PROBATION DISCUSSIONS 21 21

[Ryan.]

Update:

 

Menace did send me a refund this weekend. It only took 5 months. This was not the only problem I had with this same transaction. I purchased numerous Young SS books from his sales thread. After the thread was closed he sent me a pm stating he did not have enough SS Thor 9.8 variants.

 

Hi John,

 

Got you books here. I did not get enough Thor 9.8 books however so I can refund that money or I have the following 9.8 books available if you want one.

 

Uncanny Avengers

Marvel Now Point 1

New Avengers

Captain America

Indestructible Hulk

Avengers Arena

Cable and the X-Force

 

I chose the Uncanny Avengers to replace it. Please beware of future dealings with this boardie. He is very unorganized.

 

So he was pre selling books he couldn't get for sure?

 

I don't think he's the only one that does that here.

 

Maybe he's the only one that falls on his face doing it.

 

I don't think he's the only one here doing that either.

[comix4fun]

Update:

 

Menace did send me a refund this weekend. It only took 5 months. This was not the only problem I had with this same transaction. I purchased numerous Young SS books from his sales thread. After the thread was closed he sent me a pm stating he did not have enough SS Thor 9.8 variants.

 

Hi John,

 

Got you books here. I did not get enough Thor 9.8 books however so I can refund that money or I have the following 9.8 books available if you want one.

 

Uncanny Avengers

Marvel Now Point 1

New Avengers

Captain America

Indestructible Hulk

Avengers Arena

Cable and the X-Force

 

I chose the Uncanny Avengers to replace it. Please beware of future dealings with this boardie. He is very unorganized.

 

So he was pre selling books he couldn't get for sure?

 

I don't think he's the only one that does that here.

 

Maybe he's the only one that falls on his face doing it.

 

I don't think he's the only one here doing that either.

 

 

There's the guys that do it right, like Dre. He has an eye for grades and subs far more than the minimum necessary to make his prescreen and preorders.

 

Then there are the guys who got here, and 5 minutes later are taking unlimited orders for their first convention facilitating.

 

The experience and skill of the chosen provider will determine likelihood of success.

[Ryan.]

Undoubtedly.

[TheMightyJohn]

Regarding Menace, adding to the discourse.

I'm not stating a for or against opinion.

 

But for those asking for more issues, here are some links, beyond the three issues already noted, so that you can make an informed decision:

 

Ramos OP, missing art? Perhaps miss-communication

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=307964&Number=6898144#Post6898144

 

His own convention thread. 9 pages of many complaints due to lack of shipping, lack of communication, etc.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6895944&fpart=1

 

All in all looks like allot of miss-communication, or no communication.

Not keeping up with shipments, or not shipping yet at all.

It isn't one instance, two, or three, but many.

 

You've got the Medina OP, the Scottie Young Sig OP, the RAMOS Op (something amiss), and late or no responses to various convention submissions for SS.

 

PL or HOS...you decide.

Regardless there is a common theme that needs to be rectified.

Menace (Jake) might be a great guy and a savvy business man.

But...with all due respect he needs a professional wake-up.

And needs to learn to communicate effectively if he wants to conduct business via these boards.

 

I state this with no malice and wish he and his numerous customers in limbo the best. (thumbs u

 

 

+1

[J DUB]

Regarding Menace, adding to the discourse.

I'm not stating a for or against opinion.

 

But for those asking for more issues, here are some links, beyond the three issues already noted, so that you can make an informed decision:

 

Ramos OP, missing art? Perhaps miss-communication

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=307964&Number=6898144#Post6898144

 

His own convention thread. 9 pages of many complaints due to lack of shipping, lack of communication, etc.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6895944&fpart=1

 

All in all looks like allot of miss-communication, or no communication.

Not keeping up with shipments, or not shipping yet at all.

It isn't one instance, two, or three, but many.

 

You've got the Medina OP, the Scottie Young Sig OP, the RAMOS Op (something amiss), and late or no responses to various convention submissions for SS.

 

PL or HOS...you decide.

Regardless there is a common theme that needs to be rectified.

Menace (Jake) might be a great guy and a savvy business man.

But...with all due respect he needs a professional wake-up.

And needs to learn to communicate effectively if he wants to conduct business via these boards.

 

I state this with no malice and wish he and his numerous customers in limbo the best. (thumbs u

 

 

+1

 

You forgot to add the Tony Daniel OP to this list as well. Several issues in this one. None of which were on the artist. Then you had the probation thing which they all got deleted because he was posting personal and paypal info on the boards. Mods deleted most of those before the next morning. And the list goes on.....

 

 

As far as removing him. I did receive my refund. But I do think something else should happen here besides removing him or what is the point?

Edited December 10, 2013 by J DUB

[TheMightyJohn]

Regarding Menace, adding to the discourse.

I'm not stating a for or against opinion.

 

But for those asking for more issues, here are some links, beyond the three issues already noted, so that you can make an informed decision:

 

Ramos OP, missing art? Perhaps miss-communication

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=307964&Number=6898144#Post6898144

 

His own convention thread. 9 pages of many complaints due to lack of shipping, lack of communication, etc.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6895944&fpart=1

 

All in all looks like allot of miss-communication, or no communication.

Not keeping up with shipments, or not shipping yet at all.

 

It isn't one instance, two, or three, but many.

 

You've got the Medina OP, the Scottie Young Sig OP, the RAMOS Op (something amiss), and late or no responses to various convention submissions for SS.

 

PL or HOS...you decide.

Regardless there is a common theme that needs to be rectified.

Menace (Jake) might be a great guy and a savvy business man.

But...with all due respect he needs a professional wake-up.

And needs to learn to communicate effectively if he wants to conduct business via these boards.

 

I state this with no malice and wish he and his numerous customers in limbo the best. (thumbs u

 

 

+1

 

You forgot to add the Tony Daniel OP to this list as well. Several issues in this one. None of which were on the artist. Then you had the probation thing which they all got deleted because he was posting personal and paypal info on the boards. Mods deleted most of those before the next morning. And the list goes on.....

 

 

As far as removing him. I did receive my refund. But I do think something else should happen here besides removing him or what is the point?

 

Seems like Menaces problems go a lot further then "Hearsay"

 

For anyone who missed it MENACE is being nominated for the HOS. Vote is on page 1990

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7234272&fpart=1990

[N/A]

Update:

 

Menace did send me a refund this weekend. It only took 5 months. This was not the only problem I had with this same transaction. I purchased numerous Young SS books from his sales thread. After the thread was closed he sent me a pm stating he did not have enough SS Thor 9.8 variants.

 

Hi John,

 

Got you books here. I did not get enough Thor 9.8 books however so I can refund that money or I have the following 9.8 books available if you want one.

 

Uncanny Avengers

Marvel Now Point 1

New Avengers

Captain America

Indestructible Hulk

Avengers Arena

Cable and the X-Force

 

I chose the Uncanny Avengers to replace it. Please beware of future dealings with this boardie. He is very unorganized.

 

So he was pre selling books he couldn't get for sure?

 

I don't think he's the only one that does that here.

 

Maybe he's the only one that falls on his face doing it.

 

I don't think he's the only one here doing that either.

 

 

There's the guys that do it right, like Dre. He has an eye for grades and subs far more than the minimum necessary to make his prescreen and preorders.

 

Then there are the guys who got here, and 5 minutes later are taking unlimited orders for their first convention facilitating.

 

The experience and skill of the chosen provider will determine likelihood of success.

 

Although I agree Dre has an eye he has stated numerous times that he does not sub more than the minimum necessary. I believe he said he rarely adds an extra one if he's unsure. (thumbs u

[N/A]

Regarding Menace, adding to the discourse.

I'm not stating a for or against opinion.

 

But for those asking for more issues, here are some links, beyond the three issues already noted, so that you can make an informed decision:

 

Ramos OP, missing art? Perhaps miss-communication

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=307964&Number=6898144#Post6898144

 

His own convention thread. 9 pages of many complaints due to lack of shipping, lack of communication, etc.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6895944&fpart=1

 

All in all looks like allot of miss-communication, or no communication.

Not keeping up with shipments, or not shipping yet at all.

 

It isn't one instance, two, or three, but many.

 

You've got the Medina OP, the Scottie Young Sig OP, the RAMOS Op (something amiss), and late or no responses to various convention submissions for SS.

 

PL or HOS...you decide.

Regardless there is a common theme that needs to be rectified.

Menace (Jake) might be a great guy and a savvy business man.

But...with all due respect he needs a professional wake-up.

And needs to learn to communicate effectively if he wants to conduct business via these boards.

 

I state this with no malice and wish he and his numerous customers in limbo the best. (thumbs u

 

 

+1

 

You forgot to add the Tony Daniel OP to this list as well. Several issues in this one. None of which were on the artist. Then you had the probation thing which they all got deleted because he was posting personal and paypal info on the boards. Mods deleted most of those before the next morning. And the list goes on.....

 

 

As far as removing him. I did receive my refund. But I do think something else should happen here besides removing him or what is the point?

 

Seems like Menaces problems go a lot further then "Hearsay"

 

For anyone who missed it MENACE is being nominated for the HOS. Vote is on page 1990

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7234272&fpart=1990

 

HOS is overkill. Did you get your new pitchfork from "Mobs R Us"?

[joecgcmaniac]

Regarding Menace, adding to the discourse.

I'm not stating a for or against opinion.

 

But for those asking for more issues, here are some links, beyond the three issues already noted, so that you can make an informed decision:

 

Ramos OP, missing art? Perhaps miss-communication

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=307964&Number=6898144#Post6898144

 

His own convention thread. 9 pages of many complaints due to lack of shipping, lack of communication, etc.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6895944&fpart=1

 

All in all looks like allot of miss-communication, or no communication.

Not keeping up with shipments, or not shipping yet at all.

 

It isn't one instance, two, or three, but many.

 

You've got the Medina OP, the Scottie Young Sig OP, the RAMOS Op (something amiss), and late or no responses to various convention submissions for SS.

 

PL or HOS...you decide.

Regardless there is a common theme that needs to be rectified.

Menace (Jake) might be a great guy and a savvy business man.

But...with all due respect he needs a professional wake-up.

And needs to learn to communicate effectively if he wants to conduct business via these boards.

 

I state this with no malice and wish he and his numerous customers in limbo the best. (thumbs u

 

 

+1

 

You forgot to add the Tony Daniel OP to this list as well. Several issues in this one. None of which were on the artist. Then you had the probation thing which they all got deleted because he was posting personal and paypal info on the boards. Mods deleted most of those before the next morning. And the list goes on.....

 

 

As far as removing him. I did receive my refund. But I do think something else should happen here besides removing him or what is the point?

 

Seems like Menaces problems go a lot further then "Hearsay"

 

For anyone who missed it MENACE is being nominated for the HOS. Vote is on page 1990

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7234272&fpart=1990

 

HOS is overkill. Did you get your new pitchfork from "Mobs R Us"?

 

Yet the numbers aren't lying.

 

81 yes votes 74%

 

29 no votes 26%

 

3 to 1 in favor of the H.O.S.

[joecgcmaniac]

To put the numbers in context, Solarcadet's H.O.S. poll numbers are:

 

79 yes 82%

17 no 18%

 

4 to 1 in favor of nomination

 

 

Both are pretty overwhelming percentages, with over a week to go for both polls.

[N/A]

Yes, a blind poll. Colour me unimpressed. Take a poll in moderns on whether the latest TV rumour will be a smash hit. People love to pile on.

 

 

Here is what I see.

 

Menace took on way too much. I called this the day he joined the boards. For those who wish to research I believe I posted this when he offered multiple opps in the 1st week he joined the boards.

 

So he is now drowning in a pile of commitments and I'll bet he is so overwhelmed that he has no idea what to do next. I'll also bet that he is not organized enough to even have an idea of the full list to be completed.

 

So, as a community we can step on the head of the drowning man or help him out of the water. All I see here is inexperience and not a desire to rip anyone off. Someone asked if holding a buyer's money for 5 months is ripping someone off. No it is not. He was refunded.

 

So long as Menace has a desire and we see an attempt to clear things up then he belongs on the probation list. When all those with an issue decide to write off their time and money then we can all say a collective you and put him in the HOS.

 

Doug Scott offered to help with one issue and there are a few of us that can help with the other opps if need be.

 

I completely understand that some feel disrespected, used, played or lied to but when we don't take intention into account and only the results then who does that leave willing to try?

 

Signature Series and sketch opps can become overwhelming very fast. I probably have more experience than the average submitter and I severely limit the quantity and control who I allow to submit through me. This was learned over time.

[seanfingh]

Yes, a blind poll. Colour me unimpressed. Take a poll in moderns on whether the latest TV rumour will be a smash hit. People love to pile on.

 

 

Here is what I see.

 

Menace took on way too much. I called this the day he joined the boards. For those who wish to research I believe I posted this when he offered multiple opps in the 1st week he joined the boards.

 

So he is now drowning in a pile of commitments and I'll bet he is so overwhelmed that he has no idea what to do next. I'll also bet that he is not organized enough to even have an idea of the full list to be completed.

 

So, as a community we can step on the head of the drowning man or help him out of the water. All I see here is inexperience and not a desire to rip anyone off. Someone asked if holding a buyer's money for 5 months is ripping someone off. No it is not. He was refunded.

 

So long as Menace has a desire and we see an attempt to clear things up then he belongs on the probation list. When all those with an issue decide to write off their time and money then we can all say a collective you and put him in the HOS.

 

Doug Scott offered to help with one issue and there are a few of us that can help with the other opps if need be.

 

I completely understand that some feel disrespected, used, played or lied to but when we don't take intention into account and only the results then who does that leave willing to try?

 

Signature Series and sketch opps can become overwhelming very fast. I probably have more experience than the average submitter and I severely limit the quantity and control who I allow to submit through me. This was learned over time.

 

Is this just a really long winded way of saying "Burn the Witch?" If not, expect it to fall on deaf ears.

[N/A]

Yes, a blind poll. Colour me unimpressed. Take a poll in moderns on whether the latest TV rumour will be a smash hit. People love to pile on.

 

 

Here is what I see.

 

Menace took on way too much. I called this the day he joined the boards. For those who wish to research I believe I posted this when he offered multiple opps in the 1st week he joined the boards.

 

So he is now drowning in a pile of commitments and I'll bet he is so overwhelmed that he has no idea what to do next. I'll also bet that he is not organized enough to even have an idea of the full list to be completed.

 

So, as a community we can step on the head of the drowning man or help him out of the water. All I see here is inexperience and not a desire to rip anyone off. Someone asked if holding a buyer's money for 5 months is ripping someone off. No it is not. He was refunded.

 

So long as Menace has a desire and we see an attempt to clear things up then he belongs on the probation list. When all those with an issue decide to write off their time and money then we can all say a collective you and put him in the HOS.

 

Doug Scott offered to help with one issue and there are a few of us that can help with the other opps if need be.

 

I completely understand that some feel disrespected, used, played or lied to but when we don't take intention into account and only the results then who does that leave willing to try?

 

Signature Series and sketch opps can become overwhelming very fast. I probably have more experience than the average submitter and I severely limit the quantity and control who I allow to submit through me. This was learned over time.

 

Is this just a really long winded way of saying "Burn the Witch?" If not, expect it to fall on deaf ears.

 

I think we can agree on the odds of anything calming the mob but I thought it was worth a try. The HOS is quickly becoming useless as well. I stopped using the "No HoS or Probies" in my sales threads. Although the list of boardies I will not accept any SS subs from has grown tremendously.

[J DUB]

Yes, a blind poll. Colour me unimpressed. Take a poll in moderns on whether the latest TV rumour will be a smash hit. People love to pile on.

 

 

Here is what I see.

 

Menace took on way too much. I called this the day he joined the boards. For those who wish to research I believe I posted this when he offered multiple opps in the 1st week he joined the boards.

 

So he is now drowning in a pile of commitments and I'll bet he is so overwhelmed that he has no idea what to do next. I'll also bet that he is not organized enough to even have an idea of the full list to be completed.

 

So, as a community we can step on the head of the drowning man or help him out of the water. All I see here is inexperience and not a desire to rip anyone off. Someone asked if holding a buyer's money for 5 months is ripping someone off. No it is not. He was refunded.

 

So long as Menace has a desire and we see an attempt to clear things up then he belongs on the probation list. When all those with an issue decide to write off their time and money then we can all say a collective you and put him in the HOS.

 

Doug Scott offered to help with one issue and there are a few of us that can help with the other opps if need be.

 

I completely understand that some feel disrespected, used, played or lied to but when we don't take intention into account and only the results then who does that leave willing to try?

 

Signature Series and sketch opps can become overwhelming very fast. I probably have more experience than the average submitter and I severely limit the quantity and control who I allow to submit through me. This was learned over time.

 

Is this just a really long winded way of saying "Burn the Witch?" If not, expect it to fall on deaf ears.

 

I think we can agree on the odds of anything calming the mob but I thought it was worth a try. The HOS is quickly becoming useless as well. I stopped using the "No HoS or Probies" in my sales threads. Although the list of boardies I will not accept any SS subs from has grown tremendously.

 

In the SS forum, Menace said he never received my email. PM me your email and I can forward you his response to my email. Its not just about getting my refund. I am not going to let him bash me by saying he did not get my emails. He is showing no remorse and needs to man up and tell the truth for once.

[N/A]

Didn't he apologize and refund you?

[J DUB]

Didn't he apologize and refund you?

 

 

Actually, he was so unorganized he refunded JTWpantera first. I received a pm from him saying he received the refund from Menace by mistake this weekend.

[N/A]

Then you see my point.

[DiceX]

The HoS list isn't for unorganized people. It's for crooks.

I don't think Menace is a crook.

 

 

[J DUB]

Then you see my point.

 

Yes. And he did apologize saying he thought he sent out a replacement book.

[N/A]

Then you see my point.

 

Yes. And he did apologize saying he thought he sent out a replacement book.

 

Now, if he continues to try and fix things like he did with you, learns from it and then comes back with a more organized and stress free signature opportunity then wouldn't he be a contributor to the boards? Don't we, as a community, want to have members that actively contribute? If the answer is yes then please understand that the HoS is a permanent scarlet letter that will not allow this to happen. The probation list does.