll risk getting censured by The Powers That Be Sharp-minded readers will remember that Hero Journey Into Mystery has had Communist issues before, 84 & 87, and according to Overstreet, pre-hero issue #80 was an "anti-communist propaganda story." Marvel, and before that Timely and Atlas, have certainly had war themed issues, and I have no doubt some were controversial! They tended to be more subtle, in later years, than Cap punching out Hitler...And DC has had their share, too, but (imo) Marvel took more risks, such as Iron Man 128 with the Tony Stark alcoholism issue, the ASM #96-#98 drug issues not approved by the CCA, etc. than DC did during the Silver and Bronze Age (anyone else miss Epic Illustrated?) and perhaps DC's Vertigo line was in reaction to that. I read Epic Comics' Alien Legion as a teen, but that was coming out in '83, the Reagan/Thatcher era, and I didn't perceive their exploits as a call to arms. Military SF is not necessarily pro-war...Or is it? (Cue the dramatic music) "Dum-dum-dummm..." Probably not an appropriate forum. my apologies for going OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmoore54 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 (edited) We'd be remiss to let page 83 of the thread slip by without posting #83... Edited June 17, 2011 by trmoore54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCJ Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Your 8.0 copy is fantastic! After some deliberation (and a brief mourning period), I sent off my 7.0 & 4.0 copies of JIM 83 to ComicLink this morning in order to pay my bills. I'm really going to miss this one: White pages And to think that I'd briefly clawed my way up to #19 on the registry listing! That and $5 can buy me a cup of coffee... My goal is to buy an ow/w or white 8.5 copy of #83, but that's a crazy dream for now (or a Roth decimator)... UPDATE: The Powers That Be at ComicLink listed my 7.0 & 4.0 copies of #83 (and one of my 6.5 copies of #85) for sale in the July Focused auction starting 7/14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 1 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Pm me for the JIM 83 4.0...I'm interested... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmoore54 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 We'd be remiss to let page 83 of the thread slip by without posting #83... Not my copy...(I wish )..."borrowed" this off blazing bob's site in tribute... Beautiful 7.0! Sorry you have to part with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCJ Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Ah, one of Bob's? for only 21 to 22K one of them could be yours! The prices of Jim #83 have increased markedly, though I noticed in GPA that 4.0 and 4.5 copies are really close together. I'll hold out for an 8.5 or better, and I suppose most of us would attempt to buy a 9.0 if we could. Price action for JIM 83: An ow/w 5.0 sold for $3200 May 9th on eBay. Clink results from 5/25: 9.0 ow/w $52,102 4.0 ow/w $2,701 5.0 ow/w $3,201 5.5 ow/w (Marvel chipping) $3,433, 3.5 ow/w $1792.50 6/12/11. Contrast those results with an 8.5 ow/w which sold for $18,700 4/2010 & a 9.0 sold on Highgrade comics (Bob's site) for $19,000, but probably in 2008 or '09. (Bob Storms' sales gallery could use some dates for context ) No one forgets the Twin Cities 8.5 white pages copy which sold last month for $28,680...Another 8.5 sold in March for $26,500 (pq unknown)... Given that GPA doesn't always capture the registry numbers, I couldn't verify why the 4.0s which recently sold for more than the 4.5s and the 5.0s that also sold for more than the 5.5s, but I assume those results are mostly due to page quality issues. I know, page quality is only part of the story--e.g. cover mis-wraps do look fugly Without that depth of reporting, and the fact that not all sales results are reported to the GPA anyway, some manual tracking is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1koko Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Page quality to some extent but Marvel chipping also has an impact on price. GPA is a useful tool but one needs to be wary on keys as marvel chipping can have a detrimental effect on value regardless of a comics technical grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCJ Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I agree, Marvel chipping can have a severe detrimental effect (witness the 5.5 sales result above as a prime example). Some factors appear to be more heavily weighted than others amongst collectors. Some people can't stand date stamps or grease pencil marks, or cover mis-wraps, but Marvel chipping and page quality seem to be the most heavily weighted factors. Should we take a poll? I'm sure there are several polls already on this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickHigh Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Here's my #83. Sure not the best grade, but I only paid 12 cents for it so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmoore54 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Here's my #83. Sure not the best grade, but I only paid 12 cents for it so... That is one suh-weeet 3.0! And a bargain at 12-cents! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmoore54 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Let's go ahead and get issue 84 posted on page 84 before we miss out... Dougie's Vault copy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasingKingKirby Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 (edited) A few books I've picked up lately. Nothing extraordinary, but hey... Very few signed 84s on census. And a ragged 83 I just couldn't turn down at the price. Edited June 18, 2011 by MLMeade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasingKingKirby Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Pretty nice 96, one of the last books I picked up for my run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
