'Approved Seller' Status

[seanfingh]

If you want to sell in this community, adopt the community rules.

 

 

I agree and I think most people do.

The issue is when you try to politely point out a problem in a seller's thread and then all of his apologists jump in and dogpile you because you had the temerity to *gasp* point out the rules!!!! Heaven forfend.

 

(thumbs u Yes, participating in the "policing ourselves" manner can be a thrill a minute!! Not for the squeamish or faint of heart!!.

 

Policing can also be polite and effective or it can be antagonistic and unproductive.

 

Usually it's the way things are done that get people's backs up. Not always but usually.

 

Though there are certainly plenty of examples of "antagonistic and unproductive" Roy I can tell you that backs can get up no matter how polite the issue is brought up, it's not a small %.

 

The best one I ever had was a dude that was trying to buy books out from under someone else's Want to Buy thread. I was sarcastic about it, but not rude. The guy sent me a PM saying he was sorry. Then thought better of it and sent me a PM telling me to go myself. It was awesome.

[GACollectibles]

If you want to sell in this community, adopt the community rules.

 

 

I agree and I think most people do.

The issue is when you try to politely point out a problem in a seller's thread and then all of his apologists jump in and dogpile you because you had the temerity to *gasp* point out the rules!!!! Heaven forfend.

 

(thumbs u Yes, participating in the "policing ourselves" manner can be a thrill a minute!! Not for the squeamish or faint of heart!!.

 

Policing can also be polite and effective or it can be antagonistic and unproductive.

 

Usually it's the way things are done that get people's backs up. Not always but usually.

 

Though there are certainly plenty of examples of "antagonistic and unproductive" Roy I can tell you that backs can get up no matter how polite the issue is brought up, it's not a small %.

 

The best one I ever had was a dude that was trying to buy books out from under someone else's Want to Buy thread. I was sarcastic about it, but not rude. The guy sent me a PM saying he was sorry. Then thought better of it and sent me a PM telling me to go myself. It was awesome.

 

 

(I had to quote your post to read what it said)

[kdoginohio]

If you want to sell in this community, adopt the community rules.

 

 

You will be assimilated. - BORG

 

 

 

[VintageComics]

 

Though there are certainly plenty of examples of "antagonistic and unproductive" Roy I can tell you that backs can get up no matter how polite the issue is brought up, it's not a small %.

 

Fair enough.

 

(thumbs u

[gaz973]

Maybe a good way to have a feedback system is if we had the ability to add references into our profile. That way if anyone wanted to check out how reputable a seller was, then they could check out how many board members would vouch for that seller.

[LordRahl]

Just to play devil's advocate here.......

 

I, for one, agree that sellers should offter money back guarantees but shouldn't that ultimately be up to the seller?

 

 

No. It should be completely up to the collective will of the boards. This board is not about individual seller's rights. It is about the community. If a seller won't play by the rules, then he should not be allowed to sell here. He can start his own website and do whatever he likes.

 

Somebody's hacked Dale's account!

 

Yup, in full agreement. If a seller wants to play in this sandpit, they have to abide by this sandpit's rules.

 

And as for Donut's point about the existing rules, I do understand that, but it all gets wrapped up in 'thread krapping' and 'poor form' and 'sweet books, keep it up'.

 

I could live with a simple rejig of the existing rules if...

 

(1) Returns had to be accepted on any items sold

(2) Sellers must have made 500 posts before they can sell

(3) If a rule has been broken in a sales thread...or a book is clearly overgraded...a comment can be made in that sales thread and the cheerleaders stay the hell out of it.

 

Nick,

 

I'm all for numbers 2 and 3. I've never really understood why it was taboo to mention that a sellers books look overgraded in their thread. I've seen plenty of VFs trying to be passed off as NM in sales threads here and no one says a thing. This practice should change if we want better grading on raw books.

 

I completely disagree with you and Dale on the mandated refunds. It's fine for raw books. I offer it on raw books. I've also refunded on CGC books even though I didn't agree with the buyer's position. However, this should in no way be mandated. We all pay CGC for a service. Restoration check and a neutral opinion on grade. IMO both of these things take away the two main reasons for returns. There is really only one thing left, buyers remorse. Whether it be buyers remorse because the book does not look to have "upgrade potential" in hand or just a case of over spending.

 

I think if these new rules are going to be put in play, they should be voted on first. I'm pretty sure that mandated refunds on CGC books will get voted down. Again, I'm all for mandated refunds on raw books.

[tortoise]

I don't like where this is going.

we have the P-list and HOS as an deterent for bad sellers/buyers, in effect i don't think we need approval from a commitee so we can pay for a badge in our sig.

 

maybe instead of a approved seller badge, we can get a community contribution badge, given to members that participate, and are willing to help new members.

Then we as buyers we will have the choice of buying from community contributors or strictly sellers

 

and we wouldn't even need to have a badge system if certain forums did not add to your post count

 

just my

[RockMyAmadeus]

 

This is starting to sound like my old GPA thread where people missed the point.

 

 

 

 

You found me.

 

 

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[Dick Pontoon]

So if understand everything correctly, the Sales Forum is a Bermuda Triangle lost in the Twilight Zone with unsavory characters at every turn. Three threads on Page 1 of General = Kvetching About the Sales Forum – it’s the new Thread About Pressing!

 

 

Disclaimer: In no way am I intending to make light of difficulties any fellow Forumites have had, nor do I wish to I imply I think the Sales Forums are perfect. Thank you.

 

[RockMyAmadeus]

There needs to be a Prop 65 warning for anyone who clicks in the marketplace...

 

(of course, this lame joke will not be understood by anyone, but I made it anyways. )

[Dick Pontoon]

Just to play devil's advocate here.......

 

I, for one, agree that sellers should offter money back guarantees but shouldn't that ultimately be up to the seller?

 

 

No. It should be completely up to the collective will of the boards. This board is not about individual seller's rights. It is about the community. If a seller won't play by the rules, then he should not be allowed to sell here. He can start his own website and do whatever he likes.

 

Somebody's hacked Dale's account!

 

Yup, in full agreement. If a seller wants to play in this sandpit, they have to abide by this sandpit's rules.

 

And as for Donut's point about the existing rules, I do understand that, but it all gets wrapped up in 'thread krapping' and 'poor form' and 'sweet books, keep it up'.

 

I could live with a simple rejig of the existing rules if...

 

(1) Returns had to be accepted on any items sold

(2) Sellers must have made 500 posts before they can sell

(3) If a rule has been broken in a sales thread...or a book is clearly overgraded...a comment can be made in that sales thread and the cheerleaders stay the hell out of it.

 

Nick,

 

I'm all for numbers 2 and 3. I've never really understood why it was taboo to mention that a sellers books look overgraded in their thread. I've seen plenty of VFs trying to be passed off as NM in sales threads here and no one says a thing. This practice should change if we want better grading on raw books.

 

 

Here’s one reason why it’s not a good idea: While someone like yourself, FT or many others are solid enough graders to do so, what’s to prevent Jose Jiminez who can’t grade his way out of a polypropylene bag from calling somebody out undeservedly?

[seanfingh]

Jose Jiminez

 

That's racist.

[GACollectibles]

[Chespirito]

Jose Jiminez

 

That's racist.

whatta heol...thats my dad's name..biggot!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

j/k

[LordRahl]

Just to play devil's advocate here.......

 

I, for one, agree that sellers should offter money back guarantees but shouldn't that ultimately be up to the seller?

 

 

No. It should be completely up to the collective will of the boards. This board is not about individual seller's rights. It is about the community. If a seller won't play by the rules, then he should not be allowed to sell here. He can start his own website and do whatever he likes.

 

Somebody's hacked Dale's account!

 

Yup, in full agreement. If a seller wants to play in this sandpit, they have to abide by this sandpit's rules.

 

And as for Donut's point about the existing rules, I do understand that, but it all gets wrapped up in 'thread krapping' and 'poor form' and 'sweet books, keep it up'.

 

I could live with a simple rejig of the existing rules if...

 

(1) Returns had to be accepted on any items sold

(2) Sellers must have made 500 posts before they can sell

(3) If a rule has been broken in a sales thread...or a book is clearly overgraded...a comment can be made in that sales thread and the cheerleaders stay the hell out of it.

 

Nick,

 

I'm all for numbers 2 and 3. I've never really understood why it was taboo to mention that a sellers books look overgraded in their thread. I've seen plenty of VFs trying to be passed off as NM in sales threads here and no one says a thing. This practice should change if we want better grading on raw books.

 

 

Here’s one reason why it’s not a good idea: While someone like yourself, FT or many others are solid enough graders to do so, what’s to prevent Jose Jiminez who can’t grade his way out of a polypropylene bag from calling somebody out undeservedly?

 

Valid point. How about a polite discussion pointing out that perhaps the grading is not up to current standards vs. a derision of their grading abilities? It could be a case of someone just re-entering the hobby and not knowing that standards have tightened up. They may even appreciate a heads up as to why their sales threads are tanking.

 

If it's rampant overgrading on a consistent basis, why not call them out on it. We call out over graders on Ebay, I don't see why we should give people a free pass here. As far as someone that undeservedly calls someone else out, this board is pretty good at filtering that type of stuff out.

[AtlasFan]

I think there's undue concern regarding a 'committee'. The committee certainly would not be grand-fathered in, but rather put in place by you, the boarders.

 

We could hold an election with all interested parties putting themselves forward and votes cast. That way there wouldn't be an 'elite' in charge, but rather, simple members put in place by the rank and file.

 

Sure, that's how Lenin & company got started...

 

And again, not being 'board approved' wouldn't stop you selling, but it would help buyers know the standards and ethical practices of those who are.

 

 

Seriously, you know as well as I do that electing a committee and expecting people to abide by their ruling is pure fantasy...just like socialists taking over the government...wait a minute...

 

[Dale Roberts]

Look, if you want feedback, go to ebay. If you want someone else controlling everything, go to ebay. If you want escrow, go to ebay.

 

The answer to this is exceedingly simple.

 

Returns must be accepted on any items sold through the boards, within a reasonable period of time.

 

If you feel the need to make a grading comment, do it only through PM, and if the seller doesn't relent, only then proceed to outing the book on the board.

 

Let the board police itself. It has done very well for the most part, and the return policy would make it as good as it can possibly be.

 

You will never make this system perfect, no matter how hard you try. Requiring a full refund policy is the best you can ever do.

[Foolkiller]

Look, if you want feedback, go to ebay. If you want someone else controlling everything, go to ebay. If you want escrow, go to ebay.

 

The answer to this is exceedingly simple.

 

Returns must be accepted on any items sold through the boards, within a reasonable period of time.

 

If you feel the need to make a grading comment, do it only through PM, and if the seller doesn't relent, only then proceed to outing the book on the board.

 

Let the board police itself. It has done very well for the most part, and the return policy would make it as good as it can possibly be.

 

You will never make this system perfect, no matter how hard you try. Requiring a full refund policy is the best you can ever do.

 

I completely agree with Dale.

[drbanner]

You will never make this system perfect, no matter how hard you try. Requiring a full refund policy is the best you can ever do.

 

After all this discussion, that's the best we can ever do? Requiring sellers to offer a full refund is going to solve the issues of thread-bumping, thread-crapping, over-grading, poor customer service, vulgar PM's, requiring "personal" paypal payments, and all else that ails the sales forum?

 

None of the recent wailing and wallowing and kvetching about the transgressions in the sales forum had anything to do with anyone's return policy...well, there was that one thread on someone not paying for return shipping on the return but I'm not opening that can of worms up again.

[MCMiles]

You will never make this system perfect, no matter how hard you try. Requiring a full refund policy is the best you can ever do.

 

After all this discussion, that's the best we can ever do? Requiring sellers to offer a full refund is going to solve the issues of thread-bumping, thread-crapping, over-grading, poor customer service, and all else that ails the sales forum?

 

None of the recent wailing and wallowing and kvetching about the transgressions in the sales forum had anything to do with anyone's return policy...well, there was that one thread on someone not paying for return shipping on the return but I'm not opening that can of worms up again.

 

Not one that posters best days.