Stop the Insanity!!!

[FlyingDonut]

Any questions?

 

just one - do the months go UP or DOWN? (is the last one in the list January or December?)

[joe_collector]

That data is WRONG, as you're only posting the monthly averages. I know for a fact that there were higher 8.5 and lower 9.2 sales than show up in the "smoothed out" averages.

 

Answer the question and show some backbone for once.

[drbanner]

Any questions?

 

just one - do the months go UP or DOWN? (is the last one in the list January or December?)

 

January listed first...

[joe_collector]

Is this some ruse to get me to sign up with GPA, just so we can finally get the real individual sales data?

[drbanner]

That data is WRONG...

 

As the thread title requests, I'll stop the insanity here Joe...you've embarassed yourself enough already.

 

 

[joe_collector]

Other way around banner, as you're obviously afraid to post the real hi/low sales data, and risk showing the true side of the coin.

 

Anyone who buys and sells anything based on "monthly averages" is a insufficiently_thoughtful_person. The CGC market, like the stock market, is incredibly volatile, and prices can change on a daily or weekly basis.

 

If you want to maximize your sale revenue, you "pull a gman", follow the trends closely, and strike when the iron's hot.

[comicmankev]

[joe_collector]

Someone peed in banner's cereal this morning, and he's obviously picked me as his target.

[comicmankev]

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[FlyingDonut]

Current Sales

I don't have GPA. Here are the latest sales for the month:

 

Hulk 181 9.2 1096.00 2/3

Hulk 181 9.2 1125.00 2/8

Hulk 181 9.2 1324.00 2/10 (reserve not met/Dallas Stephens)

Hulk 181 9.2 $840 current, ends 2/15

 

Hulk 181 8.5 no bids at $899.99, ended 2/5

Hulk 181 8.5 no bids at $869.95 current

 

Historical Data/Hulk 181 sales

I have been trying to figure out how, given the GPA average prices for 8.5 and 9.2, that there could have been an 8.5 that sold for more than a 9.2. I just don't see it, unless there was a HUGE outlier somewhere.

 

January: 9.2 80% higher than 8.5

February: 48%

March: 88%

April 73%

May 109%

June 85%

July 84%

August 54%

September 79%

October 52%

November 57%

December 90%

 

Maybe a single sale in February or October, but I can't see how it would have happened over the past year. Again, I don't have the individual sales data, and am only going from the past sales average, but I just don't see how it is possible, given the (relatively) small universe of sales.

[OldGuy]

It's pretty obvious that you're mincing words, side-stepping questions, and just plain trying to do a Mmmarvel/Marvelous act (are they your shills?) and tick me off.

 

He's stating facts and has data to back them up. Your stating opinion and have nothing to back it up.

 

Just admit your wrong and maybe you'll walk away with some some credibil........never mind.

[joe_collector]

I have been trying to figure out how, given the GPA average prices for 8.5 and 9.2, that there could have been an 8.5 that sold for more than a 9.2. I just don't see it, unless there was a HUGE outlier somewhere.

 

That's not what I'm saying, but I do know there was a specific point in time (Darth, myself and few others were talking about it) that CGC 8.5 copies were selling for an insane premium, and then later on, prices fell back and 9.2's crept within striking distance of that mark. This was also the subject of much debate, and some felt that 9.2 prices could even sink below $1K.

 

The number $950-$1000 and $1000-$1050 come to mind as to potential prices for the CGC 8.5 and 9.2 examples. It was definitely striking distance, and amounted to nearly a clean flip (along with some change in your wallet) for an 8.5 to 9.2 upgrade.

 

Obviously there was some merit to this, or I'd have been slammed to high heaven the MOMENT I POSTED this, and not many months later when memories fade.

[joe_collector]

He's stating facts and has data to back them up. Your stating opinion and have nothing to back it up.

 

 

Here's what I want, and I have asked for SPECIFIC SALES DATA many times:

 

The Monthly High Sales Value for Hulk 181 CGC 8.5 (Sept 2002 to present)

 

The Monthly Low Sales Value for Hulk 181 CGC 9.2 (Sept 2002 to present)

 

Posting insufficiently_thoughtful_person averages are meaningless and insulting, and right up there with buying and selling stocks based on the monthly averages.

[sfilosa]

Quick Point:

 

Even if a 8.5 had sold for more than a 9.2 at one time, you would actually need to see the sales to determine PAGE QUALITY.

 

It really wouldn't surprise me to see an 8.5 with White Pages, sell for something close to a 9.2 with Cream to Off-white pages (as many collectors completely shun these book especially if they are Bronze-Age).

 

Not saying it did, but that is one of the flaws of using GPAnalysis (which I subscribe to).

[Marvelous]

Any more questions?

 

Yeah, I got one:

 

Don't you think you raped me enough with those crappy books you sent me, without beating a dead horse on my "stated 8.5 in an EARLIER POST, then mistakenly wrote 8.0 the other day"?

 

If you want to see some "clerical errors", give me the go-ahead to post some scans.

 

This is really pathetic. DrBanner has already proven you wrong on the issue at hand. Instead of taking it like a man you try to muddy the waters by changing the subject to some passed transaction between you two which at the time you were perfectly satisfied with, but now say otherwise. Like I said before Zero credibility.

[Lantern]

The bulk of JC's posts in this thread are laughable at best.

 

I cannot believe that JC expects the other forum readers to take his unsubstantiated opinion as gospel truth, especially with zero quantitative proof to support any of it. Secondary to that, when drbanner posts hard evidence, at the behest of JC no less, it is then refuted as being wrong. What did JC use to support the claims that it is wrong, nothing but his written opinion. So, I am to understand and accept the fact that JC's opinion is more trust worthy than hard data. If that is the case then that assumption is nothing more than a slap in the face to all of the people that read these forums.

 

The real reason that I am making this post is due to the attacks JC has begun to make on drbanner. I have purchased countless raw books from Mike in the past and everyone of them has been accurately graded. There are countless lurkers and watchers that read these forums and they should not be mislead into thinking that Mike cannot grade. Ultimatley, Mikes grading is not the issue here and has been brought up as a futile attempt at misdirection and drawing attention away from the real issue at hand.

 

Just my .02

[joe_collector]

This is really pathetic. DrBanner has already proven you wrong on the issue at hand.

 

hey, it's banner's latest shill heard from.

[Marvelous]

This is really pathetic. DrBanner has already proven you wrong on the issue at hand.

 

hey, it's banner's latest shill heard from.

 

I don't know the guy JC. Once again you try to divert the attention away from the issue at hand. I really could care less about what flames you throw at me, but you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to knock down a guys sales reputation on these boards.

[OldGuy]

I have purchased countless raw books from Mike in the past and everyone of them has been accurately graded.

 

Me to. Mike could teach a class on grading. Most of the books I've bought from Mike have been sight unseen and I've never been anything other then delighted with his grading. I won't buy a CGC book sight unseen, but no problem from Mike.

[joe_collector]

Me to. Mike could teach a class on grading. Most of the books I've bought from Mike have been sight unseen and I've never been anything other then delighted with his grading. I won't buy a CGC book sight unseen, but no problem from Mike.

 

Exactly, and I've heard nothing but good things about banner's grading.

 

But what happened between us has absolutely nothing to do with his ability to grade.