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Mark and Gary's Ashcan Census

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Well, it didn't make this year's Guide, but for those who want to know how rare these babies really are, here you go!

 

Action Comics # 1 (DC – no date) – 4

 

Action Funnies NN (DC – no date) – 3

 

All-American Comics NN (DC – April, 1940) – 1

 

All-American Men of War NN (DC – Aug./Sept. 1952) – 1

 

All Star Comics # 1 (DC – Spring, 1940) – 1

 

Animal Antics NN (DC – February, 1946) – 1

 

Animal Antics NN (DC – February, 1946) (cover only) – approximately 10

 

Boy Commandos # 1 (DC – Sept./Oct. 1942) – 1

 

Boy Commandos NN (DC – Sept./Oct. 1942) – 5

 

Champion Comics NN (Worth Publishing – October, 1939) – 2

 

Commandos # 1 (DC – October, 1942) – 2

 

Commandos # 1 (DC – October, 1942) (cover only) – 1

 

Crack Comics # 1 (Quality – May, 1940) – 1

 

Cyclone Comics NN (Bilbara – May, 1940) – 1

 

Federal Men Comics NN (DC – no month, 1936) – 1

 

5 Cent Comics (Fawcett – February, 1940) – 2

 

Flash Comics # 1 (DC – December, 1939) – 6

 

Flash Comics # 1 (Fawcett – January, 1940) – 8

 

Funny Folks NN (DC – February, 1946) – 1

 

Girl’s Love Stories NN (DC – Aug./Sept. 1949) – 1

 

Golden Arrow NN (Fawcett – no month, 1942) – 1

 

Headline Comics NN (DC – January, 1942) – 2

 

Here’s Howie NN (DC – Jan./Feb. 1951) – 2

 

House of Mystery NN (DC – Dec./Jan. 1951) – 2

 

Intimate Confessions NN (_________) – February, 1942) – 3

 

Leading Comics NN (DC – January, 1942) – 1

 

Leading Comics NN (DC – January, 1942) (cover only) – 2

 

Movie Cartoons NN (DC – December, 1944) (cover only) – approximately 15

 

Movie Fables NN (DC – December, 1944) (cover only) – approximately 15

 

Movie Gems NN (DC – December, 1944) (cover only) – approximately 15

 

The Mysterious Stranger NN (DC – Aug./Sept. 1952) – 1

 

Mystery Trail NN (DC – Feb./Mar. 1950) – 1

 

Nickel Comics NN (Fawcett – February, 1940) – 2

 

O.K. Comics NN (Hit Publications – May, 1940) – 1

 

Old Glory Comics NN (DC – no month, 1941) – 1

 

Our Men at War NN (DC – Aug./Sept. 1952) – 2

 

The Phantom Stranger NN (DC – Aug./Sept. 1952) – 1

 

Radio Funnies # 1 (DC – March, 1939) – 1

 

Real Fact Comics NN (DC – February, 1946) (cover only) – approximately 15

 

Real Screen Funnies # 1 (DC – Spring, 1945) – 3

 

Real Screen Funnies # 1 (DC – Spring, 1945) (cover only) – 4

 

Red, White & Blue Comics NN (DC – no month, 1941) – 1

 

Rock ‘N’ Roll Comics NN (DC – Dec./Jan. 1956) – 1

 

Screen Cartoons NN (DC – December, 1944) (cover only) – approximately 15

 

Screen Comics NN (DC – December, 1944) (cover only) – approximately 15

 

Screen Fables NN (DC – December, 1944) (cover only) – approximately 15

 

Screen Funnies NN (DC – December, 1944) (cover only) – approximately 15

 

Screen Gems NN (DC – December, 1944) (cover only) – approximately 15

 

Slam-Bang Comics ___ (Fawcett - _____, 1940) – 1

 

Spotlight Comics NN (______ - September, 1940) – 1

 

Star Spangled War Stories NN (DC – Aug./Sept. 1952) – 1

 

Strange Adventures NN (DC – July/Aug. 1950) – 3

 

Superboy NN (DC – January, 1942) – 1

 

Supergirl NN (DC – February, 1944) – 1

 

Superman Comics NN (DC – no date) – 4

 

Superman / Superhombre NN (DC – April, 1945) – 1

 

Super Market Comics # 1 (Fawcett – no date) – 1

 

Super Market Varieties # 1 (Fawcett – no date) – 1

 

Superwoman NN (DC – January, 1942) – 2

 

Superwoman NN (DC – January, 1942) (cover only) – 1

 

Thrill Comics # 1 (Fawcett – January, 1940) – 3

 

Western Serenade NN (DC – May/June 1949) – 1

 

Wonderful World for Boys and Girls NN (DC – May, 1964) – 1

 

Wonder Woman # 1 (DC – January, 1942) – 1

 

World’s Best Comics NN (DC – February, 1940) – 2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks, Gary & Mark!!!! (thumbs u

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Well, it didn't make this year's Guide, but for those who want to know how rare these babies really are, here you go!

 

Action Comics # 1 (DC – no date) – 4

 

Action Funnies NN (DC – no date) – 3

 

All-American Comics NN (DC – April, 1940) – 1

 

All-American Men of War NN (DC – Aug./Sept. 1952) – 1

 

All Star Comics # 1 (DC – Spring, 1940) – 1

 

Animal Antics NN (DC – February, 1946) – 1

 

Animal Antics NN (DC – February, 1946) (cover only) – approximately 10

 

Boy Commandos # 1 (DC – Sept./Oct. 1942) – 1

 

Boy Commandos NN (DC – Sept./Oct. 1942) – 5

 

Champion Comics NN (Worth Publishing – October, 1939) – 2

 

Commandos # 1 (DC – October, 1942) – 2

 

Commandos # 1 (DC – October, 1942) (cover only) – 1

 

Crack Comics # 1 (Quality – May, 1940) – 1

 

Cyclone Comics NN (Bilbara – May, 1940) – 1

 

Federal Men Comics NN (DC – no month, 1936) – 1

 

5 Cent Comics (Fawcett – February, 1940) – 2

 

Flash Comics # 1 (DC – December, 1939) – 6

 

Flash Comics # 1 (Fawcett – January, 1940) – 8

 

Funny Folks NN (DC – February, 1946) – 1

 

Girl’s Love Stories NN (DC – Aug./Sept. 1949) – 1

 

Golden Arrow NN (Fawcett – no month, 1942) – 1

 

Headline Comics NN (DC – January, 1942) – 2

 

Here’s Howie NN (DC – Jan./Feb. 1951) – 2

 

House of Mystery NN (DC – Dec./Jan. 1951) – 2

 

Intimate Confessions NN (_________) – February, 1942) – 3

 

Leading Comics NN (DC – January, 1942) – 1

 

Leading Comics NN (DC – January, 1942) (cover only) – 2

 

Movie Cartoons NN (DC – December, 1944) (cover only) – approximately 15

 

Movie Fables NN (DC – December, 1944) (cover only) – approximately 15

 

Movie Gems NN (DC – December, 1944) (cover only) – approximately 15

 

The Mysterious Stranger NN (DC – Aug./Sept. 1952) – 1

 

Mystery Trail NN (DC – Feb./Mar. 1950) – 1

 

Nickel Comics NN (Fawcett – February, 1940) – 2

 

O.K. Comics NN (Hit Publications – May, 1940) – 1

 

Old Glory Comics NN (DC – no month, 1941) – 1

 

Our Men at War NN (DC – Aug./Sept. 1952) – 2

 

The Phantom Stranger NN (DC – Aug./Sept. 1952) – 1

 

Radio Funnies # 1 (DC – March, 1939) – 1

 

Real Fact Comics NN (DC – February, 1946) (cover only) – approximately 15

 

Real Screen Funnies # 1 (DC – Spring, 1945) – 3

 

Real Screen Funnies # 1 (DC – Spring, 1945) (cover only) – 4

 

Red, White & Blue Comics NN (DC – no month, 1941) – 1

 

Rock ‘N’ Roll Comics NN (DC – Dec./Jan. 1956) – 1

 

Screen Cartoons NN (DC – December, 1944) (cover only) – approximately 15

 

Screen Comics NN (DC – December, 1944) (cover only) – approximately 15

 

Screen Fables NN (DC – December, 1944) (cover only) – approximately 15

 

Screen Funnies NN (DC – December, 1944) (cover only) – approximately 15

 

Screen Gems NN (DC – December, 1944) (cover only) – approximately 15

 

Slam-Bang Comics ___ (Fawcett - _____, 1940) – 1

 

Spotlight Comics NN (______ - September, 1940) – 1

 

Star Spangled War Stories NN (DC – Aug./Sept. 1952) – 1

 

Strange Adventures NN (DC – July/Aug. 1950) – 3

 

Superboy NN (DC – January, 1942) – 1

 

Supergirl NN (DC – February, 1944) – 1

 

Superman Comics NN (DC – no date) – 4

 

Superman / Superhombre NN (DC – April, 1945) – 1

 

Super Market Comics # 1 (Fawcett – no date) – 1

 

Super Market Varieties # 1 (Fawcett – no date) – 1

 

Superwoman NN (DC – January, 1942) – 2

 

Superwoman NN (DC – January, 1942) (cover only) – 1

 

Thrill Comics # 1 (Fawcett – January, 1940) – 3

 

Western Serenade NN (DC – May/June 1949) – 1

 

Wonderful World for Boys and Girls NN (DC – May, 1964) – 1

 

Wonder Woman # 1 (DC – January, 1942) – 1

 

World’s Best Comics NN (DC – February, 1940) – 2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for your work. :foryou: :hail:

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Thanks for this list. Do you see a lot of reproductions of these? Strange that two of these ashcans are listed on Ebay right now... With the scarcity of these has there ever been any counterfeits? Thanks

 

Grady

 

Grady, to my knowledge there have been no instances of counterfeit ashcans or reproductions hitting the market. Because the prices are escalating it's getting so that it's not uncommon for a major auction to have one or two.

 

I have some doubles for sale right now too.

 

It's just like any part of collecting - sometimes it seems like all the rarest items are available at the same time!

 

--Gary

 

 

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Gary- I don't know if you have ever seen this book. I have to assume, it is a far more sophisticated 'ashcan' or mock up his first ideas for Comics........(By the way, it is a slick cover and not paper)

 

Note the time stamps in and notation of CIB

 

Here is a small write up I did as part of a larger Chesler article i did for CBM

 

The Pre-Superhero Period 1937-1939

 

Although the first published Chesler comicbooks were Star Comics and Star Ranger Comics cover dated February 1937, it was obvious that Chesler had his eye on the publishing market and comics before this. In a little known mock-up magazine that was only submitted for copyright purposes, Chesler produced a magazine called Cheerio with a subtitle of “A Rapid View of Fun that’s New”. (There is that “new” word again.) Dated January 5, 1936, it approximated the size of New Fun. (Dated stamped "Sept. 19, 1935 Periodical Division")

The insides were mainly text (Chesler himself even penned a crime piece) along with single panel gags and blank filler pages.

 

Cherrio could easily be relegated to the pile of esoteria that litters the history of comicbooks. However, the link of this magazine to Star Comics is inescapable. Reproduced as a header figure within Cheerio is a figure (see insert) that became the cover figure for Star Comics 1 as drawn by J.C. Brigham. The tagline for this magazine became the tagline for Star Comics. The full-page comic splash on the back cover of Cheerio was reproduced in Star Comics 1. Also, although it did not appear within, the magazine on the cover references the features of “King Kole’s Court” and “Lucky Coyne” which were early features of Star Comics. As produced, Star Comics contained many one and two page features. One was named “Cheerio Minstrels” which, when viewed in the context of the above, has an obvious link to Chesler’s plans for features.

 

 

So, what do you think? Anyone else have this? (Got it from Charlie Roberts years ago)

 

jon

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Gary- I don't know if you have ever seen this book. I have to assume, it is a far more sophisticated 'ashcan' or mock up his first ideas for Comics........(By the way, it is a slick cover and not paper)

 

Note the time stamps in and notation of CIB

 

Here is a small write up I did as part of a larger Chesler article i did for CBM

 

The Pre-Superhero Period 1937-1939

 

Although the first published Chesler comicbooks were Star Comics and Star Ranger Comics cover dated February 1937, it was obvious that Chesler had his eye on the publishing market and comics before this. In a little known mock-up magazine that was only submitted for copyright purposes, Chesler produced a magazine called Cheerio with a subtitle of “A Rapid View of Fun that’s New”. (There is that “new” word again.) Dated January 5, 1936, it approximated the size of New Fun. (Dated stamped "Sept. 19, 1935 Periodical Division")

The insides were mainly text (Chesler himself even penned a crime piece) along with single panel gags and blank filler pages.

 

Cherrio could easily be relegated to the pile of esoteria that litters the history of comicbooks. However, the link of this magazine to Star Comics is inescapable. Reproduced as a header figure within Cheerio is a figure (see insert) that became the cover figure for Star Comics 1 as drawn by J.C. Brigham. The tagline for this magazine became the tagline for Star Comics. The full-page comic splash on the back cover of Cheerio was reproduced in Star Comics 1. Also, although it did not appear within, the magazine on the cover references the features of “King Kole’s Court” and “Lucky Coyne” which were early features of Star Comics. As produced, Star Comics contained many one and two page features. One was named “Cheerio Minstrels” which, when viewed in the context of the above, has an obvious link to Chesler’s plans for features.

 

 

So, what do you think? Anyone else have this? (Got it from Charlie Roberts years ago)

 

jon

 

 

Obviously, this has to be something to do with the Library of Congress

 

 

"As early as January 1830, the Librarian of Congress John Silva Meehan, had been instructed to place the latest numbers of periodicals received by the Library on a special table "for the convenience of readers." In 1867 a small, separate periodicals reading room was established for members of Congress. When the Library Committee increased the Library's annual newspaper appropriation that year it observed that "The wants of Congress for all leading journals, magazines & reviews covering the departments of law, commerce, finance, & literature require the Librarian to subscribe annually for an increased number." The importance of newspapers and periodicals to scholars was recognized when the Library established a separate newspaper-periodical room on January 22, 1900. Now the Newspaper and Current Periodical Reading Room of the Serial and Government Publications Division (S&GP), it continues this tradition of providing service for the convenience of readers.

 

Established in 1897 as the Periodical Division, S&GP administers and performs the acquisition, bibliographic control, reference, and preservation activities crucial to making the Library's valuable collections available to Congress and the nation."

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Gary- I don't know if you have ever seen this book. I have to assume, it is a far more sophisticated 'ashcan' or mock up his first ideas for Comics........(By the way, it is a slick cover and not paper)

 

Note the time stamps in and notation of CIB

 

Here is a small write up I did as part of a larger Chesler article i did for CBM

 

The Pre-Superhero Period 1937-1939

 

Although the first published Chesler comicbooks were Star Comics and Star Ranger Comics cover dated February 1937, it was obvious that Chesler had his eye on the publishing market and comics before this. In a little known mock-up magazine that was only submitted for copyright purposes, Chesler produced a magazine called Cheerio with a subtitle of “A Rapid View of Fun that’s New”. (There is that “new” word again.) Dated January 5, 1936, it approximated the size of New Fun. (Dated stamped "Sept. 19, 1935 Periodical Division")

The insides were mainly text (Chesler himself even penned a crime piece) along with single panel gags and blank filler pages.

 

Cherrio could easily be relegated to the pile of esoteria that litters the history of comicbooks. However, the link of this magazine to Star Comics is inescapable. Reproduced as a header figure within Cheerio is a figure (see insert) that became the cover figure for Star Comics 1 as drawn by J.C. Brigham. The tagline for this magazine became the tagline for Star Comics. The full-page comic splash on the back cover of Cheerio was reproduced in Star Comics 1. Also, although it did not appear within, the magazine on the cover references the features of “King Kole’s Court” and “Lucky Coyne” which were early features of Star Comics. As produced, Star Comics contained many one and two page features. One was named “Cheerio Minstrels” which, when viewed in the context of the above, has an obvious link to Chesler’s plans for features.

 

 

So, what do you think? Anyone else have this? (Got it from Charlie Roberts years ago)

 

jon

 

 

Obviously, this has to be something to do with the Library of Congress

 

 

"As early as January 1830, the Librarian of Congress John Silva Meehan, had been instructed to place the latest numbers of periodicals received by the Library on a special table "for the convenience of readers." In 1867 a small, separate periodicals reading room was established for members of Congress. When the Library Committee increased the Library's annual newspaper appropriation that year it observed that "The wants of Congress for all leading journals, magazines & reviews covering the departments of law, commerce, finance, & literature require the Librarian to subscribe annually for an increased number." The importance of newspapers and periodicals to scholars was recognized when the Library established a separate newspaper-periodical room on January 22, 1900. Now the Newspaper and Current Periodical Reading Room of the Serial and Government Publications Division (S&GP), it continues this tradition of providing service for the convenience of readers.

 

Established in 1897 as the Periodical Division, S&GP administers and performs the acquisition, bibliographic control, reference, and preservation activities crucial to making the Library's valuable collections available to Congress and the nation."

 

Indeed it does. My exact thoughts. I have been trying to track Library of Congress submissions. This is the earliest ones I have seen. Most examples tend to be Fawcetts. I've tried a few times to obtain some info directly from the Library but tracking down someone who actually knows something is not interesting. I have some former clients who work there and plan to try again. Probably my next OSPG article!

 

Awesome book as always Jon!

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Gary- I don't know if you have ever seen this book. I have to assume, it is a far more sophisticated 'ashcan' or mock up his first ideas for Comics........(By the way, it is a slick cover and not paper)

 

Note the time stamps in and notation of CIB

 

Here is a small write up I did as part of a larger Chesler article i did for CBM

 

The Pre-Superhero Period 1937-1939

 

Although the first published Chesler comicbooks were Star Comics and Star Ranger Comics cover dated February 1937, it was obvious that Chesler had his eye on the publishing market and comics before this. In a little known mock-up magazine that was only submitted for copyright purposes, Chesler produced a magazine called Cheerio with a subtitle of “A Rapid View of Fun that’s New”. (There is that “new” word again.) Dated January 5, 1936, it approximated the size of New Fun. (Dated stamped "Sept. 19, 1935 Periodical Division")

The insides were mainly text (Chesler himself even penned a crime piece) along with single panel gags and blank filler pages.

 

Cherrio could easily be relegated to the pile of esoteria that litters the history of comicbooks. However, the link of this magazine to Star Comics is inescapable. Reproduced as a header figure within Cheerio is a figure (see insert) that became the cover figure for Star Comics 1 as drawn by J.C. Brigham. The tagline for this magazine became the tagline for Star Comics. The full-page comic splash on the back cover of Cheerio was reproduced in Star Comics 1. Also, although it did not appear within, the magazine on the cover references the features of “King Kole’s Court” and “Lucky Coyne” which were early features of Star Comics. As produced, Star Comics contained many one and two page features. One was named “Cheerio Minstrels” which, when viewed in the context of the above, has an obvious link to Chesler’s plans for features.

 

 

So, what do you think? Anyone else have this? (Got it from Charlie Roberts years ago)

 

jon

 

 

Obviously, this has to be something to do with the Library of Congress

 

 

"As early as January 1830, the Librarian of Congress John Silva Meehan, had been instructed to place the latest numbers of periodicals received by the Library on a special table "for the convenience of readers." In 1867 a small, separate periodicals reading room was established for members of Congress. When the Library Committee increased the Library's annual newspaper appropriation that year it observed that "The wants of Congress for all leading journals, magazines & reviews covering the departments of law, commerce, finance, & literature require the Librarian to subscribe annually for an increased number." The importance of newspapers and periodicals to scholars was recognized when the Library established a separate newspaper-periodical room on January 22, 1900. Now the Newspaper and Current Periodical Reading Room of the Serial and Government Publications Division (S&GP), it continues this tradition of providing service for the convenience of readers.

 

Established in 1897 as the Periodical Division, S&GP administers and performs the acquisition, bibliographic control, reference, and preservation activities crucial to making the Library's valuable collections available to Congress and the nation."

 

Indeed it does. My exact thoughts. I have been trying to track Library of Congress submissions. This is the earliest ones I have seen. Most examples tend to be Fawcetts. I've tried a few times to obtain some info directly from the Library but tracking down someone who actually knows something is not interesting. I have some former clients who work there and plan to try again. Probably my next OSPG article!

 

Awesome book as always Jon!

 

Thanks, Jon. Fascinating book. It's items like this that keep me intrigued about the origins of comic books. I wish I could spend more time on the research needed to better understand what happened back in those wild and crazy days.

 

 

 

 

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5 Cent Comics (Fawcett – February, 1940) – 2

 

In light of Dave Anderson's e-bay auction that ended tonight we may have to bump this one to 3 issues. I know I own one of them and I know the winner of tonight's auction, but I can't recall where the "2" originated from.

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