Re-submitted AF#15, Got Downgraded

[wolv55-migration]

I sent a 5.0 AF15 back to CGC because the plastic holder was a bit damaged. In my limited opinion (obviously very limited, in hindsight), I also thought the book was under-graded so I opted to have it re-graded as well. It was first graded in 2008 (by its previous owner) and as far as I could tell nothing had been done since to degrade the initial 5.0. I'm not going to post pics, but images of this particular copy have circulated on these boards before and many members thought it could deserve 0.5-1.0 higher, and at the least, it was the best 5.0 they had ever seen.

 

I just found out through online tracking that it is now has a 4.5.

 

I still love the book, but it will depress me a bit every time I now look at it. Lesson learned, be careful when re-submitting. I obviously had no idea what I was doing. When I sent it back in, I didn't crack the slab open. Maybe CGC is jabbing me a bit for questioning their initial grade, given it was only done 2 years ago? There is no shaken comic syndrome and page quality was designated the same as before.

 

Anyone think it's worth it to get on the phone with the new grader to see what caused the knock down?

 

[JerryZ]

A friend of mine had a similar experience..he had an All Star,The # slips me now, it was graded 6.0 OLD label..He sent the case in with the book and it came back a 5.0..

 

I dont get it either..Resubbing is always a gamble IMO

[mschmidt]

Maybe CGC is jabbing me a bit for questioning their initial grade, given it was only done 2 years ago? There is no shaken comic syndrome and page quality was designated the same as before.

 

Anyone think it's worth it to get on the phone with the new grader to see what caused the knock down?

 

If you send an already-slabbed book to CGC for re-grading, the slab gets removed in Receiving - once the book is in the hands of the graders they'd have no way of knowing whether it was previously slabbed or not.

[TFL-migration]

If the number on the slab bugs you. Simply take it out of the slab and put it into a acid free fullback and a nice mylar. Problem solved.....

[wolv55-migration]

Thanks for the feedback.

 

The online status still says "Graded", I'm praying for the hail mary and hope somehow the CGC gods will pity me with a bump back up to 5.0 before the grade is finalized.

 

Has anyone had their grade changed either up or down from the intial grade online to when the book gets shipped?

 

I guess I should be happy it didn't come back purple label...

[Jeffro.]

Maybe CGC is jabbing me a bit for questioning their initial grade, given it was only done 2 years ago?

 

 

No. They aren't in business to take it personally because someone re-subs a book and then take that out on the re-subber.

[TFL-migration]

Very doubtful the grade will get changed. The grade is just the opinion of The CGC. It isn't always the correct grade for a book. There not 100% perfect all the time. Either the book stays in the slab or it goes into a mylar/board. Or you could send it in yet again!!

[etanick]

unlikely. I have never heard of a grade change at this stage.

[Spider-Variant]

In a perfect system, it would have came back a 5.0. But a half point variance (either up or down) would not be bad. So, for all the stories I hear of books getting resubmitted for a better grade, we should theoretically hear the same number of downgrades as well if the grading process is in statistical control (yeah, probably a long stretch on that one).

 

 

[LloydJBailey]

It's a damn shame, but there's not much you can do - I don't think i'd bother re-subbin' it again, I think it'd just enjoy it and think of it as a 5.0 in a 4.5 case

[Bomber-Bob]

Did you receive the book in a damaged slab ? If the physical slab is damaged there is always the possibility of damage to the book. For an expensive book like this you probably should have let the seller handle it as reholder.

Though I would call CGC for grader's notes I doubt you will change their mind about the grade. As Michael stated, the Grader's don't open up the slabs and they don't know it is a resubmit. Undoubtly you will have to resubmit it again. Wait for an onsite grading at a future convention.

 

[mschmidt]

In a perfect system, it would have came back a 5.0. But a half point variance (either up or down) would not be bad. So, for all the stories I hear of books getting resubmitted for a better grade, we should theoretically hear the same number of downgrades as well if the grading process is in statistical control (yeah, probably a long stretch on that one).

 

 

Not really, though - this book was out of CGC's hands for at least a year and a half, and the book could easily have suffered damage in the slab to warrant the grade drop.

[Fedoraman]

If the number on the slab bugs you. Simply take it out of the slab and put it into a acid free fullback and a nice mylar. Problem solved.....

 

+1

 

Or

 

Re-sub the book in a year or so, it could come back as a 5.5

 

 

[wolv55-migration]

Not that I'm going to do this any time soon, but if you re-subbed, would most people crack the slab first?

[Spider-Variant]

In a perfect system, it would have came back a 5.0. But a half point variance (either up or down) would not be bad. So, for all the stories I hear of books getting resubmitted for a better grade, we should theoretically hear the same number of downgrades as well if the grading process is in statistical control (yeah, probably a long stretch on that one).

 

 

Not really, though - this book was out of CGC's hands for at least a year and a half, and the book could easily have suffered damage in the slab to warrant the grade drop.

 

Yes, good point about damage. That should actually increase the number of downgraded books reported in the world, I just don't seem to hear about them as frequently as upgrades.

 

 

[KryptoSpidey]

...press it

[divad]

In a perfect system, it would have came back a 5.0. But a half point variance (either up or down) would not be bad. So, for all the stories I hear of books getting resubmitted for a better grade, we should theoretically hear the same number of downgrades as well if the grading process is in statistical control (yeah, probably a long stretch on that one).

 

 

Not really, though - this book was out of CGC's hands for at least a year and a half, and the book could easily have suffered damage in the slab to warrant the grade drop.

 

Perhaps, but more likely the 3 graders that looked at it this time just thought it was a 4.5 . . .

[divad]

There is no shaken comic syndrome

 

Seriously doubt that the type of damage caused by SCS would have any impact on 5.0 book.

[Hero Restoration]

Crack it, press it, resub it. I am not a big fan of CP&R myself but this book is lower grade and got that .5 drop which is money lost so I don't see the harm in leveling the system out a notch.

[marmat]

It's really a shame, but like Bomber Bob said, the best is attending a big con and resubmit on site. There you can ask the graders if it's a good move to crack the slab again.