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Would this even grade CGC ??

Started by Smittys,

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The_Captain

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Pgx is known for declaring restored or trimmed books unrestored.

 

This means, if you send the book to cgc, there is a very, very big chance, it might turn out to be trimmed or with any other kind of restoration.

No must be, but there is a very big chance.

 

Book looks very nice thoguh (thumbs u

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namisgr

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The books passed off as 'file copies' by Fantazia many years ago were indeed frauds. On the other hand, books like Smitty's are not these fraudulent 'file copies', but instead have Eastern Press file covers. Many early sixties Marvels were printed along with covers that were never machine-trimmed or stapled to interiors, but rather stored away unblemished and oversized. Many of these were later hand-trimmed and married to interiors. They garner green labels from CGC. They don't have the fake rubber stamp on the splash page that was part of the "file copy" fraud.

 

Mark Wilson has acquired and sold over the years a bunch of these married books with Eastern Press covers. Here's what he says about them on his website:

"The file copy covers surfaced back in the late 1980's and sold quickly at an average of triple guide. They were the first runs off the press and consequently the colors are deeper, richer, sharper, and more glossy than the circulated examples... To be clear, this is NOT a restored item but is an uncirculated cover attached to an interior."

 

Here are a couple of examples of married books with Eastern Press file copy covers. The covers are stunning, the cleanest, whitest and brightest examples I've ever seen:

 

JIM84tif.jpg

 

ST108.jpg

 

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comicwiz

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If nothing else, the Eastern Press story is IMHO an historically important part of this hobby's history, despite the fact it was made famous for all the things gone wrong about the hobby. Because they are for the most part rejected, there is still something intriguing about the accessibility of frauds, counterfeits and replicas in open market that will always make them desirable and worth buying purely for the stories. Where it gets complicated is when people are unable to tell the difference and pay a price for something which is supposed to be the real thing, but turns out to be a fake. If these were sold at comparable to VG or even FN values I wouldn't hesitate buying them. That JIM 84 is exceptional!

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trmoore54

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The books passed off as 'file copies' by Fantazia many years ago were indeed frauds. On the other hand, books like Smitty's are not these fraudulent 'file copies', but instead have Eastern Press file covers. Many early sixties Marvels were printed along with covers that were never machine-trimmed or stapled to interiors, but rather stored away unblemished and oversized. Many of these were later hand-trimmed and married to interiors. They garner green labels from CGC. They don't have the fake rubber stamp on the splash page that was part of the "file copy" fraud.

 

Mark Wilson has acquired and sold over the years a bunch of these married books with Eastern Press covers. Here's what he says about them on his website:

"The file copy covers surfaced back in the late 1980's and sold quickly at an average of triple guide. They were the first runs off the press and consequently the colors are deeper, richer, sharper, and more glossy than the circulated examples... To be clear, this is NOT a restored item but is an uncirculated cover attached to an interior."

 

Here are a couple of examples of married books with Eastern Press file copy covers. The covers are stunning, the cleanest, whitest and brightest examples I've ever seen:

 

JIM84tif.jpg

 

ST108.jpg

 

Thanks for the history lesson Bob! AWESOME! :headbang:

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