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If pressing was detectable should it be given a blue label designation?

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If CGC could detect pressing, should it still classify it as a blue label?  

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  1. 1. If CGC could detect pressing, should it still classify it as a blue label?

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slym2none

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What if pressing were DELECTABLE...?

 

Huhh?

 

HUHHH??

 

 

Everyone would complain about the dessert spoons, for different reasons.

 

I started to write out the reasons, but it sounded too porn-ish, so I'll stop right here.

 

 

 

-slym

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bronze_rules

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No, I think it's pretty clear as it stands.

 

Just so I know, what's your first language?

 

It's not English, but I assure you my grammar is comparable (if not superior) to yours.

I'm confident that my tact, wit, and ability to reason are a step above yours as well, but I digress.

 

I'll simplify for you: Pressing-- blue, or non-blue label. Does that improve your comprehension of the distinction? If so, how about we stick to the issue at hand? Thanks for your cooperation in advance.

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sborock

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If Pressing were detectable then it was a bad pressing job...

What do books currently get labeled as if it received a bad pressing job? Purple? Green? Blue with a grade deduction?

 

 

Thats pretty much going to be your answer

 

A bad press job is damage. It gets down graded and put in a blue label, just as if someone tore the cover.........

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bronze_rules

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A recognized authority has joined the thread. (worship)(worship)(worship)

 

Having seen the proliferation of threads on the issue, could you possibly elaborate a bit on your personal insight of some of the opinions? Would (artificial, i.e. steam/heat assisted) pressing really be that difficult to detect and classify via a spectrometer, or is the cost of obtaining such an instrument, or outsourcing to a lab to handle some of the work really that high, that it would not be within the R&D budget of CGC?

 

How do you feel about the blue vs. non-blue designation given the condition that (artificial) pressing could be detected reliably?

 

Your opinions here are highly valued (certainly by me) and thanks in advance for any you wish to share. :wishluck:

 

If Pressing were detectable then it was a bad pressing job...

What do books currently get labeled as if it received a bad pressing job? Purple? Green? Blue with a grade deduction?

 

 

Thats pretty much going to be your answer

 

A bad press job is damage. It gets down graded and put in a blue label, just as if someone tore the cover.........

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sborock

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A recognized authority has joined the thread. (worship)(worship)(worship)

 

Having seen the proliferation of threads on the issue, could you possibly elaborate a bit on your personal insight of some of the opinions? O.K.Would (artificial, i.e. steam/heat assisted) pressing really be that difficult to detect and classify via a spectrometer, or is the cost of obtaining such an instrument, or outsourcing to a lab to handle some of the work really that high, that it would not be within the R&D budget of CGC? CGC has a very small budget and I am not sure any instrument can detect pressing. I could be wrong.

 

How do you feel about the blue vs. non-blue designation given the condition that (artificial) pressing could be detected reliably? Once again, I can tell a bad press job and down grade for it. I cannot detect a good press. As for the label, why stigmatize someone's comic for no reason

Your opinions here are highly valued (certainly by me) and thanks in advance for any you wish to share. :wishluck:Thank you!

 

If Pressing were detectable then it was a bad pressing job...

What do books currently get labeled as if it received a bad pressing job? Purple? Green? Blue with a grade deduction?

 

 

Thats pretty much going to be your answer

 

A bad press job is damage. It gets down graded and put in a blue label, just as if someone tore the cover.........

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He11blazer

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Personally I don't care about pressing, BUT...

 

As a thought experiment, if deliberate restorative pressing was always detectable and distinguishable from non-deliberate squashing (in boxes, stacks etc), then YES, it must receive a PURPLE label.

 

This is inarguable. To suggest otherwise is completely illogical.

 

However, deliberate pressing is definitely NOT always detectable or distinguishable from accidental pressing, so back to square one :)

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pickycollector

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i have been watching the pressing threads for weeks now and really havent chimmed in yet..here are my thoughts...

1)pressing should be disclosed! PERIOD! :baiting:

2)pressing is a part of our hobby that is not going to go away....i.e. HAMMER :makepoint:

3)should a non-pressed cgc 9.6 be worth more than a pressed book of the same grade and page quality? YES! :cloud9:

4)disclosure should be a part of the cgc submission process...if a fool proof detection method is not available,a weekly list of all BOOKS THAT ARE PRESSED BY THEM should be forwarded to cgc from all the reputable companies that are a part of this board,nos,ect THAT ARE DOING THE PRESSING :shy:..... discolure should be on the part of the people doing the work on the books,ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE SUBMITTING MANY OF THE BOOKS DIRECT TO CGC... :gossip:

 

Totally agree with you :golfclap:

 

You made a good point here. I think this is the main reason for disclosure: a CGC non-pressed 9.6 DOES worth more than a CGC pressed 9.6 of a similar book. Pro-pressers will not care but anti-pressers will do, therefore creating more demand for the non-pressed book !! :sumo:

 

 

 

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nearmint

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which is given that pressing could somehow be detected on a reliable scale (which I believe is achievable for some reasons cited on another thread)

 

You proceed from a false assumption.

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i have been watching the pressing threads for weeks now and really havent chimmed in yet..here are my thoughts...

1)pressing should be disclosed! PERIOD! :baiting:

2)pressing is a part of our hobby that is not going to go away....i.e. HAMMER :makepoint:

3)should a non-pressed cgc 9.6 be worth more than a pressed book of the same grade and page quality? YES! :cloud9:

4)disclosure should be a part of the cgc submission process...if a fool proof detection method is not available,a weekly list of all BOOKS THAT ARE PRESSED BY THEM should be forwarded to cgc from all the reputable companies that are a part of this board,nos,ect THAT ARE DOING THE PRESSING :shy:..... discolure should be on the part of the people doing the work on the books,ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE SUBMITTING MANY OF THE BOOKS DIRECT TO CGC... :gossip:

 

Totally agree with you :golfclap:

 

You made a good point here. I think this is the main reason for disclosure: a CGC non-pressed 9.6 DOES worth more than a CGC pressed 9.6 of a similar book. Pro-pressers will not care but anti-pressers will do, therefore creating more demand for the non-pressed book !! :sumo:

 

As has been said a million times, a non-pressed 9.6 might very well be worth more than a pressed 9.6. The reason is that the non-pressed might have 9.8 potential.

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As has been said a million times, a non-pressed 9.6 might very well be worth more than a pressed 9.6. The reason is that the non-pressed might have 9.8 potential.

 

That's part of the reason, for sure. But, the other part is that some collectors just prefer an "untouched" copy, rather than a 9.4 in 9.6 clothing.

 

 

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As has been said a million times, a non-pressed 9.6 might very well be worth more than a pressed 9.6. The reason is that the non-pressed might have 9.8 potential.

 

That's part of the reason, for sure. But, the other part is that some collectors just prefer an "untouched" copy, rather than a 9.4 in 9.6 clothing.

 

 

I'm sure that's true. But if the 9.6 does have 9.8 potential, the presser will pay more for it, and the non-presser won't end up with the book anyway.

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But if the 9.6 does have 9.8 potential, the presser will pay more for it, and the non-presser won't end up with the book anyway.

 

Possibly (probably), but my point was not about WHO will pay the most for a book.

 

I just stated that some people would prefer the untouched book to the pressed book. I would pay more for an unpressed copy than a pressed one (same book, same PQ, etc...), and I've never had a book pressed.

 

I've considered having a few done, but decided against it. I won't say that I will never have a book pressed, but that is not in the current plan. I certainly don't agree with pressing, although I understand some of the reasoning. It's very tempting. But, ultimately, I'm not for it.

 

I know I'm in the minority on the boards as far as that goes, and I'm probably the bigger chump for it (missing out on that easy money).

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But if the 9.6 does have 9.8 potential, the presser will pay more for it, and the non-presser won't end up with the book anyway.

 

Possibly (probably), but my point was not about WHO will pay the most for a book.

 

I just stated that some people would prefer the untouched book to the pressed book. I would pay more for an unpressed copy than a pressed one (same book, same PQ, etc...), and I've never had a book pressed.

 

I've considered having a few done, but decided against it. I won't say that I will never have a book pressed, but that is not in the current plan. I certainly don't agree with pressing, although I understand some of the reasoning. It's very tempting. But, ultimately, I'm not for it.

 

I know I'm in the minority on the boards as far as that goes, and I'm probably the bigger chump for it (missing out on that easy money).

 

I myself can't imagine pressing a 9.6 hoping for a 9.8, but I'm exclusively Golden Age these days. I have no problem with pressing, but only have a book pressed if I think it will make the book look nicer. A book without a spine roll just looks a lot nicer than one with.

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hockey&comicsguy

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There must be some common ground that everyone stands on or can at least agree represents what a pressed book is and that is is an integral part of the book once it has occurred and should not be concealed if known.

 

 

 

:roflmao:

 

 

I just read that a spit up my coke. I'm not laughing at you, it just struck me as funny considering the topic. IMHO, I think the Israelis and Palestinians will find a common ground before any is found in the great pressing debate.

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There must be some common ground that everyone stands on or can at least agree represents what a pressed book is and that is is an integral part of the book once it has occurred and should not be concealed if known.

 

 

 

:roflmao:

 

 

I just read that a spit up my coke. I'm not laughing at you, it just struck me as funny considering the topic. IMHO, I think the Israelis and Palestinians will find a common ground before any is found in the great pressing debate.

 

Sad but true.

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