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[PhilipB2k17]

On ‎9‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 9:06 PM, Lazyboy said:

Of course it's a first appearance, but it's certainly not considered a first full appearance.

This isn't the first "full" appearance of Wolverine, even though he's literally naming himself in the panel. 

[AGGIEZ]

18 minutes ago, PhilipB2k17 said:

This isn't the first "full" appearance of Wolverine, even though he's literally naming himself in the panel. 

NOPE

That's like watching a scrambled 80's Cinemax movie and claiming you saw the whole thing...or so I've heard. 

Edited September 14, 2018 by AGGIEZ

[Second Blight]

26 minutes ago, PhilipB2k17 said:

This isn't the first "full" appearance of Wolverine, even though he's literally naming himself in the panel. 

1st appearance. Can't argue with facts, even though you ladies like to.

[PhilipB2k17]

11 minutes ago, ComicCollectorMatt said:

1st appearance. Can't argue with facts, even though you ladies like to.

I'm not arguing with you. I agree that Hulk #180 is Wolvy's FIRST Appearance, not #181. I had a big argument on these boards a couple years ago about it. But, the Market has decided it's not. Just like the market decided that fantastic Four #48 was the first appearance of Galactus.

[500Club]

10 minutes ago, PhilipB2k17 said:

I'm not arguing with you. I agree that Hulk #180 is Wolvy's FIRST Appearance, not #181. I had a big argument on these boards a couple years ago about it. But, the Market has decided it's not. Just like the market decided that fantastic Four #48 was the first appearance of Galactus.

The market hasn't decided IH 180 isn't Wolverine's first appearance.   It has decided the most important and collectible issue of Wolverine's introduction is 181.

[PhilipB2k17]

Just now, 500Club said:

The market hasn't decided IH 180 isn't Wolverine's first appearance.   It has decided the most important and collectible issue of Wolverine's introduction is 181.

Which is based entirely on the historical nonsense that it was his first overall appearance, and kept that value up due to momentum, mostly. It's an historical anomaly. 

[Broke as a Joke]

1 minute ago, PhilipB2k17 said:

Which is based entirely on the historical nonsense that it was his first overall appearance, and kept that value up due to momentum, mostly. It's an historical anomaly. 

Not sure what this "historical nonsense" is you're talking about, but Hulk 180 has always been regarded as first Wolverine.  Even 4-5 years after he made his debut 180 was priced higher than 181.  Over time people have went with the first full and cover appearance to spend their money on.  It hasn't looked back since.

[500Club]

11 minutes ago, PhilipB2k17 said:

13 minutes ago, 500Club said:

The market hasn't decided IH 180 isn't Wolverine's first appearance.   It has decided the most important and collectible issue of Wolverine's introduction is 181.

Which is based entirely on the historical nonsense that it was his first overall appearance, and kept that value up due to momentum, mostly. It's an historical anomaly. 

No, it's not.  This hobby arose on the back of interest in reading about these characters, so it's no surprise, that, pre internet and tpb, collectors chose to buy a full issue of Wolverine being introduced, rather than a single panel end of issue appearance.  The anomalies are the occasional brief appearances that have been anointed 'most important and collectible' for that character.

There's never been any illusion that Wolverine didn't appear in 180, or hobby ignorance of the fact.

[Lazyboy]

1 hour ago, PhilipB2k17 said:

This isn't the first "full" appearance of Wolverine, even though he's literally naming himself in the panel. 

Correct. It's only one panel.

Did you have some point you were trying to make?

[JcomicJ]

3 hours ago, Lazyboy said:

Correct. It's only one panel.

Did you have some point you were trying to make?

that's what a appearance is though is it not?

[divad]

2 hours ago, JcomicJ said:

that's what an appearance is though is it not?

Yes, Grasshopper.

[Lazyboy]

3 hours ago, JcomicJ said:

7 hours ago, Lazyboy said:

Correct. It's only one panel.

Did you have some point you were trying to make?

that's what a appearance is though is it not?

Yes, it is a brief appearance. It is absolutely not a full appearance.

[divad]

 

42 minutes ago, Lazyboy said:

Yes, it is a brief appearance. It is absolutely not a full appearance.

Yes, but it is a first appearance.

Edited September 15, 2018 by divad

[Brock]

Nothing quite captures the full allure of the CGC boards experience like having a passive aggressive argument about first appearances three or four times a a day...

[Lazyboy]

11 hours ago, divad said:

11 hours ago, Lazyboy said:

Yes, it is a brief appearance. It is absolutely not a full appearance.

Yes, but it is a first appearance.

 

19 hours ago, Lazyboy said:

21 hours ago, PhilipB2k17 said:

This isn't the first "full" appearance of Wolverine, even though he's literally naming himself in the panel.

Correct. It's only one panel.

Did you have some point you were trying to make? 

 

[Jaydogrules]

People really need to stop crying about why 180 is worth such a small fraction compared to 181. It wouldn't even be worth that if it wasn't for 181.  Everybody knows there's a meaningless, throw away one panel teaser cameo at the end of 180, and nobody would otherwise care if it were not for 181.  Hulk 180 is a poor man's 181 and that's all it will ever be.

-J.

Edited September 15, 2018 by Jaydogrules

[divad]

1 hour ago, Jaydogrules said:

People really need to stop crying about why 180 is worth such a small fraction compared to 181. It wouldn't even be worth that if it wasn't for 181.  Everybody knows there's a meaningless, throw away one panel teaser cameo at the end of 180, and nobody would otherwise care if it were not for 181.  Hulk 180 is a poor man's 181 and that's all it will ever be.

-J.

Nobody's crying Jay, only those that are buying over-priced modern variants . . . by the Italian "artist of the week." 

 

[PhilipB2k17]

19 hours ago, Jaydogrules said:

People really need to stop crying about why 180 is worth such a small fraction compared to 181. It wouldn't even be worth that if it wasn't for 181.  Everybody knows there's a meaningless, throw away one panel teaser cameo at the end of 180, and nobody would otherwise care if it were not for 181.  Hulk 180 is a poor man's 181 and that's all it will ever be.

-J.

Yes. That’s the rationalization to explain the historical anomaly of why the second appearance of a character in a totally meaningless story is worth more than the first appearance. Especially in an era when nobody buys 181 in order to read it.  I’ll grant you that the cover to 181 is cool, though. 

 

[PhilipB2k17]

On 9/14/2018 at 4:43 PM, 500Club said:

The market hasn't decided IH 180 isn't Wolverine's first appearance.   It has decided the most important and collectible issue of Wolverine's introduction is 181.

Yes. Because it was falsely labelled as his 1st appearance for years, became a classic Key, and now everyone is retroactively rationalizing why. Your explanation is one of several. It used to be “first Full vs First cameo” etc. Rules that were literally invented to explain the 180 vs 181 discrepancy.

Edited September 16, 2018 by PhilipB2k17

[PhilipB2k17]

On 9/14/2018 at 4:48 PM, Broke as a Joke said:

Not sure what this "historical nonsense" is you're talking about, but Hulk 180 has always been regarded as first Wolverine.  Even 4-5 years after he made his debut 180 was priced higher than 181.  Over time people have went with the first full and cover appearance to spend their money on.  It hasn't looked back since.

Not True at all. Go and look at old Overstreet guides.