Manufactured Gold

[Aman619]

unless you meant the disassembly part. sorry.

[shadroch]

Considering the input that Matt Nelson has brought to these boards regarding restoration and dis-assembly he would have to be a hypocrite on a pretty big level to be " the one " doing these Heritage jobs.

 

Why? The impression I've gotten by his lack of response to direct questions is that he'll do work for hire and what the person does with the book afterwards is not his problem.

He's like the bodyshop that repairs damaged cars. If the used car lot misrepresents the finished product,thats not his fault.

[Filter81]

Could you provide us with more detail so we can understand how you reached this conclusion? It's definitely interesting (although not completely surprising) if it's true.

 

Sure. I've been very busy over here lately though (I'm about 400 posts behind on reading this thread) I will put something together but it may take me a couple weeks to find a few hours to sit down and type it all up.

 

Basically (and it will make more sense when I have a chance to go into more detail), some of the books in the thread were bought through Heritage on the same day, others were sold through Heritage on the same day, at least two of them were submitted to CGC on the same invoice.

 

Virtually all of the books Masterchief has pointed out so far were also submitted to CGC with other books. I did a little research regarding all the other books on each of the invoices, and every book on every invoice so far has been purchased by Heritage, re-submitted, and resold through Heritage. Every book on each invoice was purchased in the same Heritage auction as every other book on the invoice.

 

One fact I found interesting, is so far after going through roughly 50 books, the percentage of books that actually did increase in grade upon resubmission is 100%. Also, every green label and purple label that was resubmitted came back blue. Which leads me to believe that if you know what you are doing, you typically aren't taking as big of a chance as was originally thought.

 

(Again I'll put something with more facts and examples together at some point soon, but I just don't have the time right now)

[Forbush-Man]

I hope you get a chance to put the information together soon!

 

 

[Flaming_Telepath]

I did a little research regarding all the other books on each of the invoices, and every book on every invoice so far has been purchased by Heritage, re-submitted, and resold through Heritage.

 

One fact I found interesting, is so far after going through roughly 50 books, the percentage of books that actually did increase in grade upon resubmission is 100%. Also, every green label and purple label that was resubmitted came back blue. Which leads me to believe that if you know what you are doing, you typically aren't taking as big of a chance as was originally thought.

 

Or taking absolutely no chance whatsoever.

 

How can anyone have a 100% success rate on resubs for grade increases? And how on god's green earth can someone have a 100% success rate on turning restored books into Universal label?

[JiveTurkeyMoFo]

I did a little research regarding all the other books on each of the invoices, and every book on every invoice so far has been purchased by Heritage, re-submitted, and resold through Heritage.

 

One fact I found interesting, is so far after going through roughly 50 books, the percentage of books that actually did increase in grade upon resubmission is 100%. Also, every green label and purple label that was resubmitted came back blue. Which leads me to believe that if you know what you are doing, you typically aren't taking as big of a chance as was originally thought.

 

Or taking absolutely no chance whatsoever.

 

How can anyone have a 100% success rate on resubs for grade increases? And how on god's green earth can someone have a 100% success rate on turning restored books into Universal label?

 

What, haven't you been reading? Certification works!!!

 

Apparently a lot better for some then others.

[awe4one]

I did a little research regarding all the other books on each of the invoices, and every book on every invoice so far has been purchased by Heritage, re-submitted, and resold through Heritage.

 

One fact I found interesting, is so far after going through roughly 50 books, the percentage of books that actually did increase in grade upon resubmission is 100%. Also, every green label and purple label that was resubmitted came back blue. Which leads me to believe that if you know what you are doing, you typically aren't taking as big of a chance as was originally thought.

 

Or taking absolutely no chance whatsoever.

 

How can anyone have a 100% success rate on resubs for grade increases? And how on god's green earth can someone have a 100% success rate on turning restored books into Universal label?

 

They don't unless there's some help along the way. And if this is true, and I want to see what Filter has found, can we please do away with the graders NOT knowing who is submitting? It's either that or the comics aren't going through the same process as the normal submitter...

 

Roughly 50 out of 50? All increases or blue label modifications? Yeah...that can happen normally...

 

Jim

[Flaming_Telepath]

I did a little research regarding all the other books on each of the invoices, and every book on every invoice so far has been purchased by Heritage, re-submitted, and resold through Heritage.

 

One fact I found interesting, is so far after going through roughly 50 books, the percentage of books that actually did increase in grade upon resubmission is 100%. Also, every green label and purple label that was resubmitted came back blue. Which leads me to believe that if you know what you are doing, you typically aren't taking as big of a chance as was originally thought.

 

Or taking absolutely no chance whatsoever.

 

How can anyone have a 100% success rate on resubs for grade increases? And how on god's green earth can someone have a 100% success rate on turning restored books into Universal label?

 

They don't unless there some help along the way. And if this is true, and I want to see what Filter has found, can we please do away with the graders NOT knowing who is submitting? It's either that or the comics aren't going through the same process as the normal submitter...

 

Roughly 50 out of 50? All increases or blue label modifications? Yeah...that can happen normally...

 

Jim

 

I still have nightmares about Mr Schmell's box of raw that's stored in the Sarasota vault and pulled out for grading when he gives them a call.

[Theagenes]

I did a little research regarding all the other books on each of the invoices, and every book on every invoice so far has been purchased by Heritage, re-submitted, and resold through Heritage.

 

One fact I found interesting, is so far after going through roughly 50 books, the percentage of books that actually did increase in grade upon resubmission is 100%. Also, every green label and purple label that was resubmitted came back blue. Which leads me to believe that if you know what you are doing, you typically aren't taking as big of a chance as was originally thought.

 

Or taking absolutely no chance whatsoever.

 

How can anyone have a 100% success rate on resubs for grade increases? And how on god's green earth can someone have a 100% success rate on turning restored books into Universal label?

 

I think I just threw up a little bit.

[Red Hook]

All the more reason why CGC should stop and run in the other direction instead of joining promotional forces with an expert restoration artist, as they did with the launch of the Central Valley Collection. It looks bad. Actually, it looks terrible in my opinion.

 

http://www.comicpedigrees.com/central-valley.htm

 

http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/scoop_article.asp?ai=13242&si=121

[tth2]

All the more reason why CGC should stop and run in the other direction instead of joining promotional forces with an expert restoration artist, as they did with the launch of the Central Valley Collection. It looks bad. Actually, it looks terrible in my opinion.

 

http://www.comicpedigrees.com/central-valley.htm

 

http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/scoop_article.asp?ai=13242&si=121

What is Matt`s role with the Central Valley Collection other than publicizing it on his site? The Scoop article says "the famous Central Valley Collection, unveiled at San Diego Comic Con this summer. Owned by Brian Peets of A-1 Comics in Sacramento California," and on the comicpedigrees website, the sale page tells people interested in buying to contact Brian. At SD, Brian had the books at his booth and I don`t recall seeing Matt hanging around proprietarily or even trying to drum up interest in the collection.

 

The comicpedigrees website also promotes the D collection and the McLaughlin collection, which we know Matt has no ownership of.

[mica]

You should call him and ask.

[Red Hook]

1+1=2

[Aman619]

All the more reason why CGC should stop and run in the other direction instead of joining promotional forces with an expert restoration artist, as they did with the launch of the Central Valley Collection. It looks bad. Actually, it looks terrible in my opinion.

 

http://www.comicpedigrees.com/central-valley.htm

 

http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/scoop_article.asp?ai=13242&si=121

What is Matt`s role with the Central Valley Collection other than publicizing it on his site? The Scoop article says "the famous Central Valley Collection, unveiled at San Diego Comic Con this summer. Owned by Brian Peets of A-1 Comics in Sacramento California," and on the comicpedigrees website, the sale page tells people interested in buying to contact Brian. At SD, Brian had the books at his booth and I don`t recall seeing Matt hanging around proprietarily or even trying to drum up interest in the collection.

 

The comicpedigrees website also promotes the D collection and the McLaughlin collection, which we know Matt has no ownership of.

 

[Red Hook]

•I couldn't find any mention of the McLaughlin Mile Highs on the site.

 

•The Crippen D page eventually sends you to a link of sales on Heritage.

 

•I have yet to see a photo of scan of a single Central Valley book in a slab.

 

Anyone?

 

•Also, site mentions Brian Peets has not decided how or when he will sell the collection.

[Aman619]

[adams]

anyone purchase one of these yet ?

 

or are the marketing tom-toms still being beaten ?

Steve Wyatt lives in the Central Valley...I wonder

if he knows anything about these.

[ciorac]

All the more reason why CGC should stop and run in the other direction instead of joining promotional forces with an expert restoration artist, as they did with the launch of the Central Valley Collection. It looks bad. Actually, it looks terrible in my opinion.

 

http://www.comicpedigrees.com/central-valley.htm

 

http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/scoop_article.asp?ai=13242&si=121

 

What is it that troubles you? That the ones that could be improved, were improved, prior to slabbation, (Just made that word up, thought it sounded cool), and received a blue label?

[Matt Nelson]

•I couldn't find any mention of the McLaughlin Mile Highs on the site.

 

•The Crippen D page eventually sends you to a link of sales on Heritage.

 

•I have yet to see a photo of scan of a single Central Valley book in a slab.

 

Anyone?

 

•Also, site mentions Brian Peets has not decided how or when he will sell the collection.

 

Brad, no mystery here. I didn't have time to put up info on the McLaughlin books before Heritage ran the auction. Brian has gotten all of the Central Valley books graded, and the CGC grades are listed on my website next to each book. Do you need me to have Brian send you scans of each book so you'll settle down?

 

Brian has not decided how to sell the collection, although I think he may be considering letting a few books go here and there. When he's ready to put prices on the books, I hope to have those prices listed on the comicpedigrees page for everyone.

 

And let me burst the bubble for you guys now. comicpedigrees.com will be selling comic books on a regular basis for everyone who's interested. This is not a shill website for me to pass off pressed books, as I'm sure some of you will accuse me of. My partner Stephen Ritter and I (and Mark and West at CGC) are hard at work on the pedigree book, which should be coming out by next summer. This website is our brainchild, and we will be putting a lot of time and effort into expanding it in the coming years. The book is only the beginning.

 

Any pedigree news at all will be passing through our site. Whether it's just a mere mention of something (Metro's Mile High Pep run), or an entire collection for sale, it will be on the site. Just because I'm involved doesn't mean every book on the site is pressed. That's like assuming every book on Comiclink is pressed if you think Josh presses. But you are certainly welcome to inquire about any book you're interested in purchasing. I have always been willing to disclose that information when asked.

 

And let me save you some suspense. There will be D books, McLaughlin books, etc. showing up in higher grades everywhere in the future. There are all kinds of people buying these books who know the rules of the game, and will excercise their options if they want to. Like it or hate it, but expect it.

[ciorac]

•I couldn't find any mention of the McLaughlin Mile Highs on the site.

 

•The Crippen D page eventually sends you to a link of sales on Heritage.

 

•I have yet to see a photo of scan of a single Central Valley book in a slab.

 

Anyone?

 

•Also, site mentions Brian Peets has not decided how or when he will sell the collection.

 

Brad, no mystery here. I didn't have time to put up info on the McLaughlin books before Heritage ran the auction. Brian has gotten all of the Central Valley books graded, and the CGC grades are listed on my website next to each book. Do you need me to have Brian send you scans of each book so you'll settle down?

 

Brian has not decided how to sell the collection, although I think he may be considering letting a few books go here and there. When he's ready to put prices on the books, I hope to have those prices listed on the comicpedigrees page for everyone.

 

And let me burst the bubble for you guys now. comicpedigrees.com will be selling comic books on a regular basis for everyone who's interested. This is not a shill website for me to pass off pressed books, as I'm sure some of you will accuse me of. My partner Stephen Ritter and I (and Mark and West at CGC) are hard at work on the pedigree book, which should be coming out by next summer. This website is our brainchild, and we will be putting a lot of time and effort into expanding it in the coming years. The book is only the beginning.

 

Any pedigree news at all will be passing through our site. Whether it's just a mere mention of something (Metro's Mile High Pep run), or an entire collection for sale, it will be on the site. Just because I'm involved doesn't mean every book on the site is pressed. That's like assuming every book on Comiclink is pressed if you think Josh presses. But you are certainly welcome to inquire about any book you're interested in purchasing. I have always been willing to disclose that information when asked.

 

And let me save you some suspense. There will be D books, McLaughlin books, etc. showing up in higher grades everywhere in the future. There are all kinds of people buying these books who know the rules of the game, and will excercise their options if they want to. Like it or hate it, but expect it.

 

Very forthright response Mr. Nelson!