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Another batch of Overgraded books from a major dealer... RANT!!!

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VintageComics

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it's not like dealers have resto detection on site.

 

There are a lot of non dealers who can grade better and detect resto better.

 

The way I look at it if you want to do something, you should know how to do it. Can you imagine me fixing cars but not really knowing how to do it?

 

doh!

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Monstro

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it's not like dealers have resto detection on site.

 

There are a lot of non dealers who can grade better and detect resto better.

 

The way I look at it if you want to do something, you should know how to do it. Can you imagine me fixing cars but not really knowing how to do it?

 

doh!

 

but can resto be detected 100% of the time with out whatever tools they use at CGC?

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COI

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I meant to address something in Sal's post, but I went off on a tangent and forgot what I was going to say. :tonofbricks:

 

And I do not agree that offering a generous return policy absolves a dealer from selling you overgraded books.

 

I agree in principle, but a liberal return policy does absolve a dealer to the extent that it ties the hands of a customer who may want to take action or speak out against the practice of selling over graded material. As you've seen in this thread, the response to LordRahl by several board members was along the lines of "you got a refund, what's the problem?", and many dealers take that mentality and run with it. Heck, a liberal return policy is what has kept Dupcak in business on Ebay.

 

either the seller is sloppy or has decided to systematically overgrade and bank on the fact that a lot of buyers cannot grade or won't are not sufficiently pissed to return the books. Indeed, I am pretty convined that this strategy probably works bests overall (when all you care about is $), maybe not for selling to the typical CGC board member, but for selling to the entire population of comics buyers

 

They're carving out a living in this business the best way they know how. This is why CGC is such an attractive alternative.

 

 

lol:banana:

 

Expect accusations of one of us being a shill for the other. lol

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MrBedrock

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Interestingly, I have never seen a dealer come on the boards and rag on a customer who returned a book that may have been perfectly acceptable to most.

 

Knock yourself out.

 

:popcorn:

I would, but all the returns I've gotten have one thing in common.

I screwed up.

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NewWorldOrder

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The main question I have is if I buy a book from a dealer and get it slabbed like 6 months later and its comes back PLOD, can you prove to the dealer that you actually bought it from them? I would figure that most dealers wouldn’t give you your money back if is has been that long.

 

What works for you guys in general about returning PLOD books regardless of how long it has been?

 

Do you also feel it is the dealer’s liability to also pay for your CGC grading fees? (I feel the answer is no)

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COI

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it's not like dealers have resto detection on site.

 

There are a lot of non dealers who can grade better and detect resto better.

 

The way I look at it if you want to do something, you should know how to do it. Can you imagine me fixing cars but not really knowing how to do it?

 

doh!

 

but can resto be detected 100% of the time with out whatever tools they use at CGC?

 

The "tools they use at CGC" can't detect resto 100% of the time. :gossip:

 

By the way, it isn't nice to refer to the graders as "tools". :kidaround:

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OldGuy

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but can resto be detected 100% of the time with out whatever tools they use at CGC?

 

CGC can't detect restoration 100% of the time......

 

Those are just "isolated incidents."

 

Oh yea, silly me.

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joecgcmaniac

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but can resto be detected 100% of the time with out whatever tools they use at CGC?

 

CGC can't detect restoration 100% of the time......

 

Those are just "isolated incidents."

 

Oh yea, silly me.

 

now go fist yourself as punishment :foryou:

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OldGuy

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but can resto be detected 100% of the time with out whatever tools they use at CGC?

 

CGC can't detect restoration 100% of the time......

 

Those are just "isolated incidents."

 

Oh yea, silly me.

 

now go fist yourself as punishment :foryou:

 

:cloud9:

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Monstro

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it's not like dealers have resto detection on site.

 

There are a lot of non dealers who can grade better and detect resto better.

 

The way I look at it if you want to do something, you should know how to do it. Can you imagine me fixing cars but not really knowing how to do it?

 

doh!

 

but can resto be detected 100% of the time with out whatever tools they use at CGC?

 

The "tools they use at CGC" can't detect resto 100% of the time. :gossip:

 

By the way, it isn't nice to refer to the graders as "tools". :kidaround:

lol

 

 

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nik

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The main question I have is if I buy a book from a dealer and get it slabbed like 6 months later and its comes back PLOD, can you prove to the dealer that you actually bought it from them? I would figure that most dealers wouldn’t give you your money back if is has been that long.

 

What works for you guys in general about returning PLOD books regardless of how long it has been?

 

Do you also feel it is the dealer’s liability to also pay for your CGC grading fees? (I feel the answer is no)

 

Some dealers will give you credit for the book. Some guys like Ted, will refund your full purchase minus slabbing fees and shipping costs.

 

Some dealers have a time limit, Ted does not.

 

I don't blame a dealer if the book comes back graded lower then advertised grade. I also can't fully blame them if it comes back as a PLOD.

 

Personally, I would buy from Doug sight unseen and Bob Storms, sight unseen, as well as many forumites here on the boards. As for the rest of them, I have to see it first before commiting to buy.

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burntboy

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I request scans before buying anything online. :whistle:

 

The problem is that, under the currently accepted grading standards, things that don't show up in scans -- non-color breaking bends, thumb dents, etc. -- can KILL a grade. Many books that look 9.0 or better in a scan in actuality grade out 8.0/8.5 due to these flaws.

 

Precisely............. (thumbs u

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burntboy

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Chris; my point is that i believe a number of "old-time" dealers simply grade differently.

 

the folks on this Board are by far (IMHO) the most knowlegeable in the ways of CGC grading. things like stains, sun/dust shadows, foxing, NCB creases, etc., are possibly viewed differently than OS or many dealers.

 

 

Have you seen the results from Nik's grading competitions :baiting:

 

 

Another excellent point in how differently folks can view the same book.

 

although it's only fair to reiterate that the contests are really more of a "Guess what CGC graded the book as" from a scan................ :grin:

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