Lichtenstein Comic Inspired Art Estimated at $35-45 Million 2 2

[delekkerste]

It was ALWAYS about legality...that was the point, if you take someone else's work, no matter how short a track, small an image, tiny a piece IT STILL BELONGS TO THEM. If you want to use it you give credit and you PAY.

 

You should be a DJ the way you spin.

 

 

"Top 40 Smash in the US" Maybe you can represent bands that get get their songs to crack the top 25.

 

And yes I am sure Queen was waiting by the phone to hear how they were doing in Argentina.

 

 

And you, my friend, should be a lawyer the way you have now reframed the argument to something completely beside its original intent.

[comix4fun]

It was ALWAYS about legality...that was the point, if you take someone else's work, no matter how short a track, small an image, tiny a piece IT STILL BELONGS TO THEM. If you want to use it you give credit and you PAY.

 

You should be a DJ the way you spin.

 

 

"Top 40 Smash in the US" Maybe you can represent bands that get get their songs to crack the top 25.

 

And yes I am sure Queen was waiting by the phone to hear how they were doing in Argentina.

 

 

And you should be a lawyer the way you are now obfuscating the intent of your analogy and my response to it.

 

 

The intent of my analogy never changed. 2-4 seconds of a song ripped and lifted = pay it and credit it. I know you aren't trying to say that hundred and hundreds of songs have been, and are, sampled every year, right?

 

I just checked Billboard's Top 100 for 1981..... Under Pressure doesn't appear at all.

 

http://longboredsurfer.com/charts/1981.php

 

Not so smashing..... it couldn't beat out Boz Scaggs and Andy Gibb's monstrous solo career.

 

Not trying to poop on your jam, but you are misremembering that song's initial impact and it's swell in popularity AFTER it was stolen.

[Bronty]

Well you are both right the song was not well known in the US - I never heard it until vanilla ice used it - but with it being a song by two such very well known talents and with that bassline being so distinctive it was always going to be recognizable to more than a few people

[pinupcartoonguy]

I've always wondered who the poor sap is who designed the Campbell soup can label and never received his due credit . . .

[comix4fun]

I've always wondered who the poor sap is who designed the Campbell soup can label and never received his due credit . . .

 

 

Sad...

 

 

Herberton L. Williams proposed the red and white label color scheme. He was treasurer, comptroller and assistant general manager of Campbell's at various times.

 

The -script of the label is said to look like that of Joseph Campbell’s own signature, that part may have come from there.

 

Campbell Soup Company received a medal at the Exposition Universelle de 1900 in Paris, that became the medal in the center of the label.

 

The printer probably put it all together. The first printer to produce the labels, Sinnickson Chew & Sons Company, has been credited with aiding in the overall design.

 

So there you have it, a collaboration under the loving warm blanket of trademark. <3

 

Since they had nothing to lose in the way Warhol used the designs (not used for porn or throwing poop at it, etc) they were probably popping champagne over the free advertising.

[delekkerste]

Not so smashing..... it couldn't beat out Boz Scaggs and Andy Gibb's monstrous solo career.

 

Not trying to poop on your jam, but you are misremembering that song's initial impact and it's swell in popularity AFTER it was stolen.

 

Next I suppose you're going to tell me that "Don't Stop Believin'" was forgotten before it appeared in "The Sopranos" series finale because it only made #73 on that list you linked. Like I said, you can't look at Billboard charts and Wikipedia alone to prove your point - "Under Pressure" was a rock radio staple from 1981 onwards, and would have easily made a 1981 countdown list based on airplay and listener requests at a rock radio station that did not include the likes of Olivia Newton-John and Andy Gibb in their rotation.

 

Many rock radio staples did not necessarily chart well (or even at all) when they were released, but were/are still immensely popular - I don't think "Stairway to Heaven" was even released as a single and I don't think any of the many memorable songs on "The Wall" aside from "Another Brick in the Wall" charted well, if at all, just to throw out a couple examples off the top of my head (though I'm sure there are dozens, if not hundreds, of other examples you could point to).

 

If you heard "Under Pressure" at any point between 1981 and 1986, you certainly didn't forget it by the time Vanilla Ice rolled around in 1989-90, especially not in the pre-information overload era of the 1980s. When "Ice Ice Baby" came out, I certainly wasn't scratching my head wondering where that sample came from and neither was anybody else I know.

 

In any case, the world is a better place for having "Ice Ice Baby" in it. Yeah, legally Vanilla Ice owed Queen royalties. So what? Did that make the song any less awesome? Everyone (except you and Dan, it seems ) knew where that riff was sampled from when the song came out - and we didn't care, because we weren't arguing a legal proceeding. Similarly, you can look at Lichtenstein as a lawyer or as a lover of art. I know which one I'd rather be. Though, I suspect you wouldn't be a fan of Lichtenstein's work even if those who illustrated the source material had been thoroughly credited and compensated, no?

[comix4fun]

Not so smashing..... it couldn't beat out Boz Scaggs and Andy Gibb's monstrous solo career.

 

Not trying to poop on your jam, but you are misremembering that song's initial impact and it's swell in popularity AFTER it was stolen.

 

Next I suppose you're going to tell me that "Don't Stop Believin'" was forgotten before it appeared in "The Sopranos" series finale because it only made #73 on that list you linked. :

 

 

No I wouldn't...."Don't Stop Believin' " made the list, "Under Pressure" didn't...revisionist puffery excepted.

[comix4fun]

In any case, the world is a better place for having "Ice Ice Baby" in it. Yeah, legally Vanilla Ice owed Queen royalties. So what? Did that make the song any less awesome?

 

 

I had a bet with KK that I could lure you into a discussion of the artistic merits of Vanilla Ice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I won.

[Bronty]

what can I say I never heard Queen until a little movie called Wayne's World.....

 

growing up I was more a 80s hair metal fan. I didn't branch out into having much of an appreciation for some of the classic bands of the preceding era like Led Zep and Queen until the early 90s, despite the fact that they are some of my favorite bands now.

[Bronty]

In any case, the world is a better place for having "Ice Ice Baby" in it. Yeah, legally Vanilla Ice owed Queen royalties. So what? Did that make the song any less awesome?

 

 

I had a bet with KK that I could lure you into a discussion of the artistic merits of Vanilla Ice.

 

I won.

 

[Bronty]

Not so smashing..... it couldn't beat out Boz Scaggs and Andy Gibb's monstrous solo career.

 

Not trying to poop on your jam, but you are misremembering that song's initial impact and it's swell in popularity AFTER it was stolen.

 

Next I suppose you're going to tell me that "Don't Stop Believin'" was forgotten before it appeared in "The Sopranos" series finale because it only made #73 on that list you linked. :

 

 

No I wouldn't...."Don't Stop Believin' " made the list, "Under Pressure" didn't...revisionist puffery excepted.

 

nah I dunno Chris... Mariah Carey has more #1 hits than anybody. If that doesn't prove Gene's point I dunno what does.

 

Making a new release list or not making a new release list doesn't matter in the long run if your songs catch on and create a cult following. Or if you are, at the time, two of the best known performers on Earth (Queen/DBowie). We can argue over whether the percentage of people who knew the riff was 10% of 90% but nontheless enough people for it to matter would have recognized it simply because of the people involved.

 

 

[delekkerste]

I had a bet with KK that I could lure you into a discussion of the artistic merits of Vanilla Ice.

 

 

I won.

 

I don't know about the rest of his repertoire, but "Ice Ice Baby" is fantastic...I sometimes find myself rhyming random lines from that song for absolutely no reason at all. It's like poetry, man.

[Bronty]

The girls are hot wearing less than bikinis (ummmm..... oops that slipped out)

 

Shay (sp?) with the guage and Vanilla with the nine (dammit! happened again!)

 

 

I dunno about artistry but that song has some guilty-pleasure nostalgia for me. My friend had a poster of Ice on his bedroom wall Which I remind him of every chance I get!!

[comix4fun]

Similarly, you can look at Lichtenstein as a lawyer or as a lover of art. I know which one I'd rather be. Though, I suspect you wouldn't be a fan of Lichtenstein's work even if those who illustrated the source material had been thoroughly credited and compensated, no?

 

 

 

I'd never be a fan of something that strikes me as unoriginal while people touting it bow before it as something so completely so.

 

I am even less a fan of it when there's an entire group of people attempting to elevate that work at the direct expense (and through direct insult) to the work without which the "new" piece would not exist.

 

I can't love art that can only be described and seems to always be defended as an elevation of what used to be garbage.

 

The hubris that is inherent in believing one person's art to be worthy and another unworthy simply because it was now touched by one of the Art-world Illuminati's "anointed" ones give me heartburn.

 

Frankly, there's a ton of group-think going on when it comes to several modern and contemporary art pieces and sometimes people nod their heads simply because everyone else is and it seems acceptance in that world might be more valuable than independent thought.

 

Ad for Roy, I don't mind his later work such as "Red Horseman"

[comix4fun]

Not so smashing..... it couldn't beat out Boz Scaggs and Andy Gibb's monstrous solo career.

 

Not trying to poop on your jam, but you are misremembering that song's initial impact and it's swell in popularity AFTER it was stolen.

 

Next I suppose you're going to tell me that "Don't Stop Believin'" was forgotten before it appeared in "The Sopranos" series finale because it only made #73 on that list you linked. :

 

 

No I wouldn't...."Don't Stop Believin' " made the list, "Under Pressure" didn't...revisionist puffery excepted.

 

nah I dunno Chris... Mariah Carey has more #1 hits than anybody. If that doesn't prove Gene's point I dunno what does.

 

 

 

Gene's point had little to do with mine. I touched a nerve, not knowing he had a Freddie Mercury shrine in his apartment.

[Bronty]

not that there's anything wrong with that!

 

[Bronty]

I'll let Freddie have the last word on this topic:

 

[Terry Doyle]

For what it's worth, one of my dogs seems to like Lichtenstein . . .

 

 

 

Something more palatable, I think . . .

[delekkerste]

[Mike Jackson]

Thanks. I will have to read through it.