showcase22gr1959 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 (edited) back to the list and the possibility of a 9.2 or 9.4 copy - - -where is the Bethlehem copy? that run was pretty nice overall. No reason to expect the 22 to be subpar. When the run was available around 10 years ago, the 22 was already gone. I purchased the Bethlehem copies of SC 29 - 32 about 10 years ago. I still have the 30 and 31. I know the 22 was not offered to me because I would have grabbed it. Do you know who brought the Bethlehems to market ? I got my copies from a Canadian dealer. The Bethlehem collection was found by a dealer Joe Rainone. Anybody has a complete list of the Bethlehem collection ? Anybody with the Bethlehem SC22 please stand up! Edited September 7, 2009 by showcase22gr1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peewee22 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 back to the list and the possibility of a 9.2 or 9.4 copy - - -where is the Bethlehem copy? that run was pretty nice overall. No reason to expect the 22 to be subpar. When the run was available around 10 years ago, the 22 was already gone. I purchased the Bethlehem copies of SC 29 - 32 about 10 years ago. I still have the 30 and 31. I know the 22 was not offered to me because I would have grabbed it. Do you know who brought the Bethlehems to market ? I got my copies from a Canadian dealer. The Bethlehem collection was found by a dealer Joe Rainone. Anybody has a complete list of the Bethlehem collection ? Anybody with the Bethlehem SC22 please stand up! I know Joe. But I did not know there was a #22 in the Bethlehem run. Nicest copy I ever saw was sold by Joe in the 'ole Comics Buyers Guide (CBG) back in the early 90s. Was a VF/NM, went for $1000, but looked much better. Who knows where that book is today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Captain Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 back to the list and the possibility of a 9.2 or 9.4 copy - - -where is the Bethlehem copy? that run was pretty nice overall. No reason to expect the 22 to be subpar. When the run was available around 10 years ago, the 22 was already gone. Could anyone else confirm there is a SC22 Bethlehem copy? Some notable Bethlehem keys: SC8 8.0, SC 9 8.0, SC13 9.0, SC24 9.0. There is a possibility, but it's a long shot. With CREAM "makes me scream" pages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoundCityAuctions Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 (edited) No...now that's the bar for a 5.5 that all other valuations will be based on...unfortunate for those of us still looking for a copy or two...though I'm sure this final price will seem cheap 6 months from now... Maybe this high price may bring a few more 5.0's or 6.0's out. I think $15000-20000 for the 8.0 Mound City copy looks reasonable now. Define "reasonable"! This book is currently driven by supply and demand. Collectors now recognizes that SC 22 page quality is normally crm/ow. This particular 5.5 has off-white pages, and as detective27kid said " On sc22 pq is a big deal if you are looking for a separating quality over other copies". This copy deserves a premium...but $3803.64??? Regarding the Mound City 8.0, this is the only publicly high grade copy available for sale and the rest is tucked away in collections. Below are examples of other notable Silver Age keys sales which I have mentioned before. Let's use BB 28 and Avengers 1 as a comparison. The 3rd highest graded BB 28 (which there is five) sold in Comiclink for $21000. Also, let's use Avengers 1 as a comparison. A 8.0 (5th highest and 23 copies) sold in CL for $26000 and a 9.0 (4th highest and ten copies) for $20000 again in CL. Showcase 22 is in high demand and there are less high grade copies available compare to their counterparts. Man, the 5.5 got almost $4k....I can't even guess what the Mound copy will bring now. Tim (tth2), any thoughts on what you think that 8.0 Mound may bring at auction? I couldn`t even guess. The market is way too fluid for this book right now, plus I really don`t follow prices of non-NM books. I guess it wouldn`t surprise me if this book broke the $10K mark, but that`s about all i can say. I can agree with that (thumbs u It will be interesting to see where the Mound City copy ends up. Most (all?) of us here agree that it is not an 8.0 book, but that is what the label says. My guess is that it sets a new record (can it top the price paid for the 9.0s?) for SC #22 IF it gets sufficient exposure since a lot of (or most of) collectors will pay for the CGC grade, not the book in the holder. The only thing I can see that might hurt the price a bit is that they are doing the auction themselves and not on one of the big three sites (Clink, CC or Heritage). I hope I get to prove you wrong on the last part! The fact that (other than sending my son to Chicago, and a google adwords campaign) I have not started advertising this sale yet and still we have some of what seem to me (I admit my opinion dosen't count for much) to be the top collectors in the country chatting about a collection of 3000+ books when we have not even finished putting the information for the first 100 books online, says I might be doing something right. OK that was a run on sentance and I lose 20 points. Now back to work. Rob Lite is updating our google doc with the grades, and CGC facts, I am updating the auctionzip site and the website. By the way if you have not discovered auctionzip yet you need to give it a look. We use it for all of our auctions and it is great. You can use it for free to find local auctions in your area (hince the zip part of the name). If you pay a very small fee (I am not connected with them so I get no part of the fee) you can search 14,000 auctioneers auctions. Imagine if you did a search on say green lantern. You might find a treasure at a local auction. Just a thought, and now I have given back a small tid bit for all the help you fine folks have given me. enjoy. Rob Edited September 7, 2009 by MoundCityAuctions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 (edited) back to the list and the possibility of a 9.2 or 9.4 copy - - -where is the Bethlehem copy? that run was pretty nice overall. No reason to expect the 22 to be subpar. When the run was available around 10 years ago, the 22 was already gone. Could anyone else confirm there is a SC22 Bethlehem copy? Some notable Bethlehem keys: SC8 8.0, SC 9 8.0, SC13 9.0, SC24 9.0. There is a possibility, but it's a long shot. With CREAM "makes me scream" pages Yes, this is the case for SC 24...the usual ice "cream" pages. Edited September 7, 2009 by showcase22gr1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 If anyone has a SC24 7.5 or higher in egg "white" pages, let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted September 8, 2009 Author Share Posted September 8, 2009 (edited) It will be interesting to see where the Mound City copy ends up. Most (all?) of us here agree that it is not an 8.0 book, but that is what the label says. My guess is that it sets a new record (can it top the price paid for the 9.0s?) for SC #22 IF it gets sufficient exposure since a lot of (or most of) collectors will pay for the CGC grade, not the book in the holder. The only thing I can see that might hurt the price a bit is that they are doing the auction themselves and not on one of the big three sites (Clink, CC or Heritage). I hope I get to prove you wrong on the last part! The fact that (other than sending my son to Chicago, and a google adwords campaign) I have not started advertising this sale yet and still we have some of what seem to me (I admit my opinion dosen't count for much) to be the top collectors in the country chatting about a collection of 3000+ books when we have not even finished putting the information for the first 100 books online, says I might be doing something right. OK that was a run on sentance and I lose 20 points. Now back to work. Rob Lite is updating our google doc with the grades, and CGC facts, I am updating the auctionzip site and the website. By the way if you have not discovered auctionzip yet you need to give it a look. We use it for all of our auctions and it is great. You can use it for free to find local auctions in your area (hince the zip part of the name). If you pay a very small fee (I am not connected with them so I get no part of the fee) you can search 14,000 auctioneers auctions. Imagine if you did a search on say green lantern. You might find a treasure at a local auction. Just a thought, and now I have given back a small tid bit for all the help you fine folks have given me. enjoy. Rob I truly hope that you top $20K with this book in the auction on your site, but I would expect that there were a lot of potential buyers for it who were not a Chicago and primarily get their books through one of the big three comic auction sites instead. While there are a lot of deep pockets on the boards here (and at least one of them is going to be bidding on your book (thumbs u ), we are but a small piece of the collecting landscape. The big three sites I mentioned have long established reputations and client lists, and some of them might not be aware of it. However, don't be surprised if representatives from their organizations are bidding on the book to re-sell/re-auction on their sites. I don't know how difficult (or costly) it is to do this, but I wonder if you could take bids via an eBay live auction for the week running up to your auction like Heritage does. This would help to get you global exposure for a very significant collection of SA books at hopefully a fraction of the normal advertising costs. Edited September 8, 2009 by kimik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoundCityAuctions Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Ebay live got out of the live auction business as of 12, 2008. Proxibid and iCollector now rule the roost for on-line bidding both before and during the auction. We will not only be using proxibid and icollector before the auction we will be stream live video and audio via at least proxibid. iCollector was the provider of service for the ebay live auctions for HA before they built their own front end and as such as plenty of access to who the buyers were at HA. I plan on doing a marketing campaign to their bidders. While I understand the value of this board I also understand google groups, usenet and lots of other ways of finding bidders. I think I'll be OK. If you can't make the auction just bid online! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoundCityAuctions Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 We are planning on having live internet bidding provided through both iCollector as well as Proxibid. We are in the process of developing the final catalog now, and it should be ready for uploading within a couple of weeks. Once the catalog is live on those sites, pre-bids can be accepted on the lots in the auction from either site. So, while it isn't eBay (which, AFAIK has discontinued its "eBay live" platform) it works in the same fashion. And believe me, we will let you guys know when the pre-bidding can happen on the lots in this auction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoundCityAuctions Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Okay dad, way to reply to the thread I'm replying to at the same time I'm doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 that was a little "weird" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Metropolis Comics has a SC22 6.5 crm/ow pages, which may be up for auction in Comic Connect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted September 8, 2009 Author Share Posted September 8, 2009 Very nice. Is it on the website or going straight to auction? Should bring $5K plus in that condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 (edited) Very nice. Is it on the website or going straight to auction? Should bring $5K plus in that condition. Time will tell and we should know soon. I'm not going to add this copy to the high grade list because I suspect it's the ComicLink 6.5 crm/ow copy. Updated list 9/08/09 Top high grade sales and holders of CGC Showcase 22: 9.0 Heritage auction ow 9.0 ComicLink auction ow 8.5 Nicolas Cage Heritage auction crm/ow 8.5 Doc Joe from threads crm/ow 8.0 Mound City crm/ow (4th copy not in CGC census yet) 8.0 Metropolis Comics private sale 8.0 Private collector 8.0 Private collector 7.5 Peewee from threads ow/w 7.5 Palamas from threads crm/ow 7.5 Private collector 7.5 Private collector 7.0 SilverRich from threads crm/ow 7.0 Heritage auction crm/ow 7.0 ComicLink crm/ow 7.0 ComicLink lt/ow 7.0 Private collector 7.0 Private collector 7.0 Private collector 7.0 Private collector 7.0 Private collector 6.5 ComicLink ow/w 6.5 ComicLink ow 6.5 ComicLink crm/ow 6.0 Showcase22gr1959 from thread white 6.0 M. Wilson (dizneyart) ebay auction ow/w 6.0 Heritage auction crm/ow 6.0 Private collector 6.0 Private collector 6.0 Private collector 6.0 Private collector 6.0 Private collector 6.0 Private collector Record sales 2009 7.5 $10500.00 5.5 $3803.64 4.0 $1700.00 Edited September 8, 2009 by showcase22gr1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted September 8, 2009 Author Share Posted September 8, 2009 Wow. When you look at the book based on this list you truly appreciate how hard it is to find a nice mid grade copy, let alone a high grade one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Wow. When you look at the book based on this list you truly appreciate how hard it is to find a nice mid grade copy, let alone a high grade one. I''ve sent a raw high grade copy to get graded recently...and I'm hoping for 8.0, 8.5 or a 9.0. Keeping my fingers cross for the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted September 8, 2009 Author Share Posted September 8, 2009 Wow. When you look at the book based on this list you truly appreciate how hard it is to find a nice mid grade copy, let alone a high grade one. I''ve sent a raw high grade copy to get graded recently...and I'm hoping for 8.0, 8.5 or a 9.0. Keeping my fingers cross for the outcome. Very nice. Have you had it for a while or is it a recent acquisition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Wow. When you look at the book based on this list you truly appreciate how hard it is to find a nice mid grade copy, let alone a high grade one. I''ve sent a raw high grade copy to get graded recently...and I'm hoping for 8.0, 8.5 or a 9.0. Keeping my fingers cross for the outcome. Very nice. Have you had it for a while or is it a recent acquisition? I had this high grade SC22 for a while and a a few dozens silver age/bronze spideys I ve sent out to get graded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted September 8, 2009 Author Share Posted September 8, 2009 Wow. When you look at the book based on this list you truly appreciate how hard it is to find a nice mid grade copy, let alone a high grade one. I''ve sent a raw high grade copy to get graded recently...and I'm hoping for 8.0, 8.5 or a 9.0. Keeping my fingers cross for the outcome. Very nice. Have you had it for a while or is it a recent acquisition? I had this high grade SC22 for a while and a a few dozens silver age/bronze spideys I ve sent out to get graded. I see. One good book (SC 22) along with the junk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 (edited) Wow. When you look at the book based on this list you truly appreciate how hard it is to find a nice mid grade copy, let alone a high grade one. I''ve sent a raw high grade copy to get graded recently...and I'm hoping for 8.0, 8.5 or a 9.0. Keeping my fingers cross for the outcome. Very nice. Have you had it for a while or is it a recent acquisition? I had this high grade SC22 for a while and a a few dozens silver age/bronze spideys I ve sent out to get graded. I see. One good book (SC 22) along with the junk. Some of these JUNK spideys may be top on the CGC census. Edited September 8, 2009 by showcase22gr1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
